Over The Frail Dream

**HeZe** · 02-21-2008, 09:10 AM

This song is absolutely VERY CHALLENGING. BPM about 200 and long streams. Can't be the first challenging song I can't fc

**EDEdDNEdDYFaN** · 02-21-2008, 09:11 AM

I believe tass said that had the song been a little longer, it would have been very challenging. But since the song is so short, only challenging.

bluguerrilla · 02-21-2008, 09:20 AM

Index friendly stream is hard for me to combo, fun sim though. I agree, it's a 9.

I'd say Survive is also a 9 but feh.

**Adamaja456** · 02-21-2008, 09:20 AM

yea its pretty easy
and the streams are not that long.

btw, i love this song.

**HeZe** · 02-21-2008, 09:48 AM

Can't agree with you. Balloon fever and silence are both easier than this and they are 11

**EAGAMES** · 02-21-2008, 10:10 AM

I saw it's a challenging but because of fast streams it makes it seem harder and it is a tad harder to AAA. *Still havn't AAA it*

y0ttabyte · 02-21-2008, 10:24 AM

From the front page:

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Over the Frail Dream is a fairly well known StepMania song by Phantasma. For FFR, it is stepped by SulferDragon and has some 200bpm stream, but not much. Mostly 8th notes. I’ve rated it a 9. I’m aware it’s a 10 with framer issues, but I’m assuming down the road that that fix will be public, so I’m starting to rate based on that assumption.

-Yukari- · 02-21-2008, 10:30 AM

I just find the length bias in difficulty ratings kind of stupid. I know I've said this before, but a pattern that is hard enough to be a difficulty 10 is a pattern that's hard enough to be a difficulty 10. If it's 40 seconds of difficulty 10 patterns, that doesn't make it a 40 second difficulty 9, that makes it a 40 second difficulty 10.

{Rose} is easier than this and is a difficulty 10.... makes me laugh.

omgitznpv · 02-21-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by y0ttabyte

From the front page:

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Ninja'd.

besides guyz just subscribe

**Go_Oilers_Go** · 02-21-2008, 12:34 PM

I just suck. So it makes no difference to me.

thegeddupnoise · 02-21-2008, 02:07 PM

Yeah, it's totally a 10. The streams are ridiculously fast for a 9 difficulty.

**EnR** · 02-21-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thegeddupnoise

Yeah, it's totally a 10. The streams are ridiculously fast for a 9 difficulty.

lol I sightread AAA'd it, so not a 10.

**devonin** · 02-21-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by -Yukari-

I just find the length bias in difficulty ratings kind of stupid. I know I've said this before, but a pattern that is hard enough to be a difficulty 10 is a pattern that's hard enough to be a difficulty 10. If it's 40 seconds of difficulty 10 patterns, that doesn't make it a 40 second difficulty 9, that makes it a 40 second difficulty 10.

{Rose} is easier than this and is a difficulty 10.... makes me laugh.

But if you consider the song to be rated based on its difficulty with respect to AAA'ing and FC'ing rather than just the raw difficulty of the steps themselves, songs that are quite long give more time for something minute to go badly. It is much harder to AAA a song of consistant difficulty 10 that is 6:00 compared to a song that is consistantly difficulty 10 that is 1:30. Lag, twitchy finger, etc.

If you assume that the length factors into the songs you're comparing new songs to, it makes more sense that the length would factor into the one you're trying to gauge.

**Kekeb** · 02-21-2008, 02:23 PM

For example Brooks Was Here... that song is "challenging" but look at the song length, very short. I sight read AAA'd it (un-recorded)

Also another thing. Songs should not only be rated lower but some higher. For examples those long emo songs in rock. AAA'ing those, a pain.

omgitznpv · 02-21-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kekeb

For example Brooks Was Here... that song is "challenging" but look at the song length, very short. I sight read AAA'd it (un-recorded)

If that song was 3 minutes or longer with the same difficulty steps throughout, I doubt many could sightread AAA it lol

**remedy1502** · 02-21-2008, 03:35 PM

This song is weird for me... I got 1-0-0-4 lol

**Rebirth0** · 02-21-2008, 03:50 PM

Its a Challenging. Reason is because its short AND once the avmiss fix goes public, it'll be a lot easier to combo.

When the avmiss fix goes public, expect a lot of Challenging or harder songs to have their difficulties changed

**Coolboyrulez0** · 02-21-2008, 03:52 PM

subscriber 9
non subscriber 10

end of topic

-Yukari- · 02-21-2008, 03:53 PM

Man, I guess I will just always disagree. Oh well.

**jimerax** · 02-21-2008, 04:56 PM

My difficulty rating w/ avemiss = 10

02-21-2008, 09:11 AM	#2
EDEdDNEdDYFaN FFR Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,118	Re: Over The Frail Dream I believe tass said that had the song been a little longer, it would have been very challenging. But since the song is so short, only challenging. __________________

02-21-2008, 09:20 AM	#3
bluguerrilla FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 41 Posts: 3,966	Re: Over The Frail Dream Index friendly stream is hard for me to combo, fun sim though. I agree, it's a 9. I'd say Survive is also a 9 but feh. __________________

02-21-2008, 09:20 AM	#4
Adamaja456 Absurd Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 31 Billion Club, WA Age: 33 Posts: 6,433	Re: Over The Frail Dream yea its pretty easy and the streams are not that long. btw, i love this song. __________________ 582 Tier Points(Tier 3) 602 AAAs(517+23+62) People who bought me subscriptions/tokens: DrugstoreCowboy(1 month) ELRayford(3 months) ~GJampa(3 months) Jerry DB(3 months) 4th place in Gamewhore Competition(3 months) Phynx(FGJ album and Dendrite V2) dragon890x(1 year) Slide(1 year)

02-21-2008, 12:34 PM	#10
Go_Oilers_Go <<Insert Title Here>> Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Regina, SK, Canada Age: 34 Posts: 1,436	Re: Over The Frail Dream I just suck. So it makes no difference to me.

02-21-2008, 02:23 PM	#14
Kekeb davai Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 33 Posts: 2,765	Re: Over The Frail Dream For example Brooks Was Here... that song is "challenging" but look at the song length, very short. I sight read AAA'd it (un-recorded) Also another thing. Songs should not only be rated lower but some higher. For examples those long emo songs in rock. AAA'ing those, a pain. Last edited by Kekeb; 02-21-2008 at 02:26 PM..

02-21-2008, 03:35 PM	#16
remedy1502 remederpin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 31 Posts: 4,884	Re: Over The Frail Dream This song is weird for me... I got 1-0-0-4 lol

02-21-2008, 03:50 PM	#17
Rebirth0 FFR Originalbro Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Age: 33 Posts: 8,750	Re: Over The Frail Dream Its a Challenging. Reason is because its short AND once the avmiss fix goes public, it'll be a lot easier to combo. When the avmiss fix goes public, expect a lot of Challenging or harder songs to have their difficulties changed

02-21-2008, 03:52 PM	#18
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: Over The Frail Dream subscriber 9 non subscriber 10 end of topic

02-21-2008, 04:56 PM	#20
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Over The Frail Dream My difficulty rating w/ avemiss = 10

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