Idea for a new list of tier songs

**emulord** · 05-12-2011, 07:58 PM

As I said before, I think that we should make an organized list of songs for the tier point system. We have songs that emphasize every aspect of skill. This way, by looking at someone's tier point list, you can see what skills they're probably good at.

Not all tier points with this list will be of equal difficulty to get!

Please post your suggestions! I will incorporate good ideas into this list

I divided FFR into the following 9 skills:
Jackhammers, Stream, (Jump,Hand)stream, (Jumps,Hands,Quads), Rhythmic Chaos, (Background,Bluenote), (Rolls,Burst), Antiskill, Endurance

Pass = 70% score
mash FC = 90%
FC = 95%

Jacks

Code:

Name                   D Jack Stream JS Air Chaos Blue Burst Anti Endurance
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
100 Bar Blackout       3| X  |      |  |   |  X  | X  |     |    |
 1: 1g or better

Fei Longer             9| X  |      |  |   |     |    |  X  |    |
 1: 20g
 2: 7g
 3: AAA

Nova Pulser           10| X  |      |  |   |  X  |    |     |    |
 1: FC
 2: 40g
 3: 16g
 4: 4g
 5: AAA

Club                  11| X  |      |  | X |     |    |     |    | 
 2: FC
 3: 50g
 4: 25g
 5: 11g
 6: 3g

Eclipse(Solar)        12| X  |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |
 1: pass
 2: mash FC
 3: FC
 4: 200g
 5: 130g
 6: 60g
 7: 30g
 8: 9g
 9: 2g

Grist                 12| X  |      |  | X |     |    |  X  |    |
?

Crowdpleaser          12| X  |      |  |   |     |    |     |    |
 2: PA without FCing
 3: 100g
 4: 50g
 5: 25g
 6: 15g
 7: 9g
 8: 4g

Stream

Code:

Name                   D Jack Stream JS Air Chaos Blue Burst Anti Endurance
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Speed Limit 38         7|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |
 1: 18g 
 2: AAA

Max Forever            8|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |  X
 1: FC
 2: 25g
 3: 5g
 4: AAA

CIA Rave               9|    |  X   |  |   |     | X  |     |    |   
 1: 20g
 2: 9g
 3: 1g

Uber Rave v2           9|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |  X
 1: 40g
 2: 15g
 3: 7g
 4: AAA

Purple                10|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |
 1: Mash FC
 2: FC
 3: 50g
 4: 15g
 5: 2g

Monstrous Turtles     10|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |  X
 1: FC
 2: 100g
 3: 45g
 4: 15g
 5: 4g

BB Revenge            11|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     | X  |  X
 1: Mash FC
 2: FC
 3: 200g
 4: 80g
 5: 35g
 6: 15g
 7: 6g
 8: AAA

StrangeProgram        11|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |
 2: FC
 3: 90g
 4: 35g
 5: 12g
 6: 3g

Reality               12|    |  X   |  |   |     |    |     |    |
 2: FC
 3: 120g
 4: 60g
 5: 25g
 6: 11g
 7: 5g
 8: AAA

Air

Code:

Name                   D Jack Stream JS Air Chaos Blue Burst Anti Endurance
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Entertainer        8|    |      |  | X |     |    |     |    | X
 1: FC
 2: 30g
 3: 14g
 4: 4g

Coat Czech             9|    |      |  | X |     |    |  X  |    |
 1: FC
 2: 25g
 3: 10g
 4: 3g

Turkish March         10|    |      |  | X |     |    |  X  |    |
 1: FC
 2: 40g
 3: 20g
 4: 12g
 5: 3g
 
Mario Minor           11| X  |      |  | X |     |    |     |    | X
 2: FC
 3: 150g
 4: 50g
 5: 20g
 6: 8g
 7: 2g

The Adventures of Lolo12|    |      |  | X |     |    |  X  |    |
 1: mash FC
 2: FC
 3: 120g
 4: 50g
 5: 20g
 6: 9g
 7: 3g
 8: AAA
 
Ripoff                12|    |      |  | X |     |    |  X  |    |
 2: FC
 3: 120g
 4: 60g
 5: 30g
 6: 13g
 7: 5g
 8: AAA

I'm still working on the rest. Any song / point suggestions?

**~Zeta~** · 05-12-2011, 08:01 PM

No. Too many songs take aspects of all skills. Pointless.

The way Tier points are now are fine. No point in dramatically changing it. The reqs are just too tight right now. It's getting worked on.

**iironiic** · 05-12-2011, 08:02 PM

I don't like how "Mash FCing" is worthy of one tier point since that will encourage people to mash just for that one point. Anyone can mash their way through a song.

**rushyrulz** · 05-12-2011, 08:02 PM

100 bar blackout, I lol'd.
Mash FC I lol'd.

Tier points shouldn't be easy.

Some of the new files should be TPd tho, but I think they're working on the system.. I think..

**emulord** · 05-12-2011, 08:09 PM

Lol I could remove mashing TP except for a few of the songs. 100 Bar blackout is a pretty good measure of minijacking ability

See, some tier points should be easy because as of now, you need to manually check levelranks for anyone from D1-D4 or D5.

**rushyrulz** · 05-12-2011, 08:15 PM

100BB is definitely not a good measure of minijacking ability. The quickest one is a 2-framer and they're just minijacks in the middle of nowhere.

