House genre debate

**Mans0n** · 03-3-2011, 11:18 PM

Gonna step a super technical file for a REAL house song (made by me) so FFR will hopefully have some real house music for a change, cuz the supposed house on here isn't house at all lol

here my new tracks ******s
Skytrain
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/403912
Gizmo
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/403910

SOMEONE STEP TRUE HAUS PLZ

**bmah** · 03-3-2011, 11:22 PM

The house music on ffr is house of course. The house music you're probably thinking of is club house music, stuff that's almost on the verge of pop music popular with mainstream music. I would say stuff like Katy Perry's California Girls or Kylie Minogue's Love at First Sight is also house. House music is sort of the bridge between techno and pop.

**Mans0n** · 03-3-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bmah

The house music on ffr is house of course. The house music you're probably thinking of is club house music, stuff that's almost on the verge of pop music popular with mainstream music. I would say stuff like Katy Perry's California Girls or Kylie Minogue's Love at First Sight is also house. House music is sort of the bridge between techno and pop.

wow i seriously hope ur just trollin or trying to be funny.. 0.o

because pop is nothing like house and house is nothing like pop. and it's not house's fault that more artists are incorporating dominant house elements into there songs now a dayz

and Championanwar's ''house'' is more similar to techno than house but eh

Oh and house is it's own genre lol just like rock or country

**bmah** · 03-3-2011, 11:33 PM

I'm not trying to be stupid. House music is a subgenre of techno that's supposedly the most organic and emotional/lyrical. According to wiki the genre descended from disco and "has become infused in mainstream pop and dance music worldwide". According to Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music, house is similarly described as "the most human-sounding" subgenre of techno.

**Mans0n** · 03-3-2011, 11:42 PM

House isn't a subgenre of anything anymore, maybe a decade ago when it wasn't nearly as popular. But now 'a days House is it's own genre. Because there are sub genre's of house. for example: Fidget house, dirty house, deep house, electro house, etc. But yeah FFR needs some actual house music, like some Benni Benassi, Mau5, Pryda, Markus Schultz, IDK. hell It'd be cool if FFR had some house that i've made but it hasn't happened yet. But once it does it's gonna be sic as fuc

and maybe your thinkin of trance? because trance is generally very emotional and full of lyrics. But idk anymore

**bmah** · 03-3-2011, 11:50 PM

It's still a subgenre. You can call stuff like fidget house (lol) sub-sub genres. Unless you can actually define to me what exactly turns a subgenre into a genre...popularity doesn't really cut it.

And tbh, finding -that- sort of house music you're talking about which is free to use is pretty hard. I would love to see it happen though. That'd make me happy.

who_cares973 · 03-3-2011, 11:57 PM

House is a sub genre just like metal is a sub genre

**Mans0n** · 03-3-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bmah

It's still a subgenre. You can call stuff like fidget house (lol) sub-sub genres. Unless you can actually define to me what exactly turns a subgenre into a genre...popularity doesn't really cut it.

And tbh, finding -that- sort of house music you're talking about which is free to use is pretty hard. I would love to see it happen though. That'd make me happy.

Saying house and all it's sub genre's are actually sub-sub genre's is quite ignorant of House music and it's success over the years. Kinda like saying country, which is its own genre, is also a sub genre of rock n roll or rock which when you break into it's roots is also a sub genre according to what your saying. but country is its own genre even though it has similar if not the same elements of rock n roll.
lol nobody is gonna argue that country is a sub genre of rock n roll.
lets just stop being technical ******s and agree to disagree, because at the end of the day anyone can make up some bullshit new type of music and call it whatever they want

how about lets just stop being technical ******s about music genre's and just agree to disagree lol
And I guess that's just what I think because I only listen to house so of course we would have differing opinions since you don't listen to much of it if u thought it was a blend between pop and techno lol.
ohh and I'm gonna look into getting permission for some decent house artists but it always helps to know that people are going to be willing to step it.

