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**87x** · 05-20-2005, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by geminidude

i luv the fact that its backwards compatible with every NINTENDO system

More like an emulator.

evilbutterfly · 05-20-2005, 09:53 AM

That's what I said in the other thread and everybody bitched at me for that being illegal. If games are so old that the system isn't around to play them then they become public domain. Therefore most emulators aren't really illegal. Well, they weren't. Once the Revolution comes out there will be a system out that can play them and it'll make all those emulators super illegal. Damn Revolution. D=<

**Squeek** · 05-20-2005, 10:46 AM

Fact is, copywrights last 90 years.

While it is legal to use Beethoven's symphonies and Monet's artwork without permission, ROMs of games from the 80s are not.

~Squeek

blargherness · 05-20-2005, 01:59 PM

I have a question. Is there a playable revolution out there? If so, does it have all the revolution features yet to come out? (Dont call me stupid for this, because I already know I am.)

suicidalmuskrat · 05-20-2005, 02:37 PM

no there isn't a playable revolution out there....or there might be, but no one outside of Nintendo has any knowledge of it, what-so-ever...We don't know the controller/input device, and we don't know the tech specs. Pretty much we just know what it'll look like, and that you can play Revolution and GC games on it, and that you can download retro Nintendo games for play on it. We also are quire sure that the online infrastructure will be free to use.

evilbutterfly · 05-20-2005, 03:20 PM

Some copyrights last 90 years. Isn't it different with different things? I saw somewhere there was a case ruling in favors of emulators, using what I said as the basis for that decision. Not sure if that was 100% true, though.

And after reading muskrat's post, I laughed. We don't really know anything about this thing, do we? Silly Nintendo and their silly secrecy and surprises.

**Squeek** · 05-20-2005, 05:29 PM

EB: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...wtopic&t=29418

Nintendo likes to make surprises worth it.

~Squeek

banditcom · 05-20-2005, 06:30 PM

Iwata's interview: http://cube.ign.com/articles/617/617814p1.html

Quite a good read.

suicidalmuskrat · 05-20-2005, 09:50 PM

I really wish i had enough money to afford both the PS3 and the revolution...but the way it's looking i probably couldn't even afford the PS3...so i'm sure i'll just get a revolution...but their philosophies are so different, and they're both respectable...i just love Nintendo franchises too much not to own their console

banditcom · 05-20-2005, 10:16 PM

I'm more anticipated for the Revolution now than ever.

suicidalmuskrat · 05-20-2005, 10:31 PM

As am I, but i'm trying not to be too hyped until I see the interface, and the controller, for sure.

blargherness · 05-21-2005, 06:09 AM

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and the controller, for sure.

http://www.nicklin.us/nr_pic.html
My god, if it were to come out like that controller that was drawn, geez. such an awesome idea for a controller...unless its real. that would be cool.
It just doesnt look very comfortable. also, on the same site, the logo.
http://www.nicklin.us/nr%20logo%20page.htm
yes i do realize revolution is spelled wrong.

emccky · 05-21-2005, 06:14 AM

looks interesting.

evilbutterfly · 05-21-2005, 10:32 AM

That controller can't be right. It's not backwards compatible. Plus, haven't they already said that the controller would have the same number of buttons as the GC (and N64, for that matter) controllers? They would have to if they're planning on letting the Rev play GC games. The controller in that picture is missing the analog sticks they would need. Maybe the gyro could count as one, but it'd still be missing the other. And it has 4 shoulder/grip buttons instead of 3, like the N64 and GC.

