TWG XXI Postgame

[talisman]

Afro that's not true at all. While tass didn't and in fact COULD'NT state all his logic it probably came down to this: he knows that himelf, ld, and jurs were human. He knows that guido and chardish have strong evidence showing that they're human. That left you, mead, blah, and omega.

What you don't know is that I sent tass a convo I had with blah before I died in which we both agreed that we thought jurs was a blue. Jurs didn't die, and she would have if blah were a wolf (and blah didn't know I would be forwarding the convo). That basically left you, omega, and mead, so you had no chance in the end anyway.

@jurs: thank god the wolves didn't notice but you were obvious as HELL. Like, damn. As soon as we knew the guardian was still alive I went back and read people's responses to kilga getting wolfed. Yours stuck out so hard it wasn't even funny.

@tass: I think we had a convo about this during the night I was killed where I explained to you why I thought jurs was the guardian and I mentioned how you refer to the blue roles in your big lists. The wolves weren't smart enough this time to back and compare your lists with the other times you've been the center of an alliance but you definitely do have a distinctive way of referring to them. Sort of a just enough suspicion but not enough to get them in jeopardy of being lynched or a casual mention of "could go either way" or something like that. You probably ought to watch that in the future.

Plus it's easy to tell based on who you don't attack. I figured either ld or chardish had to be the psychic when I died (only because after you attacked chardish you backed off really quick, it seemed like it could have been faked), and lo and behold, it was ld.

@kilga: sorry for sending you all that shit but you know, I wanted the alliance to have the info.

@fish, the cookie is tasty ^_^

[FishFishRevolution]

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Then fish slips up to Chardish and its GG.

There was no slip up, anyone could've been insta'd. I never said "OH THE GAME IS OVER IF MEAD IS KILLED" either. Chardish thought the game was over, and I was seeing if day was even over. I just said "is there an insta?" Chardish read out of it what was actually the truth, but I stand firm in the fact that it remained ambiguous.

EDIT:

on my end it was

Chardish: *sigh* Game has ended.
FishFish: is there an insta?
Chardish: Mead dies today.

[GuidoHunter]

By the way, good call on the "Guido could have faked that convo, but that's more of an ap/alain move." I tried faking an entire conversation with LD a long time ago and failed miserably. It was such a daunting task that I gave up. As much as I love seeing fake convos, creating one from scratch just wasn't my bag. I understand that the question was whether or not I had collaborated with Tps, but still.

I was really worried that I was going to get wrongfully lynched for a while there.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

oh sanp

bjstrattonIM: Why were you not permitted by rule to say why you thought mead was the last wolf? o_O
Auto response from This Is Chardish: just got splash beats!

This Is Chardish: The evidence:
This Is Chardish: [22:41] Evan: *sigh* Game has ended.
[22:41] Evan: Mead dies today.
[22:41] FishFish: is there an insta?
This Is Chardish: My comment: "Mead is going to die today so the game is good as over."
This Is Chardish: I gauged Fish's reaction to be a slip-up.
bjstrattonIM: Guess he's not hosting ever again.
This Is Chardish: Hahaha, why? It's game over?
bjstrattonIM: Did he actually tell you that mead was the last wolf?
This Is Chardish: No
bjstrattonIM: Then what was the slip-up?
bjstrattonIM: I don't see anything wrong with what he said.
This Is Chardish: [22:41] Evan: *sigh* Game has ended.
[22:41] Evan: Mead dies today.
[22:41] FishFish: is there an insta?
bjstrattonIM: Yeah.
bjstrattonIM: What's wrong for asking if there's an insta?
This Is Chardish: Because it's implying: "I take it there's an insta then, otherwise you wouldn't be saying this?"
bjstrattonIM: So basically you wheedled info out of the host?
This Is Chardish: No.
This Is Chardish: That was the first thing I said.
bjstrattonIM: Then why did you tell him that the game was over since mead was going to die?
This Is Chardish: Because I was 90% confident Mead was the last wolf.
bjstrattonIM: But what's the point of telling him?
bjstrattonIM: He knows 100% for sure whether the lynch will end the game or not.
This Is Chardish: Why does anyone talk to the host? To brag about what they know
bjstrattonIM: I guess this situation shows that such needs to be put to a stop.
This Is Chardish: Not really
This Is Chardish: Mead was going to die anyway
This Is Chardish: 3 votes on him, I think 1 was the most anyone else had
bjstrattonIM: It's stil the host slipping up.
bjstrattonIM: Or you wheedling info out of him.
bjstrattonIM: Either way, it's bad.