**bmah** · 03-4-2011, 12:01 AM

you haven't defined what turns a subgenre into a genre yet

All I see is that you take it as an insult when really I'm just going by definitions and am not actually trying to downplay house's success over the years. And I do listen to it quite a bit. Why don't you actually look at the links.

and there's an actual organization that makes genres official

**Mans0n** · 03-4-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bmah

you haven't defined what turns a subgenre into a genre yet

All I see is that you take it as an insult when really I'm just going by definitions and am not actually trying to downplay house's success over the years. And I do listen to it quite a bit.

Well to be honest you haven't really defined what makes house a sub genre either.. so yeh

all comes down to opinion i guess. ask a metal head if they think metal is a sub genre and im guessing that there gonna argue the same thing i am but for metal.
I mean sure you can be uber technical and say house is a sub genre, but then you'd also have to be technically fair and declare that other genres of music that are classified as their own genre's to also be sub genre's of whatever music they originated from

**bmah** · 03-4-2011, 12:09 AM

I'll pretty much leave it at this to answer the question as to what makes a genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre

There are multiple ways a genre can have its origins and as you and I found out, it's a contentious issue. The only thing I disliked is that you claim I don't listen to the genre a lot which is untrue. The truth is, interpretations are multidimensional and not just according to what you've listened to.

**Mans0n** · 03-4-2011, 09:42 AM

Mybad If I offended you Bmah it just didn't seem like you listen to any house when you said it's a cross between techno and pop lol. I've been making house music for almost 3 years now so i just thought that was funny.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 03-4-2011, 09:49 AM

lol, seemed to me you were the one that got offended.

**i love you** · 03-4-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

lol, seemed to me you were the one that got offended.

^.

who_cares973 · 03-4-2011, 09:55 AM

i was offended

**Mans0n** · 03-4-2011, 10:01 AM

hmm thought you guys would have had better reading comprehension skillz than that

lolz

65 members and 283 guests65 members and 283 guests

and wtf why is the number of guests far higher than the number of actual members online?? I've been noticing this and it's just fuccen wierd.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 03-4-2011, 10:05 AM

oh I can read fine, from what I read bmah simply replied and you hardcore went off defending house music and it went down from there.

**YoshL** · 03-4-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mans0n

hmm thought you guys would have had better reading comprehension skillz than that

lolz

65 members and 283 guests65 members and 283 guests

and wtf why is the number of guests far higher than the number of actual members online?? I've been noticing this and it's just fuccen wierd.

1 word: lurkers

**Mans0n** · 03-4-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

oh I can read fine, from what I read bmah simply replied and you hardcore went off defending house music and it went down from there.

aint it obvious?

im in love with house music

Oh and you might feel the same if you have been a house music producer with songs that have 8k+ downloads. But meh that could be just me.
And lol if u thought that was hardcore defending of house music u havet seen anything, cuz i could have been more hardcore aha

But wouldn't it make more sense to make an account and lurk the forums so you could actually post if you wanted to, rather than just stalking?

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 03-4-2011, 10:16 AM

So.......then you can admit you were the one that got offended in this situation......

03-3-2011, 11:18 PM	#1
Mans0n Sun and Stars Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Californ.i.a. Age: 29 Posts: 2,907	House genre debate Gonna step a super technical file for a REAL house song (made by me) so FFR will hopefully have some real house music for a change, cuz the supposed house on here isn't house at all lol here my new tracks *****s Skytrain http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/403912 Gizmo http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/403910 SOMEONE STEP TRUE HAUS PLZ __________________ http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/Br0wnbread Check out my band profile and give it a like! :P Last edited by Mans0n; 03-4-2011 at 12:57 PM..*

03-3-2011, 11:22 PM	#2
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 The house music on ffr is house of course. The house music you're probably thinking of is club house music, stuff that's almost on the verge of pop music popular with mainstream music. I would say stuff like Katy Perry's California Girls or Kylie Minogue's Love at First Sight is also house. House music is sort of the bridge between techno and pop. Last edited by bmah; 03-3-2011 at 11:24 PM..

