TWG XC: Deja Vu

[FictionJunction]

serious time

fikshonjunkshon 7:39 pm
    blegh
fikshonjunkshon 7:40 pm
    MAAKIILAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    syhto wouldn't worry about it
    it's not like my credibility didn't take a dive
    I had a long conversation with sc
    thinking he was u84
    ahahahahahaha
fikshonjunkshon 7:41 pm
    I thought it was great
    he's like
    fic, uhm
    I didn't do any of that
    then it hit me
    so all my secrets
    gooonneee
    but it made me curious
    why on earth does he care about the seer having come out to me
    of all people.
    he asked me
    and he has no business asking that
    maybe I should just kill him too
    really, I think this is how arfo feels
    I don't like it ;_;
    maybe we were right about makilaz
    and emerald
    and sc is one of the two wolves left
fikshonjunkshon 7:43 pm
    and he took initiative
    that isn't rare
    MAYBE
    brb, long post about it
    except not
    we're pretty terrible
    this game has been craaaappp
    I didn't vote for makilaz
    and I didn't vote for emerald
    I protected myself from affiliation
    that's pretty good imo
    I can't work alone though, anyway
    syhto,sc, a2p, etc
    are on that not-seered green list
    a2p is a very, very ambiguous player.
    he coiuld go either way at this point
fikshonjunkshon 7:49 pm
    syhto's relationship to makilaz separate them
    so if makilaz wans't a wolf
    then syhto could be
    but if syhto is
    makilaz wasn't
    same with arfo
    but I'm 100% on arfo
    I refuse to believe he's red
    tupac seems reasonably engaged
    and sc asked me about the seer coming to me
    which bothers me on two levels
    one
    he shouldn't be asking
    two, why would he ask?
    affiliation to u84 established
    if that affiliation proves truwe
    then u84 gains suspicion
    but I don't want to tread that road
    it's too convoluted
    they wouldn't do it
    so, why
    why
    why would he care

go4it

[FictionJunction]

I urge sc to post our conversation.

[sc979]

I asked because of my other post about the seer possibly revealing themselves to you/jwc in addition to u84

[sc979]