[FishFishRevolution]

No matter who had been up for lynching/insta for any day, no matter who anyone thought was the last wolf and when the game would end, it's still the first reason anyone IMs the host: to inform of an insta.

Had it been anyone else, and had Chardish said "game over" I would've still asked if there had been an insta.

OH and he didn't mention mead, or I didn't see he had mentioned ANYONE until after I asked if there had been an isnta.

Me: "Game is over."
Ideal host: "*reads thread*"
Ideal host: "No, it's not."

[Afrobean]

There was no evidence against me, Tass. Stop making it sound like Talisman gave you some sort of masterful insight. He was playing by gut. Plain and simple. He said he was suspicious of me for WHEN I said things in the chat. Yea, that makes a whole lot of sense.

PS Tass you're stupid for being so sure about mead. He'd played flawlessly as human the WHOLE GAME. He even put in an early vote for me when I was FAR from being lynched. Wolves never do that that late in the game just in case that happens.

[GuidoHunter]

Process of elimination is damn good evidence, Afro. And pretty much anything talisman said this game is also damn good evidence.

This is how the game is played.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

Afro, that was half of my reason against mead... that he HAD flown so under the radar. He wasn't being helpful at all. Wasn't trying to help find a wolf. He was being less than mead, he was being "dead".

Not to mention it was Blah or Mead at that point. It was 50/50, and there were alot of reasons why Blah couldn't be it. So Mead got the nod. Blah was likely getting vigi'd that night if mead wasn't the final wolf.

Stop trying to make it out like I'm an idiot. I'm not. The fact that EVERY time I'm at the center of an alliance my team wins should be reason enough. Not one game where I've been the center of an alliance has my team lost. TWG 2, 3, 5, 14, 15, 17, 21. The only game I was human and won where I wasn't the center of an alliance... twg19 (at least, I don't think so. I forget). The point being... when I'm NOT at the center of an alliance and NOT a wolf, the humans lose. Whether that is because of me or not, I don't know. That is merely what the facts say.

[Afrobean]

By the way (long convo that skews toward MS and stuff by the end):