03-3-2011, 11:33 PM	#4
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 I'm not trying to be stupid. House music is a subgenre of techno that's supposedly the most organic and emotional/lyrical. According to wiki the genre descended from disco and "has become infused in mainstream pop and dance music worldwide". According to Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music, house is similarly described as "the most human-sounding" subgenre of techno.

03-3-2011, 11:42 PM	#5
Mans0n Sun and Stars Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Californ.i.a. Age: 29 Posts: 2,907	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 House isn't a subgenre of anything anymore, maybe a decade ago when it wasn't nearly as popular. But now 'a days House is it's own genre. Because there are sub genre's of house. for example: Fidget house, dirty house, deep house, electro house, etc. But yeah FFR needs some actual house music, like some Benni Benassi, Mau5, Pryda, Markus Schultz, IDK. hell It'd be cool if FFR had some house that i've made but it hasn't happened yet. But once it does it's gonna be sic as fuc and maybe your thinkin of trance? because trance is generally very emotional and full of lyrics. But idk anymore __________________ http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/Br0wnbread Check out my band profile and give it a like! :P Last edited by Mans0n; 03-3-2011 at 11:44 PM..

03-3-2011, 11:50 PM	#6
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 It's still a subgenre. You can call stuff like fidget house (lol) sub-sub genres. Unless you can actually define to me what exactly turns a subgenre into a genre...popularity doesn't really cut it. And tbh, finding -that- sort of house music you're talking about which is free to use is pretty hard. I would love to see it happen though. That'd make me happy.

03-3-2011, 11:57 PM	#7
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 House is a sub genre just like metal is a sub genre __________________

03-4-2011, 12:01 AM	#9
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 you haven't defined what turns a subgenre into a genre yet All I see is that you take it as an insult when really I'm just going by definitions and am not actually trying to downplay house's success over the years. And I do listen to it quite a bit. Why don't you actually look at the links. and there's an actual organization that makes genres official Last edited by bmah; 03-4-2011 at 12:05 AM..

03-4-2011, 12:09 AM	#11
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 I'll pretty much leave it at this to answer the question as to what makes a genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre There are multiple ways a genre can have its origins and as you and I found out, it's a contentious issue. The only thing I disliked is that you claim I don't listen to the genre a lot which is untrue. The truth is, interpretations are multidimensional and not just according to what you've listened to.

03-4-2011, 09:42 AM	#12
Mans0n Sun and Stars Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Californ.i.a. Age: 29 Posts: 2,907	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Mybad If I offended you Bmah it just didn't seem like you listen to any house when you said it's a cross between techno and pop lol. I've been making house music for almost 3 years now so i just thought that was funny. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/Br0wnbread Check out my band profile and give it a like! :P

03-4-2011, 09:49 AM	#13
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 lol, seemed to me you were the one that got offended.

03-4-2011, 09:55 AM	#15
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 i was offended __________________

03-4-2011, 10:01 AM	#16
Mans0n Sun and Stars Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Californ.i.a. Age: 29 Posts: 2,907	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 hmm thought you guys would have had better reading comprehension skillz than that lolz 65 members and 283 guests65 members and 283 guests and wtf why is the number of guests far higher than the number of actual members online?? I've been noticing this and it's just fuccen wierd. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/Br0wnbread Check out my band profile and give it a like! :P Last edited by Mans0n; 03-4-2011 at 10:04 AM..

03-4-2011, 10:05 AM	#17
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 oh I can read fine, from what I read bmah simply replied and you hardcore went off defending house music and it went down from there.

03-4-2011, 10:16 AM	#20
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 So.......then you can admit you were the one that got offended in this situation......

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