here

Sunday, November 08, 2009
fikshonjunkshon (11:28:16 PM):	ok
fikshonjunkshon (11:28:20 PM):	so I'm on a pc now
fikshonjunkshon (11:28:32 PM):	the only thing that made me even consider coming back was your attitude
fikshonjunkshon (11:28:46 PM):	you seemed legitimately pissed off and that shows me you give a ****.
fikshonjunkshon (11:29:08 PM):	I'm going to jack in the box now but I'll be back in 5 - 10 minutes
fikshonjunkshon (11:29:21 PM):	I can give you any information you need from me
fikshonjunkshon (11:29:23 PM):	if you want it.
fikshonjunkshon (11:29:30 PM):	but that's as far as our relationship goes
fikshonjunkshon (11:29:37 PM):	because I can't do anything, not in my position
fikshonjunkshon (11:30:30 PM):	if not you can go back to disliking my attitude, not understanding where I'm coming from and possibly lynching the wrong person
fikshonjunkshon (11:30:41 PM):	because as far as I'm concerned, I'm human and I know what I'm talking about.
fikshonjunkshon (11:30:56 PM):	that is all. I'll be back in 10 minutes if you're interested.
sam97379 (11:33:09 PM):	mh
sam97379 (11:33:13 PM):	was in the bathroom
fikshonjunkshon (11:41:57 PM):	anyway yeah
fikshonjunkshon (11:43:33 PM):	only if you're interested
sam97379 (11:43:48 PM):	sure
fikshonjunkshon (11:43:57 PM):	what do you want to know
sam97379 (11:45:18 PM):	do you know who the seer is?
fikshonjunkshon (11:45:25 PM):	no
sam97379 (11:46:14 PM):	why didn't you vote for maki that day
sam97379 (11:46:21 PM):	if you thought he was a wolf
fikshonjunkshon (11:46:51 PM):	I never thought he was a wolf 100%. I had a social experiment going and it kind of backfired on me
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:01 PM):	what surprised me the most was that
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:24 PM):	nobody ever noted how ridiculously exagerated my accusations were
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:28 PM):	if not my determination
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:30 PM):	it was too random
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:35 PM):	people called me out on it
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:38 PM):	but still took it seriously.
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:49 PM):	I managed to convince arfo and syhto to vote for makilaz
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:00 PM):	I did this to see who would be willing to do it
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:10 PM):	if any of them showed any immediate resentment to the idea
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:13 PM):	a connection would be made
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:21 PM):	because why not makilaz
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:33 PM):	if you're a wolf with makilaz the answer is simple
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:44 PM):	and you wouldn't want to openly express that kind of strong opinion
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:48 PM):	without consulting your team first
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:54 PM):	it sets everything off balance
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:56 PM):	thus
fikshonjunkshon (11:49:03 PM):	I considered putting syhto and makilaz alive
fikshonjunkshon (11:49:19 PM):	because I would jump in front of a train before I consider arfo being red
fikshonjunkshon (11:49:36 PM):	I told syhto to vote for makilaz and to put pressure on him going for emeraldwhen we were all
fikshonjunkshon (11:49:43 PM):	when we  were all going for emerald*
fikshonjunkshon (11:49:50 PM):	she didn't
fikshonjunkshon (11:49:52 PM):	it worried me.
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:15 PM):	she then finally did it and was one of the most influential players in that round of votes
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:19 PM):	which also irked me a bit
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:24 PM):	I figrued, maybe they planned it
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:34 PM):	but I don't think they would have let it go that far
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:40 PM):	you know, allowing him to actually die
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:49 PM):	I told makilaz we'd do the same against syhto
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:01 PM):	but he backed out. he backed off from accussing me of being a wolf, too.
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:10 PM):	which was also very, very random of him
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:13 PM):	if not vindictive
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:28 PM):	didn't you notice that in the last 10 minutes of the day phase
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:31 PM):	he said I was green?
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:41 PM):	or that chances were that I was green?
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:54 PM):	you know, makilaz. the very guy I seemed to really want lynched?
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:57 PM):	but didn't vote for?
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:04 PM):	I didn't vote for him because I didn't need to
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:06 PM):	you all killed him
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:09 PM):	I had no part in it.
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:31 PM):	I was satisfied with my experiment even at the expense of a green
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:44 PM):	but I didn't think he was green at the time, I really pushed for him being red.
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:49 PM):	maybe I'm not explaining myself properly.
sam97379 (11:52:51 PM):	so you suspect syhto now?
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:03 PM):	I don't want to, really. but I wouldn't mind seeing a campaign against her
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:10 PM):	because just look at her suspect list
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:17 PM):	it's everyone but arfo and your crew of greens.
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:27 PM):	+ me
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:32 PM):	tupac seems honest enough.
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:41 PM):	what bothers me is.. if makilaz was a wolf, syhto isn't.
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:51 PM):	unless they really went out of their way
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:55 PM):	which I hiiiiiiiiighly doubt
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:59 PM):	props to them if they did, though
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:28 PM):	the one thing that just surprised me was when I talked to makilaz the last half hour of the day phase
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:32 PM):	I told him
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:37 PM):	everything I just told youy
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:29 PM):	and I asked him to support arfo (he argued that I was more likely to be green now that you came out and posted about us being green and the whole ciorucmstances around the seer, etc etc etc)
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:38 PM):	and say I was green despite my heavy campaigning.
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:46 PM):	it would make him look crazy, though resolute
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:59 PM):	and would give me +points with everyone else.
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:12 PM):	because ultimately my goal was to go blue fishing
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:16 PM):	I won't even deny it
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:17 PM):	like why
sam97379 (11:56:27 PM):	uh
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:45 PM):	well, like I said. we're in the same position
sam97379 (11:56:49 PM):	I'm not the one who posted the seering thing
fikshonjunkshon (11:57:03 PM):	right, u84. my bad.
fikshonjunkshon (11:57:06 PM):	either way
fikshonjunkshon (11:57:44 PM):	so you're in syhto's list
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:25 PM):	what makes you stand out from that list other than the fact that you could very well have been placed there for the sake of separating each other from suspicion through affiliation?
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:34 PM):	because tupac's relationship to syhto is quite obvious
sam97379 (11:59:36 PM):	not much really
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:49 PM):	I'm not really in touch with her
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:55 PM):	vic, whatever
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:57 PM):	and you, eh?
sam97379 (11:59:59 PM):	you have a log with afro?
Monday, November 09, 2009
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:06 AM):	I don't keep logs.
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:32 AM):	the only log I saved this game was a loooooooong conersation
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:35 AM):	I had with emerald
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:36 AM):	before he died.
sam97379 (12:00:58 AM):	honestly I'm worried how neither of you have been wolved
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:06 AM):	yeah me too
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:25 AM):	it's especially excrutiating for me because
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:29 AM):	I really don't believe he's a wolf
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:34 AM):	and that's obviously incrimintaes me
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:41 AM):	but I don't believe he's a wolf
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:42 AM):	at all.
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:01 AM):	and if he is, he's taking enormous pleasure in seeing me break down ;_;
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:17 AM):	campaigning against him has crossed my mind many times
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:22 AM):	but I just can't
fikshonjunkshon signed off at 12:19:19 AM

[FictionJunction]

it's not your business.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Syhto

Why in the world would the wolves keep you alive if you are not a wolf yourself?

