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Old 11-10-2006, 01:57 AM   #41
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Default Re: A CT thread for those that aren't Critical Thinkers

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Old 11-10-2006, 02:05 AM   #42
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Default Re: A CT thread for those that aren't Critical Thinkers

Okay, that is the kind of thing I would take up the opposite stance on. Text-based communication like forums and instant messaging is one thing, but being taught that such "language" is acceptable in the real world is entirely another.
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Old 11-10-2006, 02:31 AM   #43
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Maybe to make squeak happy 'lol' should be turned into its own sentence all the time. People could type out their original message and input the 'lol' where the smiley should go. The difference being that because 'lol' is not a smiley face, it must have proper punctuation before it.

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That sucks =p

That sucks =(

That sucks lol
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That sucks =P
That sucks =(
That sucks. Lol.

"That sucks. Laughing out loud." Makes a whole lote more sense than the previous version. It still doesn't flow very well though

A lot of people don't really use it as an acronym and instead use 'lol' incorrectly as a laughing smiley face; as pointed out in Squeek's third example.
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Old 11-10-2006, 08:56 AM   #44
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I don't consider "lol" an acronym, and it doesn't bother me at all that it techincally is one.

Honestly, the phrase "lol" is rarely, rarely, rarely EVER used as a real acronym to mean "laughing out loud". I use it to substitute for "heh" all the time, and I know plenty of other reasonably "grammatically intelligent" people who do the same thing. If you read "lol" as an acronym that means "laughing out loud", you really just aren't reading it correctly, because when used, it never really means that--sort of like when the word "decimate" is used, it never really means "to reduce by a factor of ten".

As for the news article Guido posted...wow, that's retarded.
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Old 11-10-2006, 09:52 AM   #45
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What is the basic premise of a conversation? A conversation is defined as the transfer of thoughts or ideas from one person to another. (Sadly, I am at school and cannot get a quote from Wiki, internet is blocked)

As long as the audience understands what is being said, I believe the use in acronyms such as "lol" at the end of a sentence, "u" instead of "you", "fo rizzle" instead of "for real," etc.

However, talking in 1337 (Which originated as a sort of code for hackers? Check Wiki for me, ok?) causes trouble for the reader, usually resulting in the loss of understanding. (Apparently, as intended, if it did indeed originate as a code)

As for people sounding like idiots, I do agree. Typing "lyke dis" shows the lack of thought and time put into creating the post, so it can usually be assumed that the thought behind the post is not worthy of me taking the time to interpret what said idiot is trying to say. However, one or two minor mistakes (Such as putting commas after quotation marks... I still really do not understand that) that do not hinder the reader's ability to interpret a post, do not need to be looked at with scorn. And I doubt they do.
NOTE: Squeek's correction of words like "definitely" are not so that others can understand what they are saying, that I know of, who wouldn't understand "definately" to mean the same thing. I believe his corrections are for the poster, so that the poster realizes their mistake... as spelling "definately" in formal writing may make a professor believe that the person did not spend the time on his essay or whatever. Basically, the syllogism is
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People who spend time/put effort on what they write must have a reason to write.
You put effort into your essay.
Thus, you must have a reason to write your essay, so I should read it.
The converse is true as well.

Seriously, compare the Garbage Bin to the Critical Thinking forum (Excluding the idiots in this thread.) There is a difference, as the audience is changed from those who want to learn, to those who want to relax.
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Old 11-10-2006, 11:44 AM   #46
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Seems this thread has strayed from my original point.

I simply want to know why anyone would willfully appear like an idiot? Most the time, people don't like being regarded as a fool or an idiot in person, so why do they do it on the internet?
Some people dont see themselves as an idiot for typing like that. But as you pointed out, that is what happens regardless of what the typer thinks.
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Old 11-10-2006, 11:46 AM   #47
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Default Re: A CT thread for those that aren't Critical Thinkers

It doesn't bother me that much, but that depends on the degree to which they've mutilated the english language. I don't harp over grammatical errors, simple spelling mistakes, or things like lol, because I make them and make mistakes frequently.


So I suppose there is just a line you don't cross. I don't think every post should reflect your most gramatically correct pompous prose, I know I definitely don't care that much when making a post and rarely check them over, but people are going to judge you at the end of the day, so making yourself look like an idiot probably isn't the best idea.


