TWG LIII: The Chimera Code (FOR REAL THIS TIME)

[edubardus]

ravia because I'm still angry and Manticore is funny.

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

2/10 - Ravia - heavylee, edubardus
1/10 - xplayfan - rzr

[edubardus]

Originally Posted by Ravia

Yeah. The LW Masons get a 1 in 3 chance to kill an extra human, from what I understand. I think that's why play is so hellish until either Night 4 comes around or 2 wolves fall. Then they're just humans or normal wolves.

Also, how do you know Manti's not looking for a scapegoat? For all you know, his human post could be false and he's really a wolf. You act like he's innocent just because he "busted me."All he's really doing is trying to throw you for a loop and make me look bad, while he sits pretty in the eyes of #000 every time the sun falls. You can't simply take his word for it because it's all about deceit with these guys.

His conversation might be genuine, but that doesn't mean he's fully exonerated. Look and see; you'll understand that he'd have every reason to trick us if he were a wolf. Don't tell me you're going to sit on your duff and listen to him again. Plus, he's got to be a wolf, since he already faked being #000 once. Now he's pulling the ol' reverse trick on us and playing us humans for fools.

The bold indicates things that I can do, things that don't make sense, and just flawed arguments.

I hate you.

[edubardus]

p.s I would like to refer to this particular section in the manti/ravia log

Originally Posted by Manti and Ravia

DarkManticoreX2 (3:04:56 PM): so edu's the mw again?
DarkManticoreX2 (3:04:59 PM): lol
Raviaffr (3:05:36 PM): Nah. He's a lesser wolf. Hence is piss-offedness.
DarkManticoreX2 (3:05:38 PM): dude
DarkManticoreX2 (3:05:43 PM): *shakes head*
DarkManticoreX2 (3:05:52 PM): dont give up your teammates once you die
DarkManticoreX2 (3:05:54 PM): lmao
Raviaffr (3:09:08 PM): Fine fine, you have half the wolves.
Raviaffr (3:09:16 PM): But you ain't grabbing the last 2 names.
Raviaffr (3:09:35 PM): Not even I can be that stupid.
DarkManticoreX2 (3:09:37 PM): well giving me a fake as edu is dumb too
Raviaffr (3:10:09 PM): Fake as edu?
DarkManticoreX2 (3:09:59 PM): hes not a wolf
DarkManticoreX2 (3:10:00 PM): lmao
DarkManticoreX2 (3:10:07 PM): and screw you for trying that

I am not a wolf. I do not know why he would spew such crap to Manticore.
I wouldn't be so ****ing pissed off if I had a decent role. Think about it. Don't be retarded. God damnit.

[edubardus]

seriously, man, next time put a little thought before you try to frame someone.

[heavylee]

Ravia, how do you know he knows who alian is, and who is elder? There is no one by that name in this game. I suggest you come up with better arguments before you try to frame someone.

[SethSquall]

I will say Ravia, it's the only reasonable person to suspect at the moment I think. If anyone has any other reason or would like to bring something else to the table blah blah you know what I mean please go ahead.

Ravia

[SethSquall]

I hate not being able to edit.

Anyway, I waited for Ravia to defend himself and such and something more to happen but as I can't see any other reason to suspect anyone else I said Ravia.

I mean what he says about Manti can be said about anyone else near enough right? It's no grounds to suspect him more than anyone at this stage.

[Makilaz]

I'm voting manti for now. I don't think Ravia's a wolf just yet, but unless he defends himself, I may change it later.

[emerald000]

I just want to tell you that voting deadline is Saturday morning. Please hold on your horses on the bandwagon and let's try not to lynch humans like happened last few games. There's enough time to make a clear vote, and maybe extort extra info from players.

[heavylee]

I agree with emerald. But I also think part of the extorting information part comes from when people are put under pressure by having votes on them. That was my purpose in voting for Ravia, to see what his counter would be. By all means we do not want an insta.

[heavylee]

Were there items in play last night? I am still curious if the two kills came from both sets of wolves, or if there were items present?

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

Read the game.

[Pyroshock]

Originally Posted by Ravia

Yeah. The LW Masons get a 1 in 3 chance to kill an extra human, from what I understand. I think that's why play is so hellish until either Night 4 comes around or 2 wolves fall. Then they're just humans or normal wolves.

