Old 05-4-2020, 03:00 PM   #3261
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@shadowolfe the only person that i referenced dead players on was dbp, and i feel like i have already talked about him a lot and my read on him is pretty clear

My personal play has never been "here is all the stuff I am thinking", usually i post my thoughts as they arise but admittadly I haven't been focused enough on this game to post a follow-along-able progression so it does make me hard to read (though not impossible). I do think my early days are inherently not scummy by the fact i was just lolcatting and not playing the game, though they aren't really towny either.

I don't really do well with "yo generic question here dusk what are all your reads", I feel like I have given up where I am at rn. If you want to engage in a conversation with me it is a lot more effective to pose more specific questions, because I find them more interesting and easier to answer. I do really think just typing up whole readlists aren't great and it is easy to waffle a reason to read everyone when you aren't focusing on one point.
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Old 05-4-2020, 03:00 PM   #3262
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I think I'm more confident voting ShadoWolfe than Dusk/DBP.

That's how upset I am.
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Old 05-4-2020, 03:01 PM   #3263
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I'm pretty upset that you would vote DBP over Duskfall here.
You were townreading me earlier in the day you shouldn't feel bad about someone else thinking I am town
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Old 05-4-2020, 03:02 PM   #3264
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Also wrt to listening to dead player's reads mafia is a team game and trying to do everything on your own is bad play, there is no reason to not take account of other people's thoughts
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You were townreading me earlier in the day you shouldn't feel bad about someone else thinking I am town
I town read your tone, but the mechanical play goes against you and it's hard to ignore it because it usually have more weight than tone.
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Old 05-4-2020, 03:03 PM   #3266
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I town read your tone, but the mechanical play goes against you and it's hard to ignore it because it usually have more weight than tone.
You mean the fact dbp claimed to block me?
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You mean the fact dbp claimed to block me?
Yeah because it's the only way I can explain the night actions.

The moment I choose to believe you, the night actions don't make sense unless it's exactly ShadoWolfe/Bolth/Jessie.
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Old 05-4-2020, 03:06 PM   #3268
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Yeah because it's the only way I can explain the night actions.

The moment I choose to believe you, the night actions don't make sense unless it's exactly ShadoWolfe/Bolth/Jessie.
Well dbp could be scum idling to set me up still, if you think I am town outside mechanics then you have to accept that i could be getting set up as mislynch here

Are you that confident dbp is town, outside of his role claim?
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Old 05-4-2020, 03:07 PM   #3269
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Well dbp could be scum idling to set me up still, if you think I am town outside mechanics then you have to accept that i could be getting set up as mislynch here

Are you that confident dbp is town, outside of his role claim?
I'm just a lot more confident hitting a wolf outside of PRs in this game.

Also unfortunate for you that we haven't played together before because that makes me not trust my tone read on you consistently.
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I'm just a lot more confident hitting a wolf outside of PRs in this game.

Also unfortunate for you that we haven't played together before because that makes me not trust my tone read on you consistently.
Ok imagine that dbp is wolf and I am town for a second, this world still makes a lot of sense why dbp would idle and claim a block on me right? He wins the game if I am mislynched
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It also means that him being alive makes sense, because if scum shoot someone and it is not in the blocker questions get asked, so the only people scum dbp can actually shoot is p much mml, assuming mml is town. I think that is noteworthy and i just realised that
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Ok imagine that dbp is wolf and I am town for a second, this world still makes a lot of sense why dbp would idle and claim a block on me right? He wins the game if I am mislynched
I guess the scenario where his roleblock is fake is very easy to fake as a wolf.

Keeping MML would just bring more chaos here.
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@shadowolfe the only person that i referenced dead players on was dbp, and i feel like i have already talked about him a lot and my read on him is pretty clear
And yourself in terms of how other people should read you based in dead players' townreads, which is never ever said here or anywhere else I've played

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Also wrt to listening to dead player's reads mafia is a team game and trying to do everything on your own is bad play, there is no reason to not take account of other people's thoughts
I'm with you here. We do listen to dead reads as a source of confirmed town insight, but there's only so much you can do with em because of the evolving gamestate.
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I guess the scenario where his roleblock is fake is very easy to fake as a wolf.

Keeping MML would just bring more chaos here.
The fact that you agree that if he is wolf and I am town this block is easy to fake

Means that you must consider the world heavily, because if he is wolf and I am town this is likely to happen, therefore his claim raises his towniness none at all and raises my scum equity none at all
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The fact that you agree that if he is wolf and I am town this block is easy to fake

Means that you must consider the world heavily, because if he is wolf and I am town this is likely to happen, therefore his claim raises his towniness none at all and raises my scum equity none at all
Well, I just want to evaluate both worlds, no more no less.

I obviously need help for solving this.
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And yourself in terms of how other people should read you based in dead players' townreads, which is never ever said here or anywhere else I've played



I'm with you here. We do listen to dead reads as a source of confirmed town insight, but there's only so much you can do with em because of the evolving gamestate.
I was mostly saying that because people said I was impossible to townread and I was disputing that fact because others have

But yes dead townies are dead for a reason listening to what they say is good, consistently all the people townreading me dying is a good look for me and I'm not afraid to say that because it is stupid to not point out something that might prevent my lynch when my lynch would lose the game
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Yeah because it's the only way I can explain the night actions.



The moment I choose to believe you, the night actions don't make sense unless it's exactly ShadoWolfe/Bolth/Jessie.
.. What?
From a Haku perspective, dusk being town should shift suspicion to the claimed roleblocker for no killing to strengthen his claim. The 0 partner equity aside, how do you get to exactly me/bolth/jessie based on night actions?
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Well, I just want to evaluate both worlds, no more no less.

I obviously need help for solving this.
Resolving both worlds is good I don't expect you to think I'm obvious town and dbp is obvious scum im just showing you this world exists and you should consider it

I can't really get mad at people for being wrong on reading me considering i haven't tried this game, I ma easily tilted as a person so I can be kinds toxic (sorry not like that outside of game). Trust me I get the fact people want to lynch me, arguably on policy but it's up to me show people how they can townread me and how they can scumread dbp, evaluating the world that I believe to exist.
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I don't really do well with "yo generic question here dusk what are all your reads", I feel like I have given up where I am at rn. If you want to engage in a conversation with me it is a lot more effective to pose more specific questions, because I find them more interesting and easier to answer. I do really think just typing up whole readlists aren't great and it is easy to waffle a reason to read everyone when you aren't focusing on one point.
OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?
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.. What?
From a Haku perspective, dusk being town should shift suspicion to the claimed roleblocker for no killing to strengthen his claim. The 0 partner equity aside, how do you get to exactly me/bolth/jessie based on night actions?
I tend to assume that wolves had little reason to no kill and I know I'm not a thing with MML.
It's also funny to note that no one seems to want to entertain MML blocking "wolf me".
It's like you guys know I rolled town.

You're basically forcing me to try to believe in a sub optimal scenario where DBP no kill on purpose.
This is super awkward if true.
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