*Just after the thread was updated with my lynch and eb's wolfing*
evilbutterfly87 (7:48:08 PM): wolf?
Afrobean16 (7:48:13 PM): ya
Afrobean16 (7:48:16 PM): didn't you hear?
evilbutterfly87 (7:48:18 PM): wtf
Afrobean16 (7:48:33 PM): I'm just too good at being a wolf
evilbutterfly87 (7:48:43 PM): you shouldn't have killed me
Afrobean16 (7:48:49 PM): yea I know
Afrobean16 (7:48:54 PM): we were working on another plan
Afrobean16 (7:48:58 PM): I didn't expect to die
Afrobean16 (7:49:09 PM): and when I did, I couldn't be like "oh mead don't kill eb"
evilbutterfly87 (7:49:14 PM): *shrug* I guess we just didn't talk
Afrobean16 (7:49:23 PM): yea
evilbutterfly87 (7:49:24 PM): evilbutterfly87 (7:48:41 PM): Had to? No, they would have lynched me, idiot
Fhqwhgads703 (7:48:53 PM): No, no thay wouldn't of
Afrobean16 (7:49:33 PM): haha
evilbutterfly87 (7:49:50 PM): haha, he thought I was blue
Afrobean16 (7:49:53 PM): Actually, it was either you or me
Afrobean16 (7:49:59 PM): dude
Afrobean16 (7:50:07 PM): did you tell him you weren't?
evilbutterfly87 (7:50:23 PM): Nope.
Afrobean16 (7:50:27 PM): ok good
evilbutterfly87 (7:50:30 PM): I'm just telling him he's stupid for killing me.
evilbutterfly87 (7:50:33 PM): Because they would have lynched me.
Afrobean16 (7:50:35 PM): haha yea
Afrobean16 (7:50:46 PM): thats ok though
Afrobean16 (7:50:55 PM): as long as mead gets the alliance broke up, he can win
Afrobean16 (7:51:13 PM): I looked at the list and ID'd all of the alliance
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:21 PM): as long as he's still an inactive newb
Afrobean16 (7:51:21 PM): hopefully mead can as well
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:31 PM): was talis the guard?
Afrobean16 (7:51:35 PM): nope
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:39 PM): wait
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:43 PM): boris?
Afrobean16 (7:51:45 PM): nope
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:47 PM): wait he's dead
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:51 PM): I forget who is left
evilbutterfly87 (7:51:56 PM): not Jurs
Afrobean16 (7:51:59 PM): yea
evilbutterfly87 (7:52:00 PM): because she's too yelly
Afrobean16 (7:52:01 PM): she's blue
evilbutterfly87 (7:52:05 PM): she's stupid
Afrobean16 (7:52:09 PM): ya i know
Afrobean16 (7:52:17 PM): but tass would stop her from getting lynched
Afrobean16 (7:52:33 PM): which is why I was sure that omega was blue
Afrobean16 (7:52:37 PM): but turns out he's not either
Afrobean16 (7:52:43 PM): Tass is just an idiot
Afrobean16 (7:52:50 PM): and defending someone acting REALLY ASS weird
evilbutterfly87 (7:53:02 PM): "I can see you all as being wolves."
evilbutterfly87 (7:53:09 PM): Neither you nor mead has done anything
Afrobean16 (7:53:13 PM): exactly
Afrobean16 (7:53:19 PM): worst I did was the rollover
Afrobean16 (7:53:23 PM): and even a green would do that
evilbutterfly87 (7:53:26 PM): and I did that too XD
evilbutterfly87 (7:53:31 PM): for less good reasons
Afrobean16 (7:53:34 PM): if they truthfully believed in the person being a wolf
evilbutterfly87 (7:54:36 PM): I didn't think ap was a wolf
evilbutterfly87 (7:54:37 PM): never did
evilbutterfly87 (7:54:44 PM): I just love seeing him go off on people
Afrobean16 (7:54:53 PM): me either
evilbutterfly87 (7:55:02 PM): well duh
Afrobean16 (7:55:05 PM): also, i talked to fish about my death
Afrobean16 (7:55:10 PM): I said the same as you
evilbutterfly87 (7:55:14 PM): yeah, seriously
Afrobean16 (7:55:22 PM): he did it for the double KO joke though
evilbutterfly87 (7:55:25 PM): before I scrolled down I was like "shit, he's a wolf!?"
Afrobean16 (7:55:49 PM): yea I'm surprised how effective I've gotten at being a wolf
Afrobean16 (7:56:00 PM): it's too bad Talisman was suspicious of me for no reason
Afrobean16 (7:56:20 PM): because talis obviously told tass to kill me
evilbutterfly87 (7:56:32 PM): I told Tass to tell me who he bet on
Afrobean16 (7:56:39 PM): he did
evilbutterfly87 (7:56:42 PM): that got you lynched
evilbutterfly87 (7:56:43 PM): w00t
Afrobean16 (7:56:48 PM): haha it was luck though
Afrobean16 (7:57:20 PM): I can't wait til postgame to yell at everyone for lynching with no evidence
Afrobean16 (7:57:32 PM): ap, myself, I'm sure there were others
evilbutterfly87 (7:58:05 PM): Well the first 2 days are always the most active and useful
Afrobean16 (7:58:09 PM): wtf
Afrobean16 (7:58:11 PM): tass voted mead
Afrobean16 (7:58:15 PM): wtf is wrong with him
evilbutterfly87 (7:58:35 PM): and we got a seered wolf and then another almost guaranteed wolf thrown at us
evilbutterfly87 (7:58:43 PM): and everybody was just like "lol k"
Afrobean16 (7:58:51 PM): this is bullshit
Afrobean16 (7:58:56 PM): mead has done NOTHING
Afrobean16 (7:59:02 PM): he put a VERY early vote on me
Afrobean16 (7:59:10 PM): when I wasn't even near dying
evilbutterfly87 (7:59:22 PM): rofl
Afrobean16 (7:59:34 PM): there is NO WAY a wolf would do that to his comrade
Afrobean16 (7:59:42 PM): which is exactly why I made him do that
Afrobean16 (8:00:31 PM): jesus I want to go apeshit on tass right now
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:34 PM): What you fail to realize: "there is NO WAY a wolf would do that to his comrade" is a moot point
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:46 PM): I don't want to play TWG anymore.
Afrobean16 (8:00:50 PM): me either
Afrobean16 (8:00:56 PM): it's gotten stupid
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:01 PM): Now that I can't even tell what you are
Afrobean16 (8:01:06 PM): maybe a few here and there but it's messed up now
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:12 PM): and I know you better than any other FFRer
Afrobean16 (8:01:15 PM): exactly
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:22 PM): our thinking has gotten so ridiculously complex
Afrobean16 (8:01:25 PM): and when wolves will get lynched with no reason
Afrobean16 (8:01:33 PM): and the humans rely on luck alone
Afrobean16 (8:01:50 PM): dude the reverse psych levels we were working in were at 5+
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:53 PM): And you KNOW Tass is gonna brag about this
Afrobean16 (8:02:00 PM): brag about luck?
evilbutterfly87 (8:02:00 PM): And you KNOW I'm gonna sit out.
Afrobean16 (8:02:01 PM): ok
evilbutterfly87 (8:02:05 PM): OF COURSE
Afrobean16 (8:02:12 PM): tps was stupid
evilbutterfly87 (8:02:14 PM): HE BRAGS ABOUT BEING BANNED
Afrobean16 (8:02:15 PM): he deserved that
Afrobean16 (8:02:20 PM): hans got some bad luck
evilbutterfly87 (8:02:25 PM): AND THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DID
Afrobean16 (8:02:30 PM): talis got lucky about me
evilbutterfly87 (8:02:32 PM): There is something in his sig that I did.....
Afrobean16 (8:02:34 PM): and Tass is a retard
Afrobean16 (8:02:51 PM): what did you do in his sig?
Afrobean16 (8:04:14 PM): ok so I'm kinda really pissed
Afrobean16 (8:04:18 PM): so I'm gonna call it a night
evilbutterfly87 (8:04:27 PM): lemme look at his sig so I remember
evilbutterfly87 (8:05:01 PM): 17: Peg Whorli night 1. Get wolves day 2/3. Ends RL together
18: Ban = I'm too good