I suppose being stupid is cool, in the teenage population. I see it all the time. It just isn't popular to be intelligent anymore...sadly...but this highly depends on who you hang out with I suppose. As you get older or head into higher education, being intelligent will make you shine, because the dumb people don't get anywhere.
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Old 11-10-2006, 04:10 PM   #48
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NOTE: Squeek's correction of words like "definitely" are not so that others can understand what they are saying, that I know of, who wouldn't understand "definately" to mean the same thing. I believe his corrections are for the poster, so that the poster realizes their mistake...
Truth. Whenever I correct my friends on any matter, grammar included, it's for their benefit. I can't just sit idly by while I let my friend make a fool of himself by using the word "pension" for "penchant". I'd rather correct him and solve all future problems.

Even if I don't like you, I'd still rather you at least type properly so as to not look like a moron. There's enough stupid in the world today, so I'm doing my part to not perpetuate its existence.

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Old 11-10-2006, 05:47 PM   #49
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There's enough stupid in the world today, so I'm doing my part to not perpetuate its existence.
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Old 11-10-2006, 06:08 PM   #50
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On a forum, hells no. Run-on sentences make my eyes and nose bleed. Seriously. Post a sentence remotely like the first sentence of Tale of Two Cities and when I start to bleed, I'll post a picture so you guys can see I'm not kidding.

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I have a question to pose to people that use any form of alternate spellings on common words, such as abbreviating the words "you" and "are" as "u" and "r" respectively, or for some reason, add the letter z to the end of everything or use multiple punctuation marks at the end of a particular sentence. (hey u guyz whatz up??)



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Old 11-10-2006, 09:52 PM   #51
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Default Re: A CT thread for those that aren't Critical Thinkers

How is that a run-on sentence? It gets to a point and while I could split it into three sentences, I could also simply keep it all together.

I'll go take it ****ing Orson Scott Card to validate it as a completely legitimate sentence if I have to.

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Old 11-13-2006, 10:33 AM   #52
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I love how laharl is trying to look cool in this thread by acting like he doesnt understand common lazyness. No laharl. You arnt funny.
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:50 AM   #53
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Izzy... WTF are you talking about!?


As you can see, the acronym here is not because it saves time, or puts emphasis on any one point of my post, but because it is a simple term that almost everyone knows and understands, and I do it out of habit.
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Good job missing the point.
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Old 11-13-2006, 11:18 AM   #55
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Everyone look at Izzy's last two posts and see what earns you warnings/bans in CT.

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Old 11-13-2006, 01:45 PM   #56
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This isnt even a topic its pure retardation.
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Old 11-13-2006, 01:56 PM   #57
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Throughout most of adolesence theres a time where you need to prove yourself to your peers. In this time i think acceptance plays an incredible roll on the human psyche. I would argue that shorthand slang of the internet caught on so drastically with todays youth because "the cool" thing to do will not make you the object of ridicule...so conformity sets in with the unnerving lack of confidence in those who do it. Atleast i found some striking similarities to such growing up.
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Old 11-13-2006, 02:10 PM   #58
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I can understand not capitalizing; "lol" and "rofl" ;and the occasional double or triple punctuation at the end of a sentence too, but when you go insane and start typing "Z0/\/\GZ 1337 i r c0073r 7|-|4|\| y0|_|", thats over the edge.
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Old 11-13-2006, 03:16 PM   #59
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spyke: When someone bothers to mutilate the english language so badly into things like meno just posted, in my mind the person's clearly put MORE effort into making, not less. Even small manglings, unless its just because the person can't spell.
As an aside, using z for s makes sense phoenetically (who's bright idea was to make the spelling of that word so friggin hard anyways?) when it is used.

dunlop: Laharl's sentence is obviously not run-on. Parsing down thoughts too much makes things too choppy.

Guido: I find your comments not only needlessly insulting but also seemingly ignoring the point of a couple people on here (including mine.) Why does someone look stupid if they're going to alter their language? This goes to Reach as well- why does PURPOSEFULLY not using correct and spelling make someone less intelligent? Adopting something different from an elitist norm is a cultural development which only rings 'stupid' to those who only think inside the box. If it annoys you because you truly can't parse it easily, or don't understand it at all, that's different. If you must stick to changing what's written down via your 'inner ear' only and things like lol aren't 'heard', that's another thing too. But just because someone else finds something in communication which you don't like, or isn't the standard, doesn't make it stupid.

I also don't know why we're debating about the lol thing. We all 'get' what someone means when they use it, so why are we nit-picking about it?
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Old 11-13-2006, 03:26 PM   #60
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Uh.

People do it because they're lazy.

Lazy people aren't necessarily unintelligent, but it proves that they aren't striving to be intelligent either. It can also correlate to a lack of knowledge on how to actually spell the words. It's usually a mix of the two.

I nit-pick "lol" because it's overused for all the wrong reasons.

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First 3-ish minutes.

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