jTWG LXXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I dunno I reallly just wanna lynch AA

I do too, but on the offchance he truly is town I would imagine town wants him alive because he plays a mean town.

There are some inconsistencies and pocketing attempts that sways my mind into lynching him (and this can be reverse from his PoV onto myself), but I'd rather have a clearcut answer to him either being cleared or guiltied by jailing.

I do think however it is funny that he is the only player who still suspects me as a wolf, whom roleswapped with the jailkeeper, when it's almost impossible. I would have been dead already if sunfan 1) thought I was a wolf claiming his role and wanted to out me to kill me or 2) trusted his townread on me and went with the roleswap.

Storn is also clear, so I expect him to come in and dump some logic with whatever he has; but he too suspects kiba which is another reason why I want to lynch Kiba and have sunfan clear or guilty AA.

[kiba1000]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Storn is also clear, so I expect him to come in and dump some logic with whatever he has; but he too suspects kiba which is another reason why I want to lynch Kiba and have sunfan clear or guilty AA.

He always said he thought i was town just that i'm not 100% which is true

[kiba1000]

and i'm not 100% simply cause i wasn't proven yet

[kiba1000]

But hey, if you really want me to be a wolf lynch me cause it's either that or i live till the end of the game that proves my township (or i get jailed which i doubt)

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by kiba1000

But hey, if you really want me to be a wolf lynch me cause it's either that or i live till the end of the game that proves my township (or i get jailed which i doubt)

On the same premise of what Xel had said to AA, if you are town and are about to be lynch, yet the information at hand leads to an almost guaranteed win, town players at the moment wouldn't care if they were lynched.

That said, you guys can easily lynch me and I wouldn't give a shit because it gives town that much more information and solidity against the final wolf which lies in us four.

Though now that you mention it, AA is the only player that made statements that hints at more information at that time than anyone else had; albeit he was locked into there being a doctor and tried to play it off by using my JK claim to further confirm a doctor in the game when he could easily be the Wolf Seer and had gotten Benguin N1 and led into a kill over Greggles which is a suboptimal play because Jailkeeper > Doctor in all aspects of the game. Doctor can only save a player and potentially clear them if a kill truly was sent on said player and there was no nightkill, where Jailkeeper can confirm a wolf OR town by using his action on a player, while also having the ability to save a player.

[_Zenith_]

replace "there was no nightkill" to "there was a nightkill"

[AragakiAyase]

k will respond to posts in order

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by XelNya

However, why are you not willing to die for the glory of town

Originally Posted by XelNya

Like do you realize how helpful you dieing here is precisely?

I mean I'm totally fine to die here. I just think killing you ends the game faster based on what's in front of me.

Originally Posted by XelNya

But no seriously, there's no reason for you if you're town to not be willing to be thrown under the bus with such an easy way to win the game in front of you

Originally Posted by XelNya

I dunno I reallly just wanna lynch AA

I really want to lynch you so the feeling is mutual

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Is this preemptive? I only ask because Night isn't until two days from now silly :3

But yes in this setup night talk is extremely townsided since Sunfan can announce who he targets (if he dies during night) which gives town the information of who was targeted and who is clear (if he lives then whoever he targeted is a wolf).

Can we lynch Kiba and have AA be jailed? I actually am starting to think that this is one of the best scenarios we can present ourselves with.

Lynch xel and jail me

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

On the same premise of what Xel had said to AA, if you are town and are about to be lynch, yet the information at hand leads to an almost guaranteed win, town players at the moment wouldn't care if they were lynched.

That said, you guys can easily lynch me and I wouldn't give a shit because it gives town that much more information and solidity against the final wolf which lies in us four.

Though now that you mention it, AA is the only player that made statements that hints at more information at that time than anyone else had; albeit he was locked into there being a doctor and tried to play it off by using my JK claim to further confirm a doctor in the game when he could easily be the Wolf Seer and had gotten Benguin N1 and led into a kill over Greggles which is a suboptimal play because Jailkeeper > Doctor in all aspects of the game. Doctor can only save a player and potentially clear them if a kill truly was sent on said player and there was no nightkill, where Jailkeeper can confirm a wolf OR town by using his action on a player, while also having the ability to save a player.

Ok so to all the stuff about why I'm not willing to be lynched: those are good points but from my point of view it's always sub-optimal to lynch me because I know I'm town and it'll just waste a lynch.

As for the extra info statements, be careful not to fall into confirmation bias here. I was locked into there being a doctor because I believed zenith's JK claim and there was still a kill. The JK (which did actually happen on a wolf lol) couldn't have stopped the kill in this case so there had to have been a doctor who made a save, excepting the miniscule chance that the wolves no-killed n1 for some reason which is beyond stupid

[AragakiAyase]

[quote=_Zenith_;4341106]I do too, but on the offchance he truly is town I would imagine town wants him alive because he plays a mean town.