Afrobean16 (8:05:13 PM): 17 was a joke
evilbutterfly87 (8:05:24 PM): HE DIDNT KNOW I WAS A WOLF
Afrobean16 (8:05:27 PM): that was only a human victory because of his pegging whorli
evilbutterfly87 (8:05:28 PM): I WAS PISSED ABOUT THE UNFAIRNESS
evilbutterfly87 (8:05:36 PM): AND I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO WILL SPEAK UP AND DO ANYTHING
Afrobean16 (8:05:44 PM): hay
evilbutterfly87 (8:05:44 PM): He didn't get banned for being too good
Afrobean16 (8:05:48 PM): I would have talked too
Afrobean16 (8:05:51 PM): if I had been in that game
evilbutterfly87 (8:05:51 PM): He got banned for being an idiot
Afrobean16 (8:06:04 PM): ok anyway, I gotta go
Afrobean16 (8:06:09 PM): I think I'm missing simpsons
evilbutterfly87 (8:06:21 PM): kthxg'night
evilbutterfly87 (8:06:22 PM):
Afrobean16 (8:07:00 PM): byes
evilbutterfly87 (9:16:15 PM): I'ma post our convo in the postgame
Afrobean16 (9:16:23 PM): k
evilbutterfly87 (9:16:31 PM): Basically to say that I'm leaving TWG for a while
Afrobean16 (9:16:38 PM): throw some empty [b] tags on there for me too plz
evilbutterfly87 (9:16:45 PM): o_O
evilbutterfly87 (9:16:48 PM): OH I KNOW
evilbutterfly87 (9:16:50 PM): LET US PLAN IT
evilbutterfly87 (9:16:53 PM): AND POST THE SAME CONVO
Afrobean16 (9:16:54 PM): I cursed numerous times
evilbutterfly87 (9:17:05 PM): LIKE, AT THE SAME EXACT TIME
Afrobean16 (9:17:38 PM): k
evilbutterfly87 (9:18:03 PM): evilbutterfly87 (8:00:31 PM): I don't want to play TWG anymore.
Afrobean16 (8:00:35 PM): me either
Afrobean16 (8:00:41 PM): it's gotten stupid
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:46 PM): Now that I can't even tell what you are
Afrobean16 (8:00:52 PM): maybe a few here and there but it's messed up now
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:57 PM): and I know you better than any other FFRer
Afrobean16 (8:01:00 PM): exactly
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:07 PM): our thinking has gotten so ridiculously complex
Afrobean16 (8:01:11 PM): and when wolves will get lynched with no reason
Afrobean16 (8:01:18 PM): and the humans rely on luck alone
Afrobean16 (8:01:35 PM): dude the reverse psych levels we were working in were at 5+
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:38 PM): And you KNOW Tass is gonna brag about this
Afrobean16 (8:01:45 PM): brag about luck?
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:45 PM): And you KNOW I'm gonna sit out.
Afrobean16 (8:01:46 PM): ok
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:51 PM): OF COURSE
Afrobean16 (8:01:57 PM): tps was stupid
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:59 PM): HE BRAGS ABOUT BEING BANNED
Afrobean16 (8:02:00 PM): he deserved that
Afrobean16 (8:02:05 PM): hans got some bad luck
evilbutterfly87 (8:02:10 PM): AND THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DID