I seriously doubt that to be the new controller. It might, however, be a concept controller that was thought about earlier in the development. I guess we'll see later on, though...

suicidalmuskrat · 05-21-2005, 11:44 AM

I highly doubt it's the real controller, as it specifically says on the bottom "DRAWN BY N-REVOLUTION"...so i highly doubt it. And EB, Reggie (head of PR/marketing) said to line up all of Nintendo's controllers side by side, and see how radically different they were from each other, and then to think about how you could make a controller which could utilize all of that, making it comfortable and intuitive to play ALL nintendo games from all consoles. So it might not be exactly like the GC controller, but you're right, they will have to have as many, or more methods of inputting (such as buttons).

nforcer06164 · 05-21-2005, 03:15 PM

Remember that the Revolution is backwards-compatible with GCN games. So no, that is definitely a bogus controller.

suicidalmuskrat · 05-21-2005, 07:55 PM

^^ or they could simply add gamecbue controller slots to the revolution. ^^

evilbutterfly · 05-21-2005, 08:43 PM

Um, all the Nintendo controllers are basically the same. NES you have select, start, A, B, and the D-pad. SNES you have that, plus shoulder buttons, X, and Y. N64 has all that, plus Z, the C buttons, and an analog stick. Its only difference was it's ridiculously weird design with having 3 prongs. GC controller has the same design, but the C buttons are an analog stick and Z is on the shoulder instead of a 3rd prong (which was a stupid idea to begin with). Sure, they aren't as similar in design as PS1 and PS2 controllers, but they're all a lot the same.

The only problem I see in the GC playing SNES games is that the buttons are arranged slightly differently, so some games wouldn't make sense. One game in particular would be Smash TV. The A, B, X, and Y buttons have to be arranged in an down, right, left, up formation for that control scheme to work at all, and GC controllers don't have that. So perhaps the Rev controller will look more like a PS2 controller, but with Z instead of L2 and R2, because that'd be closer to the design of the SNES, which was probably the best Nintendo controller, I think.

blargherness · 05-21-2005, 08:46 PM

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I highly doubt it's the real controller, as it specifically says on the bottom "DRAWN BY N-REVOLUTION"

Ummmm, i knew that. hence the "If it were to come out like that" instead of "that makes me want to get it more." i saw the "drawn by n-revolution"...and i never once posted i thought it was real.

ndthatsme · 05-22-2005, 05:23 PM

hey blargherness i'm sorry but u said that it looks awesome or whatever, that controller looks gay. Plus i heard that it has a toch screen.

05-20-2005, 09:53 AM	#22
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	That's what I said in the other thread and everybody bitched at me for that being illegal. If games are so old that the system isn't around to play them then they become public domain. Therefore most emulators aren't really illegal. Well, they weren't. Once the Revolution comes out there will be a system out that can play them and it'll make all those emulators super illegal. Damn Revolution. D=< __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

05-20-2005, 01:59 PM	#24
blargherness FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Massachusetts...did I spell that right? Age: 33 Posts: 624	I have a question. Is there a playable revolution out there? If so, does it have all the revolution features yet to come out? (Dont call me stupid for this, because I already know I am.) __________________

05-20-2005, 02:37 PM	#25
suicidalmuskrat FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Muskegon Posts: 739	no there isn't a playable revolution out there....or there might be, but no one outside of Nintendo has any knowledge of it, what-so-ever...We don't know the controller/input device, and we don't know the tech specs. Pretty much we just know what it'll look like, and that you can play Revolution and GC games on it, and that you can download retro Nintendo games for play on it. We also are quire sure that the online infrastructure will be free to use. __________________ I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for your crummy old danish. Done, and done.

05-20-2005, 03:20 PM	#26
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	Some copyrights last 90 years. Isn't it different with different things? I saw somewhere there was a case ruling in favors of emulators, using what I said as the basis for that decision. Not sure if that was 100% true, though. And after reading muskrat's post, I laughed. We don't really know anything about this thing, do we? Silly Nintendo and their silly secrecy and surprises. __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

05-20-2005, 09:50 PM	#29
suicidalmuskrat FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Muskegon Posts: 739	I really wish i had enough money to afford both the PS3 and the revolution...but the way it's looking i probably couldn't even afford the PS3...so i'm sure i'll just get a revolution...but their philosophies are so different, and they're both respectable...i just love Nintendo franchises too much not to own their console __________________ I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for your crummy old danish. Done, and done.