I do think however it is funny that he is the only player who still suspects me as a wolf, whom roleswapped with the jailkeeper, when it's almost impossible. I would have been dead already if sunfan 1) thought I was a wolf claiming his role and wanted to out me to kill me or 2) trusted his townread on me and went with the roleswap.
QUOTE]

I don't think I've ever lock cleared someone for certain without mechanics demanding it so there you go

[AragakiAyase]

fucked up the quotes again lol

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

As for the extra info statements, be careful not to fall into confirmation bias here. I was locked into there being a doctor because I believed zenith's JK claim and there was still a kill. The JK (which did actually happen on a wolf lol) couldn't have stopped the kill in this case so there had to have been a doctor who made a save, excepting the miniscule chance that the wolves no-killed n1 for some reason which is beyond stupid

Nope you are missing something very key here.

Before the roleswap happened I claimed jailing you, and then the kill didn't happen, and your reactions were semi-pure or even convincing enough that you were town scared of being tunneled by a "PR". After the roleswap, Sunfan claims to have jailed DFR and we lynched him for it (THIS NEGATED THE NIGHT KILL).

Ben targeted someone, but it wasn't him who saved anyone; it was sunfan who targeted the wolf who sent the kill in thus rendering it useless which is a psuedo save but more a confirmed block and outing of a wolf.

Thus said, the extra information you posted is not falling under confirmation bias because there is no way you could have known anything about a doctor (and further trying to convince us there was a guaranteed doctor which WAS NOT KNOWN until Ben died last phase) unless you were the Wolf Role Cop.

Game solved AA you can quit now

[_Zenith_]

DFR I see you reading in here please hop on prochat because I have your profile done <3

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Nope you are missing something very key here.

Before the roleswap happened I claimed jailing you, and then the kill didn't happen, and your reactions were semi-pure or even convincing enough that you were town scared of being tunneled by a "PR". After the roleswap, Sunfan claims to have jailed DFR and we lynched him for it (THIS NEGATED THE NIGHT KILL).

Ben targeted someone, but it wasn't him who saved anyone; it was sunfan who targeted the wolf who sent the kill in thus rendering it useless which is a psuedo save but more a confirmed block and outing of a wolf.

Thus said, the extra information you posted is not falling under confirmation bias because there is no way you could have known anything about a doctor (and further trying to convince us there was a guaranteed doctor which WAS NOT KNOWN until Ben died last phase) unless you were the Wolf Role Cop.

Game solved AA you can quit now

So the problem here is that you're looking at the events in hindsight

At the time I didn't know that Sunfan was jailkeeper, I thought you were. Blah blah blah this is why I said there was a doctor. The bolded part is key: while it is true, I had no way at the time of knowing who the wolves had targeted or who was the person who actually sent in the kill. This is what I saw at the time:

JK on me, still a nightkill. --> JK did not stop the nightkill --> doctor did (or nokill lol). I don't see what's so hard about this. Fmpov at the time before greg claimed there is no way that there wasn't a doctor barring a nokill which I didn't even consider.

[AragakiAyase]

the firsts bolded part is true, the second one is not

[AragakiAyase]

The only way you'll understand this correctly is if you see it fmpov at the time that you claimed to JK me and I claimed there was a doctor. No other information aside from that. Otherwise yeah I look like a wolf

[AragakiAyase]

Every time you try to pin me with this argument you throw in some outside info which I didn't have at the time

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

So the problem here is that you're looking at the events in hindsight

At the time I didn't know that Sunfan was jailkeeper, I thought you were. Blah blah blah this is why I said there was a doctor. The bolded part is key: while it is true, I had no way at the time of knowing who the wolves had targeted or who was the person who actually sent in the kill. This is what I saw at the time:

JK on me, still a nightkill. --> JK did not stop the nightkill --> doctor did (or nokill lol). I don't see what's so hard about this. Fmpov at the time before greg claimed there is no way that there wasn't a doctor barring a nokill which I didn't even consider.

The bolded is definitely 100% not true. This is what happened:

Zenith claimed JK on AA --> Nightkill DID NOT HAPPEN --> Zenith Tunnels AA for reactions --> Sunfan announces Zenith and him roleswapped --> Sunfan claims to JK DFR --> DFR gets lynched and flips wolf

It is you who is not understanding what truly happened in the game; and this is most likely due to fmpov not having key information that happened.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

The bolded is definitely 100% not true. This is what happened:

Zenith claimed JK on AA --> Nightkill DID NOT HAPPEN --> Zenith Tunnels AA for reactions --> Sunfan announces Zenith and him roleswapped --> Sunfan claims to JK DFR --> DFR gets lynched and flips wolf

It is you who is not understanding what truly happened in the game; and this is most likely due to fmpov not having key information that happened.

I didn't say it was true. I said this is what I saw at the time.

[AragakiAyase]

You're tunneling me so hard now you're not even reading my posts properly

[AragakiAyase]

You're trying to implicate me off of something I said before something occurred using that something that occurred.

More specifically: you're trying to implicate me for saying there was a doctor before greg claimed jailkeeper, using the fact that greg claimed jailkeeper. Do you see how illogical that is?