^^^edit that to get rid of game talk^^^
evilbutterfly87 (9:18:11 PM): I wrote that in a .txt file on my desktop XD
Afrobean16 (9:19:47 PM): I'll just post the whole thing
evilbutterfly87 (9:19:57 PM): Just send it to me first
evilbutterfly87 (9:20:00 PM): so I can bold that part
Afrobean16 (9:20:27 PM): k w/e
Afrobean16 (9:20:32 PM): remind me or something
evilbutterfly87 (9:20:59 PM): hokay
Afrobean16 (9:21:50 PM): did you see tass and mead's convo?
evilbutterfly87 (9:21:57 PM): I haven't cared much, honestly
Afrobean16 (9:22:05 PM): if Tass wasn't so suredly human, I'd say he was red
evilbutterfly87 (9:22:10 PM): XD
evilbutterfly87 (9:22:13 PM): oh
evilbutterfly87 (9:22:17 PM): "you're all wolves, I say!"?
Afrobean16 (9:22:21 PM): think back to when I was a wolf
Afrobean16 (9:22:24 PM): and I attacked tass
Afrobean16 (9:22:31 PM): he's acting the EXACT same way
evilbutterfly87 (9:22:43 PM): but he's Tass, he can shit on a platter and everyone would eat it
Afrobean16 (9:22:51 PM): of course
evilbutterfly87 (9:22:53 PM): ooooooh, post that in the postgame, too XD
Afrobean16 (9:23:06 PM): I'm logging this whole thing
Afrobean16 (9:23:15 PM): I'll be able to pick out stuff to post later
evilbutterfly87 (9:23:23 PM): w0000000t
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Afrobean16 (9:59:08 PM): lolz google ftw
evilbutterfly87 (9:59:26 PM): XDDDDDDDDDD
evilbutterfly87 (9:59:43 PM): maybe you should include random stuff like that in our posted convo?
Afrobean16 (10:00:16 PM): sure I'll post all of it or something
evilbutterfly87 (10:00:25 PM): So I got drunk with Mom and Adele last night.
evilbutterfly87 (10:00:50 PM): Well, I wasn't drunk, I was tipsy
evilbutterfly87 (10:00:53 PM): I only had 4 shots XD
Afrobean16 (10:01:05 PM): ha
evilbutterfly87 (10:06:34 PM): My BAC last night about .08
evilbutterfly87 (10:06:40 PM): according to this BAC calculator
Afrobean16 (10:06:42 PM): BAC?
Afrobean16 (10:06:53 PM): blood alcohol?
evilbutterfly87 (10:06:55 PM): yeah
Afrobean16 (10:07:09 PM): .08 is the legal limit or something I think
evilbutterfly87 (10:07:25 PM): yeah, I was almost there
evilbutterfly87 wants to directly connect (10:12:28 PM).
evilbutterfly87 is now directly connected (10:12:28 PM).
evilbutterfly87 (10:12:42 PM):
Afrobean16 (10:13:07 PM): wow
Afrobean16 (10:13:12 PM): how did that happen?
evilbutterfly87 (10:13:16 PM): I do not know
Afrobean16 (10:13:19 PM): awesome
evilbutterfly87 (10:13:24 PM): I am posting it on FFR
Afrobean16 (10:13:35 PM): what else would you do with such an image
Afrobean16 (10:13:43 PM): however at least one person will accuse it of being fake
evilbutterfly87 (10:14:11 PM): It's going in Chit-Chat
Afrobean16 (10:14:22 PM): awww I wanted to make some sort of stupid quip
Afrobean16 (10:14:40 PM): I suppose I'll have to actually use my brain if I'm gonna reply to said posting
evilbutterfly87 (10:14:44 PM): It will get moved
evilbutterfly87 (10:14:48 PM): I just want more views
Afrobean16 (10:14:55 PM): o
Afrobean16 (10:14:59 PM): I'll wait then
evilbutterfly87 (10:17:14 PM): whoa
evilbutterfly87 (10:17:17 PM): nice avatar =-O
evilbutterfly87 (10:17:25 PM): EXCEPT YOU STILL HAVE THE BLUE NOELS
Afrobean16 (10:17:38 PM): haha I forgot I changed my av
Afrobean16 (10:17:46 PM): at first I'm like "wtf blue noels"?
evilbutterfly87 (10:18:02 PM): Do the friggin JQ, dude
Afrobean16 (10:18:05 PM): I can't
evilbutterfly87 (10:18:06 PM): I will do it with you
evilbutterfly87 (10:18:13 PM): How far do you get?
Afrobean16 (10:18:17 PM): not far at all
Afrobean16 (10:18:23 PM): I don't recall exactly
evilbutterfly87 (10:18:50 PM): I AM GETTING THE BG FROM JEWPIN
evilbutterfly87 (10:18:54 PM): OH MY GOODNESS
Afrobean16 (10:19:01 PM): ok lemme have it once you get it
evilbutterfly87 (10:20:14 PM): 1678 k
Afrobean16 (10:20:21 PM): cool
evilbutterfly87 (10:20:59 PM): Skaskate2 (10:20:10 PM): it's just tooo intense
Skaskate2 (10:20:19 PM): my computer cant handle it
evilbutterfly87 (10:21:03 PM): Skaskate2 (10:20:31 PM): neither could qreepy's. Now qreepy is dead
Afrobean16 (10:21:11 PM): ha
Afrobean16 (10:21:15 PM): did you get it yet?
evilbutterfly87 (10:21:27 PM): It's like, 1.5mb
evilbutterfly87 (10:21:30 PM): still sending O_O
Afrobean16 (10:21:38 PM): haha
Afrobean16 (10:21:44 PM): your connection sucks butt
evilbutterfly87 (10:21:52 PM): 8 kb/sec wtf
evilbutterfly87 (10:22:30 PM): that's slow aint it
Afrobean16 (10:23:08 PM): oh ya
Afrobean16 (10:23:11 PM): jewp has AOL
Afrobean16 (10:23:13 PM): haha
evilbutterfly87 (10:23:28 PM): =-O
Afrobean16 (10:24:02 PM): ok MS time
Afrobean16 (10:24:07 PM): at least until I go to sleep
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PS I didn't feel like weeding out whatever is relevent.

