Should we consider double setup "legit"

[icontrolyourworld]

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

if people want to play 8button 4key and get better at it then that's up to them but if we are defining "legit" as "an accepted playstyle whose scores are directly comparable with other scores obtained through other playstyle methods" then this will never happen

there is simply too large a differential between spread/4key potential, far beyond the differential between index/spread, even if the analogous progression is justified

not to mention that "legit" is community driven more than anything else, even if site admins came out and said "double setup is now officially a supported playstyle" players themselves would disregard any notable scores obtained in such way and ds players would be de facto segregated into comparing their scores with each other

anyway for all we know there are hundreds of double setup players already playing on ffr they just all suck dick

If we just include DS as an acceptable playstyle it probably wouldn't mean anything substantial to the community you're right there. And there probably are plenty of DS players out there that suck. But I really don't see someone coming out of nowhere though and saying here's a DS AAA on rato. If we allowed it I'm sure people could appreciate the progression that player is going through. But then again we're both speaking for the community. In reality there would be mixed feelings about DS scores, but IMO if they're really opting for that playstyle and show progression using it, that would be pretty cool. If they eventually top the leader boards they probably deserve it.

[gold stinger]

Just going to throw it out there since it hasn't been talked about:

Double Setup on FFR means that there will be FC's everywhere on vROFL.

It also means people are going to use vROFL to whore grandtotal scores

in return means that pretty much the entire FFR ranking system is fucked. Grandtotal ranks won't mean anything anymore, because people could just bind all 4 keys to 1 button for 4 buttons and just roll through the entire song.

[icontrolyourworld]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Just going to throw it out there since it hasn't been talked about:

Double Setup on FFR means that there will be FC's everywhere on vROFL.

It also means people are going to use vROFL to whore grandtotal scores

in return means that pretty much the entire FFR ranking system is fucked. Grandtotal ranks won't mean anything anymore.

OK probably not very many people have vrofl to begin with, so this wouldn't be THAT relevant of a problem. If however those people wanted to spend all their time playing it for GT/credits, let them be. Everyone else would technically have the option to do so as well. It would come down to whoever wanted to whore the most which people are always going to do on any video game ever.


wish I could change peoples minds, but oh well
I got the answer I wanted
majority say no
and i expected that

hopefully i've given a convincing case for DS to be a thing to some people

[lurker]

this just seems like something that's stupid to make arguments about either for or against
either way you're still mouthing off about a game a triple digit number of people play

i for one am against double setup because allowing it would openly enforce the patriarchy due to women having smaller hands on average than men, meaning that they would have a harder time taking full advantage of the benefits
see? that really doesn't sound any more or less reasonable than any other post in this thread

[icontrolyourworld]

ok lurker
you win the thread

[gold stinger]

at this point in time I would like to say that I used Double Key Setup to get my vROFL score and if a mod happens to see this I would greatly appreciate it if the score could be removed thanks

[gold stinger]

I'm a naughty boy

[hi19hi19]

Icy, nobody is stopping you from playing double setup.

What we're reacting to is the fact you want to compare them to single setup scores as if you're doing nothing different.
I'm sure people would be fine (certainly, I would) if you posted DS scores and specifically said you were playing DS in them.
But leaving out that qualifier would make people mad, yes.

[Zon Fire]

Crowdpleaser

[Sidek]

double bs setup.

[Juggalo702]

You shoulda made a button for a "Hell No" vote.

[mrpreggers]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Yes, that's why this thread was made, to appeal the possibilities of having said rule removed.

no it's too big you dongus so is yours and a lot of others edit your sigs why do mine get taken down for being a few pixels too big H U H

[Dynam0]

1) Scores would have to be qualified as DS because I really can't imagine a world where 4-finger spread is the less-dominant play-style..so the "legit" factor is comparable to prefacing your scoreposts with "these were on J1 L1 settings and 0.6x rate".

2) Too hard to master. Only reasonably effective for specific pattern types akin to two handed tapping in Guitar Hero.

3) I will allow it if someone manages to AA Yanah's Crash using this style

[TheSaxRunner05]

I have read the entire thread and decided to vote no.

I relate it to bowling. Imagine if you could throw two balls at once! It would be hard to master, but once people did, scores would be better because they've mastered a much harder skill and deserve better scores!

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

using double setup also becomes a hardware issue because it requires you to use an outside program to rebind keys on your keyboard to the first set of 4 keys for playing. On top of that, keyboards for sure cannot handle 8 keys being pressed all at the same time, which would require a person to use 2 keyboards to participate in the 8 key setup properly.

Not necessarily true. You can use numpad directionals to register on top of your keybinds.

[andy-o24]

If you really want double setup to be something that has competition, put it on another engine with files charted in a way that suggest double setup is the proper way to approach it. Just like files in FFR have had a clear indicator whether it was made for spread or whether it was made for index, the files on this engine would have to indicate double setup is the intended play style. There is no reason to try and legitimize a setup that is only beneficial for dumpy files and then allow a flood of those dumps into the game for people who don't want to master the technique to suffer through.

Feel free to use it if you want, but clarify that it's a double setup score. If you really want this to go somewhere, make a specialized engine.

-o24

[Tyson ultima]

The game was originally meant to be played with arrow keys just sayin'

[choof]

Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld

That's completely different from YOU playing with 4 fingers and YOU playing with 8 fingers, or 2, or 3 or 1. We've changed this mentality in the past. It's not cheating to to play on a keyboard compared to pad because it's still YOU playing.

keyboard mentality, for ffr specifically, will never go beyond "4 fingers, 4 keys"
double setup will almost assuredly never be taken seriously; index and one-handed scores are barely taken seriously nowadays unless they're from unbelievably good players (etienne, bynary, etc), and generally those scores would be insane even on spread

a huge part of it would be pattern manipulation. any jack that's beyond your skill with 4k spread would be trivialized with a double setup: it turns the jack into a trill, two totally different patterns.

let's also take into consideration how much double setup would segregate the community further. someone brought up this idea, but also look at it from a new player standpoint.

I would also argue that encouraging double setup, along with making files that cater to the playstyle, would have new simfile artists totally skipping over fundamentals and shitting out even worse files. this already happens now, with a playstyle that's been the norm for 10 years.


and lastly, double setup, when abbreviated, is "ds." darkshark was also known as "ds." you see where I'm going here.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Tyson ultima

The game was originally meant to be played with arrow keys just sayin'

ya, too bad playing on arrow keys limits your ability based on factors that are out of your control

[lurker]

well mayb if we did what that guy on trihex's stream and that dude who joined ffr 2 months ago said and only make files that are doable on pad we wouldn't be dealing with this bullshit!!!!!!