I can't figure myself. The only thing that makes any sense is that they don't see me as a threat. I definitely haven't been on my A game this time around, and my calls on who is and who is not a wolf have likely been way off.

I've waffled more than a few times when I probably should have stayed resolute.

Either that, or they don't realize that I'm solidly entrenched and I won't be lynched by humans at this point. If the wolves want me lynched, they'd have to use their voting power to get it done.

Originally Posted by Syhto

i still think mak was a wolf ;~;

Why would you think that?

Originally Posted by tupacodaman

and if you read what afro said there's nothing to show that i'm a wolf or else I'd be dead by now... his post ended up being some weird personal attack on me that everyone seems to have ignored or have no opinion on

It is never possible to prove someone is a wolf just by the things they say. I can only present what you say and give commentary for what I think this means about your intentions, both on the surface and below the surface. A wolf is green on top, but red underneath. The plan is to peal back the layers to reveal the unconscious tips to your true intentions. Things like posting in favor of believing in the seer's mouth, but then still posting things that could spread FUD. On the surface you appear to be supportive of the seer's work, but underneath the surface you appear to be bitter and hope to undermine it.

But yeah, seems like no one even read it. I'd be pissed off about that if I hadn't shifted gears so hard at the beginning of this day.

Originally Posted by conjunction junction what's your fiction

and sc asked me about the seer coming to me
which bothers me on two levels
one
he shouldn't be asking
two, why would he ask?

If you recall, I asked you the same thing. I was trying to ascertain whether you would actually be a person who the psychic should come out to, and it turns out that even apart from my lingering suspicion on you, you are not.

Don't know what the case is here, and I haven't yet read that log with sc, but just saying.

[FictionJunction]

I know you better and I felt I had no reason to question you because you would make a big deal out of whatever response I gave you. Either way, I didn't really give you a straightforward answer and we discussed what I was doing and what you would do in response. The conversation went as I expected it to go.

Sc however wasn't really going to do anything with that info. I don't see him posting as often as we do, and think about it.. what kind of revolution do you think he's bound to start with that sort of information? If it were you, you'd make a long-worded post stating several reasons why we should lynch X or suspect Y. SC plays in the background and keeps to himself. I would have surely played through AIM and tried to influence other players in your position.

tl;dr despite the obvious need-to-know rule behind seer/psychic information, there's more reason to suspect sc than arfo in regards to their questioning.

[Afrobean]

Talked to Syhto this evening and my suspicions of her are squelched for the moment.

I've got a few more things to say to her, but apparently fried bananas are more important than TWG.

[clarinet89]

Current vote count:

tupac-a2p
syhto-fic
clar-syhto

Insta is at 5 votes. Day ends in roughly 24 hours.

[Afrobean]

Preface information: u84 told me he was the seer the day he came out. He told me the plan was to hide himself in the open to make the wolves think he was a lowly green who wouldn't be worth wolfing.

Notice that syhto herself thought this might be the case, so the wolf kill NOT being one of the "seer'd greens" leads me to believe she is not a wolf. Were she a wolf, she would have gone after the seer. Panda being killed was likely a FRAMEUP, as u84 knew about the situation with Panda Express LONG before I broke the news at the beginning of the day.

(2:57:34 PM) u84 77: Hey, so I seered Panda.. luckily he wasn't psychic and only green, so I'm pretty sure he was telling the truth. So yeah, I'm alive, so I'd say I fully trust you. This may be a really good ploy on your part or something, but I'm willing to take the risk. My guess at this point is that the wolves left are the following in order of my suspicions: Sytho, Tupac, A2P and Vic. I strongly support getting sytho lynched today. After all of the very odd posts from Tupac, I support him the next day, but sadly, I'm sure that they will realize after the next night that either the seer is already dead or that the names I gave were fake when they start lynch us. I fear me or you will die the upcoming night, so it's imperitive we learn as much as possible this day phase and the time before the end of night. When you get this, please talk back, even if I'm mobile. I will answer.
(2:57:34 PM) Me <AUTO-REPLY> :  syhto, dont hate me for wanting you dead ;)
(11/9/2009 10:21:42 PM) Me: you there?
(10:21:42 PM) u8477 <AUTO-REPLY> :  Your IM has been sent to my mobile device. When I receive it, I will be able to reply. Thanks for your IM! Want your IMs forwarded to your phone? Click here
(10:40:48 PM) u84 77: Hey Afro, guess wh['s dumb.
(10:40:52 PM) u84 77: *whp's
(10:40:55 PM) Me: lol
(10:40:57 PM) Me: whats up
(10:40:59 PM) u84 77: **who's dammit
(10:41:21 PM) u84 77: syhto is a ****ing wolf and i got it into my head she wasn't
(10:41:27 PM) Me: what
(10:41:32 PM) u84 77: she mind-****ed me
(10:41:40 PM) Me: she's not unintelligent
(10:41:43 PM) u84 77: I caught her last night, but it was too late
(10:41:48 PM) Me: caught her last night"?
(10:41:54 PM) u84 77: I was talking to her
(10:41:59 PM) u84 77: she came to me as psychic
(10:42:03 PM) Me: .......................................
(10:42:07 PM) u84 77: yeah
(10:42:12 PM) u84 77: I thought she was bull at first
(10:42:57 PM) u84 77: But then she completely caught me off guard later that night after a good time with some homemade stuff