PPS Sure, process of elimination is good, but I'd say that there were at least 3 people more wolfy than myself and mead. Hell, I didn't actually think my team would win after Tps decided to be stupid (I was still hoping and trying of course), but it is sort of retarded that people who were more wolfy than myself and mead didn't get lynched before.

EDIT: Tass, I like how the wording of your new sig implies that you didn't really think I was a wolf, but you pushed for me anyway.

Originally Posted by afro

POSTGAME BITTERNESS

[Afrobean]

Hay, how would you feel if you played a flawless game, but then got lynched for nothing you did, then your team lost simply because we'd already lost two comrades (one was from luck, but I'll admit that Tps did deserve his lynch)?

[GuidoHunter]

I maintain that only Jursey was wolfy toward the end of the game. I wasn't wolfy, Tass wasn't, LD wasn't, Omega wasn't, blah was but that was quickly cleared up, eb was much less wolfy after a while, so that left you, mead, and Jurs. I didn't think mead was at all, and I give props to him for that, but since you could have gone either way, I was willing to help Tass out since he had a much more limited suspect pool. I was leaning toward human with you, but was willing to take the risk. We had time to spare, and I was fine with using it. After you got lynched and eb was wolfed, mead and Jurs were the only two to stick out. I voted Jursey because I believed she was a wolf, but when chardish came out, I was willing to trust him, too. Remember, we had much time to spare. You shouldn't be complaining like you are, Afro.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Afrobean]

I totally accept that after a certain point, the game was completely unwinnable. I just think it's messed up that myself and mead got lynched without any strong reason when there were strong reasons for why others were wolves.

