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No flame here, just responding to Dossar's post. If you don't want to read it, don't click the spoiler!
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Consider this. Most of us attended public schools from an early age, we have that in common. Most of the textbooks were written in the 1950's, before the deluge of postclassical thought. I conclude that what used to be metaphysics should now be part of basic physics, integrated with our worldly common sense. Nowadays it has become apparent that we are dealing with more than Isaac Newton here and religious people should really focus on that. Over the past few years I have felt a much greater sense of peace and happiness in the people around me. I believe terrorism could be done with in the not-too-distant future. Nonetheless, religion is very interesting. |
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There is definitely a difference between being religious and being spiritual and I think the intellectuals you are referring to would be spiritual. They may say they're Christians or Jews for example but I'm sure like most other rational people they cherry pick portions of the holy text and traditions from which to build their own moral foundations. This is precisely why I think religion as a concept should be discarded; we have evolved morally and we don't need outdated texts to tell us how to behave, it's nonsense. Furthermore, you have Fundamentalists who would otherwise have been harmless people that commit terrible acts in the name of their religious deities. The promise of salvation is an awful thing to hedge your bets on and it shouldn't dictate how people live their lives. You should do good not because some invisible man in the sky told you so or else you'd burn in hell for all eternity, you should do it because it's just common sense. More rants imminent but at work sry |
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Costanza's opposite religion has proven most effective for me personally
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11-30-2017, 04:06 PM | #25 |
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Religion is a good example of a concept I hold a high degree of respect for and can see how it helps many people, and has done a lot of good (bad too, I know), but was just never for me. If I had to answer, I'd say I'm happily Agnostic, though technically if you asked my family they'd deem me Lutheran. That said, my mom works for catholics, and my late grandfather was an atheist, so in general distinctions as such have never impacted my directly immediate family and such.
I've experienced as a third-party both positives and negatives due to religion. It's largely due to religion (well, and the Beatles) that I'm cut off from a portion of my immediate family; it's also thanks to religion that a few people I hold very dear to me have been helped in significant ways over the years. I've seen religion guide people to a terrific way of life, be it Christianity, Catholicism, Muslim ideologies, and everything in between. While there are holes in each religion, I don't think it's either important nor beneficial to judge due to them. I see it as a way to help people, and to provide support and answers where there may otherwise not be. Whether or not it's "correct" or "logical" is irrelevant with my stance; if there's nobody getting hurt then I see no harm in following a path that can cause great benefit. Of course, there's radicals and extremists that twist the purpose of religion, they can suck a dick and such etc. But for the most part, I think religion has potential to be life-saving, and can greatly help many people.
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11-30-2017, 04:38 PM | #26 |
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I guess you could say I have some spirituality. We, and everything in this universe has been cut from the same cloth. Our bodies, a crochet of cosmic fabric. I think we are walking embodiments of infinity, just like like the universe as a whole.
It is much simpler to have organization for your beliefs through religion. I choose not to observe any meaning that isn't personal to me. I think it's our job to find acceptance of our existence by our own individual means. I apply some aspects of buddhism to my life that replicate aspects of cognitive behavioural therapy. I think everyone should.
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I'd say that there's a distinct difference between a religion and a philosophy and that's the existence of something you can't explain. As far as I know there's no evidence for an actual god or supernatural presence of any kind that has dictation over the universe, and that the idea was probably proposed by someone (obviously a long, long time ago, before science was as prevalent in society as it is today) who wanted to use it to explain things they couldn't - the "god of the gaps" as they call it. A religion can easily indoctrinate philosophical ideals into them, as most do, and for that I think it's great that people can find something they agree on (if it's not detrimental to human progress) and can work towards together. Dispute over which is "correct" in my opinion is childish behaviour but at this point there's little we can do about entire populations of people being raised to believe something that others don't.
I definitely believe in the individualistic way of going about this, where you take what you can observe and turn it into your own ideas about nature and your existence. I have a hard time believing things that people tell me that I can't observe as true. edit: this is the most genuine thread i've seen in a while jesus christ Last edited by SpaceGorilla; 11-30-2017 at 04:53 PM.. |
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I feel kinda bad for people who were heavily indoctrinated. Instilling the fear of eternal punishment for finite wrongdoing into children is very effective for getting them to follow your religion and stay with it until they die.