**emulord** · 05-12-2011, 08:21 PM

Thats why its only 1 TP out of a list of several different types of jacks. Prolonged ones like in Fei Longer, crazyfast ones in Grist, minijack in stream like in Nova Pulser

**emulord** · 05-12-2011, 08:25 PM

If we want a tier point list that both doesn't stress mashing, and allows classification of lower ranked players, we need to put some easy songs / TPs in there.

**rushyrulz** · 05-12-2011, 08:27 PM

The tier point list isn't meant to classify lower ranked players and there definitely won't be anything lower than an 8 in the list, even if the update that rebound is allegedly working on goes through.

The point you're making has been argued in different threads and the general consensus is that the TP list is for more advanced players only. There should be a better way of organizing the songs that do count for TPs though..

**emulord** · 05-12-2011, 08:33 PM

ok, how would you organize it?

PS: I dont mean to sound argumentative. I'm trying to get a good debate about this going

who_cares973 · 05-12-2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iironiic

I don't like how "Mash FCing" is worthy of one tier point since that will encourage people to mash just for that one point. Anyone can mash their way through a song.

People mash fc for tier points now anyway so

**jimerax** · 05-12-2011, 09:41 PM

so why do you pick crowdpleaser?

also, recent good players will easily get MAX/semi-MAX scores on that system.

**Reincarnate** · 05-12-2011, 10:23 PM

Yeah that system is piss easy to max out

**emulord** · 05-12-2011, 10:28 PM

Crowdpleaser tests one kind of skill, super super fast trilling. The only other one that does is Death Piano, and DP is way more complicated.

Even though nearMax is definetly possible, it would be tough to get the last few points for AAA's of FGOs. The difference is you need to have well rounded skills rather than ability to SDG/AAA any FGO.

**DossarLX ODI** · 05-12-2011, 10:32 PM

"Super fast trilling"

lmfaoooooo

**ScarletSky** · 05-12-2011, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

100 bar blackout, I lol'd.
Mash FC I lol'd.

Tier points shouldn't be easy.

Some of the new files should be TPd tho, but I think they're working on the system.. I think..

I was gonna say.. >.>
Most of these TPs are pretty easy. I'd already have a couple more added my (small) collection if this was implemented.

Xx{Midnight}xX · 05-13-2011, 03:35 AM

This is even worse than the current wasted system.

05-12-2011, 08:01 PM	#2
~Zeta~ Flag Master Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Pole Age: 31 Posts: 2,156	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs No. Too many songs take aspects of all skills. Pointless. The way Tier points are now are fine. No point in dramatically changing it. The reqs are just too tight right now. It's getting worked on. __________________

05-12-2011, 08:02 PM	#3
iironiic D6 FFR Legacy Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 32 Posts: 4,342	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs I don't like how "Mash FCing" is worthy of one tier point since that will encourage people to mash just for that one point. Anyone can mash their way through a song.

05-12-2011, 08:02 PM	#4
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs 100 bar blackout, I lol'd. Mash FC I lol'd. Tier points shouldn't be easy. Some of the new files should be TPd tho, but I think they're working on the system.. I think.. __________________

05-12-2011, 08:09 PM	#5
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs Lol I could remove mashing TP except for a few of the songs. 100 Bar blackout is a pretty good measure of minijacking ability See, some tier points should be easy because as of now, you need to manually check levelranks for anyone from D1-D4 or D5. Last edited by emulord; 05-12-2011 at 08:11 PM..

05-12-2011, 08:15 PM	#6
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs 100BB is definitely not a good measure of minijacking ability. The quickest one is a 2-framer and they're just minijacks in the middle of nowhere. __________________

05-12-2011, 08:21 PM	#7
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs Thats why its only 1 TP out of a list of several different types of jacks. Prolonged ones like in Fei Longer, crazyfast ones in Grist, minijack in stream like in Nova Pulser

05-12-2011, 08:25 PM	#8
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs If we want a tier point list that both doesn't stress mashing, and allows classification of lower ranked players, we need to put some easy songs / TPs in there.

05-12-2011, 08:27 PM	#9
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs The tier point list isn't meant to classify lower ranked players and there definitely won't be anything lower than an 8 in the list, even if the update that rebound is allegedly working on goes through. The point you're making has been argued in different threads and the general consensus is that the TP list is for more advanced players only. There should be a better way of organizing the songs that do count for TPs though.. __________________

05-12-2011, 08:33 PM	#10
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs ok, how would you organize it? PS: I dont mean to sound argumentative. I'm trying to get a good debate about this going

05-12-2011, 09:41 PM	#12
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs so why do you pick crowdpleaser? also, recent good players will easily get MAX/semi-MAX scores on that system.

05-12-2011, 10:23 PM	#13
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs Yeah that system is piss easy to max out

05-12-2011, 10:28 PM	#14
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs Crowdpleaser tests one kind of skill, super super fast trilling. The only other one that does is Death Piano, and DP is way more complicated. Even though nearMax is definetly possible, it would be tough to get the last few points for AAA's of FGOs. The difference is you need to have well rounded skills rather than ability to SDG/AAA any FGO.

05-13-2011, 03:35 AM	#17
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: Idea for a new list of tier songs This is even worse than the current wasted system.

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