Well, a lot stronger than any reason for myself or mead to be a wolf.

Especially mead.

[mead1]

I have a few bitter and hateful words, but I'll keep them to myself, and just say this:

GG Tass

Just an FYI guys, if Next game I'm active, or even helpful, don't lynch me day 1 because I'm acting different. I would really like to become a more valuable member of this game, and since my name currently comes with a tag of inactivity and stupidity, I'm a bit afraid it might get me killed.

[evilbutterfly]

Because you're not gonna read the whole convo, here's the important part for me:

evilbutterfly87 (8:00:31 PM): I don't want to play TWG anymore.
Afrobean16 (8:00:35 PM): me either
Afrobean16 (8:00:41 PM): it's gotten stupid
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:46 PM): Now that I can't even tell what you are
Afrobean16 (8:00:52 PM): maybe a few here and there but it's messed up now
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:57 PM): and I know you better than any other FFRer
Afrobean16 (8:01:00 PM): exactly
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:07 PM): our thinking has gotten so ridiculously complex

I'm not helpful, and it's gotten so...routine. I'd rather go back to jTWG and own some bitches.

PS: You know how I pretty much got Tass banned before? And he only got unbanned because he promised to get better? Is it just me, or has he gotten worse? (read: Fuck you Tass. Fuck you and your stupid sig. Some of those aren't even your doing, others are luck, and some are just plain stupid.)

[GuidoHunter]

Afro, did you read my posts? What was the strong evidence for other people. Like I said, the only person on whom I had anything was Jursey.

chardish wasn't able to post "strong" evidence against mead, though we all accepted it to be. You probably would have, too.

It's not "messed up" that y'all got lynched when you did. We look for the most convincing evidence for each person. In Hans's case, it pretty much proved he was a wolf, but most of the time we just have to go for whomever looks the least human. Rarely do we have enough evidence to conclude that someone was a wolf.

Plus, there was certainly behind-the-scenes evidence that you never saw.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[talisman]

afro and mead you had no chance... yes you blended in and stuff but that's not the point. Other people had concrete things showing that they were human and you guys didn't.

Once you lose two wolves in two days and facing an alliance you're hopeless. It didn't help that you couldn't spot the blues.

Mead, I applaud your late effort in voting afro early, but it didn't matter because like tass said, it was either you or blah, and blah had concrete evidence on his side and you had shit.

Afro, the reason you got lynched was not because of my lucky gut day one. That led me to post on day four that huge post against you. Then you made it extra obvious when you contacted me on AIM and were overly aggressive about my accusations on you when I hadn't even voted for you. That convo posted in the thread was extra evidence.

Plus there was the tps-torlock convo thing on day one. I reasoned that if tps was doing that as a wolf he would have another wolf come in and attack him for doing so, thus creating easy separation. You fit that profile. And your semi-defense of tps before it was clear he was getting lynched. Also when you voted for tps, and the way you kept rolling over votes like you wanted to avoid looking wolfish voting late in the days.

Stop trying to act like it was me saying "oh I think afro is a wolf tass go get him" because that isn't what happened. You got beat, fair and square, and you really had no chance after hans and tps went down and an alliance formed. It's really not your fault.

[Tps222]

Not this again.

This is all in the context of the game, I have nothing against you two personally: Grow the hell up and stop complaining. Nothing about this game has gotten routine, new things are getting added every day. This is a team game, it will balance itself out. Tass can say whatever he wants, freedom of speech, so stop crying about it. Whether it's true or not, it SHOULD push you to try harder the next game, motivate you. When the going gets tough, the tough get going, and not going away mind you.

Now, lets decide host for TWG XXII, I like Whorli's idea, and of course, I'm putting mine up as well.

EDIT: Directed @ EB's post.

[Afrobean]

I like how you guys got lucky by going with myself and mead over others and now you're claiming "behind the scenes evidence." Just face up that it was luck that got me and mead instead of others.

PS

most of the time we just have to go for whomever looks the least human.

This statement in itself is flawed. Because the wolves are trying especially hard to fit in, they are often the MOST human of all.