Misplaced songs

mhss1992 · 10-17-2009, 07:01 PM

Well, I think that some songs are in the wrong genre.
Starwolf, for example, is a remix from a theme song in Starfox 64, it should be in Arcade, not Dance 2.
And I think it's a bit weird for Beethoven Virus to be in Dance, considering bmv.578, which is much more dance-like, is in Classic.

**Flaming_Dingleberry** · 10-17-2009, 07:14 PM

Put Starwolf in Arcade, I said that yesterday.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 10-17-2009, 07:23 PM

Both songs from Hideki Naganuma are also in the wrong category, they should be in arcade (trust me)

Too bad staff is nonexistent thus it won't get changed. (Which is what Kibblre is getting at)

**wargasm1** · 10-17-2009, 10:10 PM

I'm not readin all of this thread, chaos japan is from castle crashers and should be in arcade if it isnt already. Travel demon is from castlevenia.

mhss1992 · 10-17-2009, 10:11 PM

Travel Demon is already in Arcade.

**jimerax** · 10-19-2009, 11:27 PM

actually I'm doing vaguely about genres, especially on those.

Arcade vs. Other Genres (due to the definition of arcade)
Misc vs. Dance 1/2 (especially breakbeat/core ones)

**Ghakimx** · 10-19-2009, 11:36 PM

Stuff like speedcore should be misc, Gabba kind of stuff can fall under dance. What about Anime?

LauraJ · 10-20-2009, 02:22 AM

shining sword is from atelier iris 2 so arcade
back to being dormant for 3 more years for my next post

**bmah** · 10-20-2009, 04:19 AM

It's sad to read the first two pages of this topic - Jimerax is in charge with the organization of the genres and he's still definitely active.

That being said, I already have previously discussed the issue with jimerax on songs that truly belong in the arcade section. I'll further discuss it with him soon since the issue has been brought up again.

**The5thMoon** · 10-20-2009, 04:26 AM

Jimerax ftw.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 10-25-2009, 09:08 PM

Chiptune =/= Arcade imo
Arcade for me would be strictly actual videogame music or arrangements not things that sound reminiscent of vg music.

**Flaming_Dingleberry** · 10-25-2009, 09:12 PM

Those are the facts I'm afraid, but what's so wrong about making a not-of-dire-importance thread anyway? This one's almost to four pages also, I'd give this thread about a 7.

Any thread can be fun.

**bmah** · 10-26-2009, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Chiptune =/= Arcade imo
Arcade for me would be strictly actual videogame music or arrangements not things that sound reminiscent of vg music.

Yes. I agree on this. But I would make a modification to that statement: Arcade is videogame music or remixes/arrangements of FAMILIAR, WELL-KNOWN games. Basically, if you clog up the arcade section with Touhou for instance, it'll look less like an "arcade genre". I wasn't even familiar with what Touhou was until a few years ago. Also, rhythm games should be prohibited from being added to this section since the "gaming" aspect of a rhythm game is not important and it's rather a redundant to add such songs based on this implication*. Basically, put stuff in the arcade section that the majority of people will be familiar with, such as Mario-related songs. Add every song that could've possibly been from a game, and the whole arcade section looks that much less presentable and familiar.

*There can be a few exceptions to this, such as the B4U remix song. It's one of the most recognizable DDR songs out there.

mhss1992 · 10-26-2009, 07:53 AM

Well, I thought that any song from any game could be in Arcade.
Wow, and I'm really glad they cleaned this thread.

**jimerax** · 10-26-2009, 09:02 AM

Yeah, arcade is really vague definition of genre first of all and it should be changed to the name of actual music style (unlikely to happen though).

I was putting chiptunes in arcade because it's acceptable (cause I think it can also include "arcade-like music") and I don't want to put all songs that don't fit other existing genres very well in the misc.

I think we should define (song style) -> (genre) relations to determine genres properly.

ex)
trance -> dance
techno -> dance
jazz -> misc
noize -> misc
breakcore/DnB -> dance?
pops -> dance?

also by current definitions,
arcade -> "remix of major games" + "music played only with 8-bit/16-bit intruments"
classic -> "actual classical music" + "music played only with classical instruments"

**Ghakimx** · 10-26-2009, 11:29 AM

Actually, what about CSGS? Its not exactly dance music but I say it belongs in misc. What about Funk for Jazz? It does make sense. Though if you put Speedcore and Jazz into the same song group, that doesn't make ANY sense*. DnB can be put into dance if its stuff like cornandbeans, but noisecore and most likely hardcore techno should go in misc. Pops should also go in funk.

Regarding bmw.578, it does use classical instruments, but it is more techno than classical. I say its better off in Dance.

Piano Concerto No. 1 (For Kirby) is a remix of a piano song. As far as I know, it sounds uh, Kirby-ish. But this song was used in a pad pack called Pop Candy 2. So it CAN be placed in Dance. Its not -that- piano-ish anymore.

*I have speedcore music next to my jazz tracks in winamp.

**jimerax** · 10-27-2009, 11:46 PM

just wrote comments about particular things here.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...=94513&page=47

**bmah** · 11-10-2009, 06:35 PM

Bumping this thread, because I've just compiled a list (sent to jx) of potential arcade songs to be moved to a different genre. Most of them were either Touhou (apparently we have a ton of these songs) or songs that sounded video game-like without actually being derived from any particular game.

Expect some more feedback later.