Also, how do you know Manti's not looking for a scapegoat? For all you know, his human post could be false and he's really a wolf. You act like he's innocent just because he "busted me." All he's really doing is trying to throw you for a loop and make me look bad, while he sits pretty in the eyes of #000 every time the sun falls. You can't simply take his word for it because it's all about deceit with these guys.

His conversation might be genuine, but that doesn't mean he's fully exonerated. Look and see; you'll understand that he'd have every reason to trick us if he were a wolf. Don't tell me you're going to sit on your duff and listen to him again. Plus, he's got to be a wolf, since he already faked being #000 once. Now he's pulling the ol' reverse trick on us and playing us humans for fools.

You're a wolf.

There are three scenarios here:

You're a wolf, Manti's not: Makes most sense, because, hey, you admitted to it:

DarkManticoreX2 (3:02:50 PM): you are totally a wolf
...
Raviaffr (3:04:01 PM): Fine fine. You busted me.

You're not a wolf, Manti is, which you seem to be suggesting: If this were true, why did you admit that he busted you, as seen in the quote above?

You're both wolves: It would be a stupid, stupid plan for Manti to give up a fellow wolf on night one to lower suspicion on himself, considering the wolves want to have least deaths possible to keep the lonewolves.

Holding off voting for now.

[X3R0H0UR]

If someone could clarify for me, wasn't there an item that when used killed the MW, or a wolf or something?

I get the feeling an item/role might have killed a wolf. If so, its a really good idea to allow the thread to define where loyalties lie, or at least give us an idea who's talking, then for the person who used the item (if my guess is correct) to come out and tell everyone that they did so.

I still feel as though Manti and ravia could be working to distance themselves, for not I'm going to try to castrate Manti's ability to play his game, in that all special roles should NOT go to him because they "think" he's a human because of his play with Ravia. I'm not saying go to me or anything, but manti is too suspect at this point to be told anything pertaining to the blues.

Also freaky told me he talked to another cursed human (aside from himself). I think that the other cursed human may as well come out. Though I don't see the logic in a wolf faking a role that would confirm itself later, other than to get info before the cursed humans die.

Questions? AIM me at x3r0h0ur or thespindokta, I can clarify it this time :X

[Pyroshock]

Not quite, there's an item that gets the MW seered as red, and an item that lets you vigi, but not vigi the MW specifically.

[X3R0H0UR]

ok I'm thinking of the crystals that kill the possessor if not used. Let us discuss those conditions.

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

3/10 - Ravia - heavylee, edubardus, SethSquall
1/10 - xplayfan - rzr
1/10 - DarkManticoreX2 - Makilaz

Yet to vote: emerald000, argo15, gnr61, Litodude, DarkManticoreX2, EnR, flawofhumanity, Pyroshock, meno_rocks123, emocheergirl, Ravia, X3R0H0UR, pntballa18, xplayfan

For future reference:

1. emerald000 (emerald3x0) Raven
2. argo15 (argo1516) Vale
3. gnr61 (basketcase1161) Lain
4. Litodude (Litodude) Keevan
5. DarkManticoreX2 (DarkManticoreX2) Auran
6. EnR (RyanFFR) Shade
7. flawofhumanity (Redrumfortherich) Axl
8. Pyroshock (DJ Pyroshock) Pyron
9. Heavylee (heavyleah) Amy
10. freakysnots (freakysnots) Skech
11. Makilaz (BenderChan) Arterus
12. meno_rocks123 (MenoRS123) Myne
13. edubardus (FikshonJunkshon) Visark
14. rzr (twgXrzr) Avant
15. emocheergirl (bgurl99o0) Mavy
16. SethSquall (SethSquall) Mezera
17. travman301 (RBennie362) Zanza
18. Ravia (RaviaFFR) Mavin
19. X3R0H0UR (Thespindokta) Xander
20. pntballa18 (Merlonifan28) Kilvan
21. xplayfan (JONALEON1) Exer

[heavylee]

hey BDN, I reread the game through completely and I am still not sure. I know items are stolen and distributed throughout the night. I have never played with items before though. So once they are distributed, are they used in the night phase as well. If you can't directly answer my question, that is ok. I am just curious as I am working out some theories.

[Pyroshock]

I asked BDN about that stuff too.

Items are found, distributed, and used (if it kills you if you don't use it) in the same night.