Song Corrections Thread

[James May]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

v2/v3 were to be reserved for reimagining's and very long overdue re-steps of the same chart but people have since wanted to swap to a v2/v3 system for anything of the same song, so it's a giant TO-DO at the moment.

I see o: I was just very confused in that regard, thanks for clearing that up

[bmah]

Originally Posted by James May

Going by this, wouldn't all three charts of Cruel Whole (Abelcain Remix) be listed as three completely different cuts? Since ~Zero~'s chart has one cut and both hi19's and Osit's cuts are also completely different as well? I was always the impression that the v2/3's stuff were using the same song audio and making a new interpretation of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong though

v2s and so on generally had the same audio but there were some exceptions and that has been around for a while. There aren't many examples of different versions with different audio so that's probably why people don't remember. Until Tomorrow and Until Tomorrow v2 is an example of two songs that had different steps but also had different audio cuts. Personally I feel that further differentiation is too granular and would just add too much baggage to song titles.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Doing wiki digging on the topic, the name appeared to come from the official download from the website at http://www.dobuusagi.com/c_music.htm (it is still up).

The conclusion that jayde & noname came to, was that because the original release was named as-such and was only 2:23 long (version in-game is 2:25 long, the same length + 2 seconds of silence) and the full version of "風神少女 ～ the Article by Crow" is 3:50 in-length, it is a naming difference between the artist's official Cut version of the song, and the artist's official Full-Length version of the song.

Thoughts?

Since no one else touched this, and I happened to see it: it'd probably be best to just use the one from the album, if only for consistency. Just like there's two masters of Plastic Mind (the one in Queue somewhere, it's not currently in-game) with a pretty notable difference between the overall sound. The one Shadow & I subbed is the Floatia2 version, and not the 兎角宴舞曲 Courante Impromptu version.

For reference:

Flotia2 Plastic Mind

兎角宴舞曲 Courante Impromptu

It's really a question of how future proof you want the game client to be, and considering the space, it seems like a huge can of worms that can be remedied with keeping the Wiki nice and updated, but easily accessible.

Sorry for the weirdly timed / longer mention. I think with that file in queue, I should probably try and help future proof it so it's done right the first time.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Since no one else touched this, and I happened to see it: it'd probably be best to just use the one from the album, if only for consistency. Just like there's two masters of Plastic Mind (the one in Queue somewhere, it's not currently in-game) with a pretty notable difference between the overall sound. The one Shadow & I subbed is the Floatia2 version, and not the 兎角宴舞曲 Courante Impromptu version.

For reference:

Flotia2 Plastic Mind

兎角宴舞曲 Courante Impromptu

It's really a question of how future proof you want the game client to be, and considering the space, it seems like a huge can of worms that can be remedied with keeping the Wiki nice and updated, but easily accessible.

Sorry for the weirdly timed / longer mention. I think with that file in queue, I should probably try and help future proof it so it's done right the first time.

Appreciate the input.

Changed.

[jh05013]

"Balloon Fight" (difficulty 85) needs a difficulty tag.

Do "Phoenix" and "The Phoenix" need artist tags?

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by jh05013

"Balloon Fight" (difficulty 85) needs a difficulty tag.

Do "Phoenix" and "The Phoenix" need artist tags?

sure and sure.

[Snupeh]

Skill Token 107

party 4u -holy nite mix-
party 4u "holy nite mix"


Skill Token 161

Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion V2
Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion v2


Changes in 107 and 161 are related to titles, there's no problem with requirements.


Skill Token 174

Japan Style Breakcore - 2

Full combo "Japan Style Breakcore!!!" with 19 goods or less and 19 boos or less to unlock Japan Style Breakcore - 2.

[Zlyice]

The two Define files could benefit from tags to differentiate them. I think they're different cuts of the same song, so perhaps the more recently released file could be v2?

[jh05013]

In general, I wonder if v2 or duplicate name releases can be noticed and changed in advance.

[storn42]

Primitivism stepartist is credited to trumeastro instead of tru.