05-20-2005, 10:46 AM	#23
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Fact is, copywrights last 90 years. While it is legal to use Beethoven's symphonies and Monet's artwork without permission, ROMs of games from the 80s are not. ~Squeek

05-20-2005, 05:29 PM	#27
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	EB: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...wtopic&t=29418 Nintendo likes to make surprises worth it. ~Squeek

05-20-2005, 06:30 PM	#28
banditcom FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willimantic, CT Age: 40 Posts: 6,243	Iwata's interview: http://cube.ign.com/articles/617/617814p1.html Quite a good read.

05-20-2005, 10:16 PM	#30
banditcom FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willimantic, CT Age: 40 Posts: 6,243	I'm more anticipated for the Revolution now than ever.

05-20-2005, 10:31 PM	#31
suicidalmuskrat FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Muskegon Posts: 739	As am I, but i'm trying not to be too hyped until I see the interface, and the controller, for sure. __________________ I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for your crummy old danish. Done, and done.

05-21-2005, 06:14 AM	#33
emccky Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: word Posts: 4,811	looks interesting.

05-21-2005, 10:32 AM	#34
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	That controller can't be right. It's not backwards compatible. Plus, haven't they already said that the controller would have the same number of buttons as the GC (and N64, for that matter) controllers? They would have to if they're planning on letting the Rev play GC games. The controller in that picture is missing the analog sticks they would need. Maybe the gyro could count as one, but it'd still be missing the other. And it has 4 shoulder/grip buttons instead of 3, like the N64 and GC. I seriously doubt that to be the new controller. It might, however, be a concept controller that was thought about earlier in the development. I guess we'll see later on, though... __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

05-21-2005, 11:44 AM	#35
suicidalmuskrat FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Muskegon Posts: 739	I highly doubt it's the real controller, as it specifically says on the bottom "DRAWN BY N-REVOLUTION"...so i highly doubt it. And EB, Reggie (head of PR/marketing) said to line up all of Nintendo's controllers side by side, and see how radically different they were from each other, and then to think about how you could make a controller which could utilize all of that, making it comfortable and intuitive to play ALL nintendo games from all consoles. So it might not be exactly like the GC controller, but you're right, they will have to have as many, or more methods of inputting (such as buttons). __________________ I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for your crummy old danish. Done, and done.

05-21-2005, 07:55 PM	#37
suicidalmuskrat FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Muskegon Posts: 739	^^ or they could simply add gamecbue controller slots to the revolution. ^^ __________________ I'll trade you this delicious doorstop for your crummy old danish. Done, and done.

05-21-2005, 08:43 PM	#38
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	Um, all the Nintendo controllers are basically the same. NES you have select, start, A, B, and the D-pad. SNES you have that, plus shoulder buttons, X, and Y. N64 has all that, plus Z, the C buttons, and an analog stick. Its only difference was it's ridiculously weird design with having 3 prongs. GC controller has the same design, but the C buttons are an analog stick and Z is on the shoulder instead of a 3rd prong (which was a stupid idea to begin with). Sure, they aren't as similar in design as PS1 and PS2 controllers, but they're all a lot the same. The only problem I see in the GC playing SNES games is that the buttons are arranged slightly differently, so some games wouldn't make sense. One game in particular would be Smash TV. The A, B, X, and Y buttons have to be arranged in an down, right, left, up formation for that control scheme to work at all, and GC controllers don't have that. So perhaps the Rev controller will look more like a PS2 controller, but with Z instead of L2 and R2, because that'd be closer to the design of the SNES, which was probably the best Nintendo controller, I think. __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

05-22-2005, 05:23 PM	#40
ndthatsme FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 78	hey blargherness i'm sorry but u said that it looks awesome or whatever, that controller looks gay. Plus i heard that it has a toch screen. __________________ "It's better to be hated for what you are, than to be loved for what your not..." - Kurt Cobain

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