(10:43:09 PM) u84 77: I told her i was seer
(10:43:13 PM) Me: :|
(10:43:28 PM) Me: in that case, you're likely as good as dead
(10:43:35 PM) u84 77: Not necessarily
(10:43:39 PM) u84 77: Two things:
(10:43:43 PM) u84 77: tupac should be clear
(10:43:50 PM) u84 77: she is trying like all hell to get him lynched
(10:43:51 PM) Me: not necessarily
(10:43:55 PM) Me: did you read what I said
(10:44:05 PM) Me: has she been pushing hard on tupac BEFORE
(10:44:06 PM) u84 77: I have not yet been on the thread today
(10:44:10 PM) Me: before I attacked him
(10:44:20 PM) Me: I said it yesterday
(10:44:22 PM) Me: or this morning
(10:44:33 PM) Me: midnight shift ****s up my understanding of days
(10:44:39 PM) u84 77: Yeah but either way, she wouldn't go out on her own wolf like that
(10:44:50 PM) u84 77: Like they got into full-fledged arguments

[editor note: this has happened between wolves in the past. Not unprecedented. He'd be foolish to throw away suspicion on one player just because another player he fought with was "surely" a wolf]

(10:45:05 PM) Me: no dude
(10:45:08 PM) Me: she is a sharp one
(10:45:13 PM) u84 77: Tupac groups you and her in the same manner
(10:45:13 PM) Me: she absolutely WOULD kill her partner
(10:45:26 PM) Me: to make a SOLID relationship between them
(10:45:33 PM) u84 77: hmm..
(10:45:44 PM) Me: especially if the wolves are desperate
(10:45:46 PM) u84 77: well regardless I've got an idea to try and clear my name
(10:45:56 PM) Me: clear your name?
(10:46:03 PM) u84 77: she knows I'm the seer
(10:46:06 PM) u84 77: I'm ****ed
(10:46:14 PM) u84 77: But I think I might could weasel my way out
(10:46:30 PM) Me: if she's a wolf, you're as good as ****ed
(10:46:33 PM) Me: incidentally
(10:46:36 PM) u84 77: With some strong planning and such, i think i can do it
(10:46:42 PM) Me: what did she say regarding role reveals
(10:46:50 PM) Me: gun, emerald, maki
(10:47:01 PM) u84 77: hmm?
(10:47:07 PM) Me: she said she was the psychic right
(10:47:22 PM) Me: did you not tell her to immediately give you psychic reports?
(10:47:46 PM) u84 77: oh that okay
(10:47:47 PM) u84 77: yeah
(10:47:51 PM) u84 77: she said two wolves are left
(10:47:59 PM) Me: but which 2 we killed were wolve
(10:48:13 PM) u84 77: It doesn't say that, I don't think.
(10:48:17 PM) Me: .............
(10:48:24 PM) u84 77: At least she didn't say
(10:48:29 PM) Me: ....................
(10:48:38 PM) Me: how do you not understand something as simple
(10:48:43 PM) Me: as role reveals via psychic report
(10:48:48 PM) Me: we lynched gun at day 1
(10:48:57 PM) Me: if at beginning of day 2, there are 4 wolves, he was green
(10:48:58 PM) u84 77: oh yueah
(10:48:58 PM) u84 77: nvm
(10:49:06 PM) Me: if beginning of day 2 there are 3, he was red
(10:49:10 PM) u84 77: Sorry, no that's how i caught her
(10:49:18 PM) Me: what do you mean
(10:49:48 PM) u84 77: I remember asking her which ones she thought were the wolves and she said she didn't know and said that she thinks it might be X and gave some bull****