[gold stinger]

Fixed up to here. Thanks again to everyone taking the time to compare and do the sleuthing to find these discrepancies and the issues needing fixing <3

[Snupeh]

Apparently, level numbers of these five tokens indicated as zero on this page.


Another token correction:

Touhou Judgment in the Sixtieth Year
Touhou Judgment in the Sixtieth Year ~ Fate of Sixty Years

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Snupeh

Apparently, level numbers of these five tokens indicated as zero on this page.


Another token correction:

Touhou Judgment in the Sixtieth Year
Touhou Judgment in the Sixtieth Year ~ Fate of Sixty Years

Completed token correction, but cannot fix level ID of 0.

Reason being that internally, is that if the ID had a valid song number, that song number would then be locked under the conditions of that token. We change it to 0 instead so that the locked song is ID 0 (which doesn't exist), and the pre-existing ID is now public.

Removing the token field and its spot altogether on the list would be disastrous for the back-end so we don't talk about it.

[jh05013]

[Cut] and [Full Version] tags are inconsistent: some of them use () instead of [], and some use (Short Cut). Pwntendo and Schmollbluk don't have the [Cut] tag.

There are some exceptions however (there may be more):
- Our Journey and Epilogue. (92) is not exactly a cut version; there are slight differences between BMS (92) and full version (95) for e.g. ending tempo.
- !!!Chaos Time!!! (Uncut Ed!t!on) should use () since it's a part of the song title.

[bmah]

I personally am not a fan of even acknowledging that a song is cut in the title of the song. IMO there shouldn't be cut tags (unless the word "cut" was explicitly written in the song title from the author). As you've alluded, it gets tricky figuring out what constitutes a cut and what is not. So I'm for removing cut tags.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by bmah

I personally am not a fan of even acknowledging that a song is cut in the title of the song. IMO there shouldn't be cut tags (unless the word "cut" was explicitly written in the song title from the author). As you've alluded, it gets tricky figuring out what constitutes a cut and what is not. So I'm for removing cut tags.

Would probably more prefer it move to the side bar, rather than the title. I think noting there's more to listen to is important, but if the argument is for consistency, a lot of the music in the game is a cut, and it's not acknowledged, a lot of the recent Rapta files had notable cuts at the end of them. Even my Nightfall file is a cut that I didn't note.

So it's probably for the better we pick if noting cuts is important, maybe a poll in discord would be good here, or if the site thinks it's not as important.

But then it leads to a mess if the song is a (cut) [Explicit] sort of ordeal.

So if we're not going to migrate the information to the side, I'd probably favor cutting it from the titles regardless.

[gold stinger]

[Cut] and [Full Version] was mainly used to denote separation between 2 copies of the same song with notable difference in length, because people generally like to know in advance if they're getting themselves into a 4+ minute endeavor or not with 2 or more songs of the same name.

I think a lot of people already agreed some time ago that they just wanted to swap to v1, v2, etc. to denote separation between the same songs.

It's more vague if you strip [Cut] and [Full Version] altogether but if people want v1, v2, etc. for those as well it can be done.

[bmah]

people generally like to know in advance if they're getting themselves into a 4+ minute endeavor or not with 2 or more songs of the same name.

This is actually a similar rationale to arguments relating to song author tags in song titles to reduce confusion. To both of these cases, I'm wondering what the heck the song parameters are doing then. Do people not read them? Or would it be better to have song details shown with a simple arrow hover over a song as opposed to clicking on it?

[jh05013]

How Things Went Wrong and its author Goreshit should both be all lowercase.

As for author tags, there are situations where the metadata are not immediately available. Some examples I can think of are tier points (you can't access any metadata) and the dropdown menu of all the songs in a chart webpage (accessing the metadata takes more than just a click).

[SubaruPoptart]

Terra Liberty [3580]: Genre's set to "Dance 2" when the style is Power Metal. Seems like it should be Rock.

Plastic Mind [3583] & C204 [3105]: XelNya's name isn't properly capitalized in the stepauthor category. Xelnya -> XelNya