10-17-2009, 07:01 PM	#1
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Misplaced songs Well, I think that some songs are in the wrong genre. Starwolf, for example, is a remix from a theme song in Starfox 64, it should be in Arcade, not Dance 2. And I think it's a bit weird for Beethoven Virus to be in Dance, considering bmv.578, which is much more dance-like, is in Classic. __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

10-17-2009, 07:14 PM	#2
Flaming_Dingleberry Everybody gets one. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fuckin space bro Posts: 1,008	Re: Misplaced songs Put Starwolf in Arcade, I said that yesterday.

10-17-2009, 07:23 PM	#3
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: Misplaced songs Both songs from Hideki Naganuma are also in the wrong category, they should be in arcade (trust me) Too bad staff is nonexistent thus it won't get changed. (Which is what Kibblre is getting at)

10-17-2009, 10:10 PM	#4
wargasm1 Cowbelling FFR Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 95 Posts: 1,289	Re: Misplaced songs I'm not readin all of this thread, chaos japan is from castle crashers and should be in arcade if it isnt already. Travel demon is from castlevenia.

10-17-2009, 10:11 PM	#5
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Re: Misplaced songs Travel Demon is already in Arcade. __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday. Last edited by mhss1992; 10-26-2009 at 07:51 AM..

10-19-2009, 11:27 PM	#6
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Misplaced songs actually I'm doing vaguely about genres, especially on those. Arcade vs. Other Genres (due to the definition of arcade) Misc vs. Dance 1/2 (especially breakbeat/core ones)

10-19-2009, 11:36 PM	#7
Ghakimx Cutie&Handshaking Sounds Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Xingapore Posts: 1,594	Re: Misplaced songs Stuff like speedcore should be misc, Gabba kind of stuff can fall under dance. What about Anime? __________________ I AM ASHAMED OF MY STUPIDITY AND MUST COMMIT SEPPUKU. FORGIVE ME, FFR. Ninjas NEVER die. Now on a 30 kill streak.

10-20-2009, 02:22 AM	#8
LauraJ i'll give up for you Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 5	Re: Misplaced songs shining sword is from atelier iris 2 so arcade back to being dormant for 3 more years for my next post

10-20-2009, 04:19 AM	#9
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Misplaced songs It's sad to read the first two pages of this topic - Jimerax is in charge with the organization of the genres and he's still definitely active. That being said, I already have previously discussed the issue with jimerax on songs that truly belong in the arcade section. I'll further discuss it with him soon since the issue has been brought up again.

10-20-2009, 04:26 AM	#10
The5thMoon • self-fulfilled prophecy • Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,132	Re: Misplaced songs Jimerax ftw. __________________

10-25-2009, 09:08 PM	#11
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: Misplaced songs Chiptune =/= Arcade imo Arcade for me would be strictly actual videogame music or arrangements not things that sound reminiscent of vg music.

10-25-2009, 09:12 PM	#12
Flaming_Dingleberry Everybody gets one. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fuckin space bro Posts: 1,008	Re: Misplaced songs Those are the facts I'm afraid, but what's so wrong about making a not-of-dire-importance thread anyway? This one's almost to four pages also, I'd give this thread about a 7. Any thread can be fun.

10-26-2009, 07:53 AM	#14
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Re: Misplaced songs Well, I thought that any song from any game could be in Arcade. Wow, and I'm really glad they cleaned this thread. __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

10-26-2009, 09:02 AM	#15
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Misplaced songs Yeah, arcade is really vague definition of genre first of all and it should be changed to the name of actual music style (unlikely to happen though). I was putting chiptunes in arcade because it's acceptable (cause I think it can also include "arcade-like music") and I don't want to put all songs that don't fit other existing genres very well in the misc. I think we should define (song style) -> (genre) relations to determine genres properly. ex) trance -> dance techno -> dance jazz -> misc noize -> misc breakcore/DnB -> dance? pops -> dance? also by current definitions, arcade -> "remix of major games" + "music played only with 8-bit/16-bit intruments" classic -> "actual classical music" + "music played only with classical instruments"

10-26-2009, 11:29 AM	#16
Ghakimx Cutie&Handshaking Sounds Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Xingapore Posts: 1,594	Re: Misplaced songs Actually, what about CSGS? Its not exactly dance music but I say it belongs in misc. What about Funk for Jazz? It does make sense. Though if you put Speedcore and Jazz into the same song group, that doesn't make ANY sense. DnB can be put into dance if its stuff like cornandbeans, but noisecore and most likely hardcore techno should go in misc. Pops should also go in funk. Regarding bmw.578, it does use classical instruments, but it is more techno than classical. I say its better off in Dance. Piano Concerto No. 1 (For Kirby) is a remix of a piano song. As far as I know, it sounds uh, Kirby-ish. But this song was used in a pad pack called Pop Candy 2. So it CAN be placed in Dance. Its not -that- piano-ish anymore. I have speedcore music next to my jazz tracks in winamp. __________________ I AM ASHAMED OF MY STUPIDITY AND MUST COMMIT SEPPUKU. FORGIVE ME, FFR. Ninjas NEVER die. Now on a 30 kill streak. Last edited by Ghakimx; 10-26-2009 at 11:44 AM..

10-27-2009, 11:46 PM	#17
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Misplaced songs just wrote comments about particular things here. http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...=94513&page=47

11-10-2009, 06:35 PM	#18
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Misplaced songs Bumping this thread, because I've just compiled a list (sent to jx) of potential arcade songs to be moved to a different genre. Most of them were either Touhou (apparently we have a ton of these songs) or songs that sounded video game-like without actually being derived from any particular game. Expect some more feedback later.

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