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Tai Chi is heavily rooted in Taoism beliefs to the point that you really can't separate them unless all you want to do is slow moving dance routines.
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in case anyone missed it if god is what created us and informs our lives and actions at every point in time then god is the collective scientific laws of the universe and those (scientists, researchers, etc) who seek to discover and understand these laws are those who are really 'closest to god'
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Thanks for the insight owa :v
I just look at life as a trial - it would be easiest to believe that we as humans are capable of true moderation if we set our mind to it, but being born into sin as some one like me chooses to believe, this is not so. It sounds counter productive to embrace being fallen from conception but it's never been more complicated than some thing is as it is for me. edit: on a personal note :subsequent reality: the trial is a freebie Last edited by ormix; 11-30-2017 at 08:33 PM.. |
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EDIT: Ok, gonna need to explain more. It does say that God created Adam in his image, however, it says many more times than that that there is nothing resembling God in any way, so most people just take it to mean that God gave Adam some of the traits (the ability to hear, see, think etc) that God has. There are, as always, other interpretations.
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BRAINI am intrigued by this topic. Everyone are very 'fired up' to talk and think about religion no matter their belief All in all, I think religion has always been a heated topic. A source of power, a source of inspiration What really interesting about religion is the power, not the humble beliefs. Last edited by Travis_Flesher; 12-1-2017 at 11:41 AM.. |
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"It's a test of faith" is not a good answer either because you're effectively saying their lives were to serve a purpose of testing someone else, taking away the value each life is supposed to have. To clarify that last part: I think all life has no original meaning, and no value, unless you personally assign it one. (Which is the only reason I'd never say life is meaningless is a fact.) I value certain people I'm friends with, and I treat people who I don't know with complete disregard. They don't matter to me. I dunno how to really explain it any better than that. Quote:
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I feel as though he's a little more of an hands-off intelligent energy wisp then that. Chances are, wars are started by greedy fuckasses who don't follow his teachings (even if they say they are COUGHCRUSADESCOUGHWEEZ) Also The thing about creating man in His image likely refers to the fact that man has a soul/something about them not totally physical (Animals are thought to have no soul and be more biological robots then humans are. At least, that is what I have always been taught. There is no way I believe God looks like how we physically do because in all honesty evolution is a real thing and we probably don't look / function the exact same as Adam anyway) |
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Why would God choose to reveal himself, delegate prophets, bestow divine wisdom etc. to an illiterate part of the Middle East a mere 2000 years ago when it's been shown through evidence humans have been around for over 100,000 years? He sat idly by watching humanity suffer through terrible predation and average life expectancies of 20-25 years for literally THOUSANDS of years and then one day said, "hey guys I'm here sry computer took forever to boot up everything's fine tho lol" The concept of a deity or the supernatural to explain things yet explained by science can give you a warm fuzzy feeling and that is harmless so long as this remains a personal truth. I don't have a religion (if you can't already tell) because as many others have said there is no compelling evidence to suggest a God exists. Making the argument that a form of existence or reality needs a creator is a circular one because you would need someone to create the creator and so on; it has no logical conclusion or end point. The only thing I can rationalize is a continuum of sorts which is really not much different than the concept of a multiverse. Even granting that there was a creator they would be a slave to causality from the previous creator and so on. Last edited by Dynam0; 12-1-2017 at 08:05 AM.. |
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I'm Christian.
I personally consider religion a mentality at this point and time. I'm not going to tell you guys that God exist etc. I'm just going to say that "I want to believe" it is the case. I hope you see the subtlety. It's an ideals vs reality thematic. If I had to take a stance, I would say that religion is outdated. That it needs to find its place in modern society. I don't think religion should cease to exist, but I feel like philosophy should become the next big thing in early education. Once you've been introduced to philosophy to the point where you can start arguing instead of just presenting an opinion; I believe this is when and only when religion should be introduced. Well, that probably raise the question; "If you have your own interpretation of religion, are you still religious or you're no longer the real thing ?" Is religion a box that has to fit a pile of expectations ? Why did they change the old Testament to a new one ? I'm simply not up to date anymore with where religion is now, but I feel like the questions people tend to have comes in conflict with what religion itself is supposed to be. May legit need an expert here or some research before getting deeper in that topic. |
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