[editor's note: Why wasn't THIS the sign that he had nailed a wolf that he said right away. Rather than saying, "I caught her claiming to be psychic," say, "I caught her claiming to be blue and she claimed to not know who the wolves were we had gotten."] 
(10:50:00 PM) Me: LOL
(10:50:02 PM) u84 77: if she's psychic, she gets nightly reports
(10:50:05 PM) u84 77: lol
(10:50:14 PM) Me: so wait
(10:50:18 PM) u84 77: so she would know exactly who was lynched as wolf
(10:50:19 PM) Me: why did I need to wait for you
(10:50:25 PM) Me: before we just immediately go and kill her
(10:50:37 PM) u84 77: she thinks i fully trust her
(10:50:43 PM) u84 77: but anyway
(10:50:46 PM) Me: lol
(10:50:49 PM) Me: wait
(10:50:50 PM) u84 77: I need your help with this one
(10:50:52 PM) Me: I want to talk to her
(10:50:55 PM) Me: with what
(10:50:56 PM) u84 77: okay but hold on
(10:51:22 PM) u84 77: Alright
(10:51:23 PM) u84 77: so
(10:51:51 PM) u84 77: if i somehow convince her that i was lying because i still didn't trust her, she might buy it.
(10:52:10 PM) Me: waity
(10:52:10 PM) u84 77: The other way would be to find the other wolf and be like "haha, i convinced syhto i was seer. dumb bitch."
(10:52:23 PM) Me: there is nothing you can do, man
(10:52:30 PM) Me: if you try to reverse back now
(10:52:36 PM) Me: she'll know you dont trust her
(10:52:41 PM) Me: i mean
(10:52:46 PM) Me: seriously, you're dead either way
(10:53:04 PM) Me: I just want to talk to her briefly
(10:53:09 PM) u84 77: she's starting a chat

[Here is where the chat came around. I asked her basic information about being the psychic and apart from the "slipup" u84 referred to regarding her inability to name the lynched wolves, everything checked out just fine.]

(10:53:10 PM) Me: with her thinking she's on the inside
(10:53:16 PM) u84 77: right
(10:53:16 PM) Me: ok
(10:53:24 PM) Me: dont let her know that she's not trused
(10:53:40 PM) u84 77: alright
(10:53:53 PM) u84 77: there's gotta be a way though to throw her off my trail..
(10:54:01 PM) Me: there isnt
(10:54:31 PM) u84 77: alright keep talking to me here
(10:54:56 PM) Me: really bro, if she's a wolf, you're effed
(10:55:05 PM) u84 77: I'm pretty sure I am..
(10:55:30 PM) u84 77: notice how she's changed her story

[Incoming irony...]

(10:55:34 PM) u84 77: should i point it out
(10:55:49 PM) Me: i wanna get a little more out of her
(10:55:51 PM) Me: before dropping that
(10:55:52 PM) u84 77: ok
(10:58:01 PM) u84 77: she knows you know i'm seer
(10:58:40 PM) Me: im trying to subtly imply that I dont lol
(11:01:14 PM) Me: actually, you know, trusting in her might not be that bad...
(11:01:17 PM) Me: do you have the log before
(11:01:28 PM) Me: where she apparently didnt know who the wolves were of our lynches?
(11:01:38 PM) u84 77: uhh i hope so
(11:01:40 PM) u84 77: lemme check
(11:01:56 PM) Me: you ****ing better
(11:02:49 PM) Me: also: somethign else
(11:03:01 PM) Me: when she said "she was too drunk to talk TWG" and that she might slip up
(11:03:10 PM) Me: that is actually something a blue would be thinking as well as a red
(11:03:29 PM) Me: Im going to need to see that log to decide whether or not i think she's red at this point
(11:03:47 PM) u84 77: Alright
(11:03:55 PM) u84 77: But I'm telling you I don't trust her
(11:04:00 PM) u84 77: And I think I'm ****ed
(11:04:12 PM) Me: well
(11:04:27 PM) Me: like I said before when I was attacking her
(11:04:48 PM) Me: if a wolf is told who the seer is, they will absolutely attack them if that person could reasonably be attacked anyway
(11:05:03 PM) Me: you being a seer'd green would be a logical kill choice, as it doesn't help us
(11:05:08 PM) Me: and ti also severs our tie tothe seer
(11:05:26 PM) u84 77: Ehh, I don't know, though.
(11:05:32 PM) u84 77: Hold on the IM Archive is loading up
(11:05:41 PM) Me: IM archive loading up???
(11:06:02 PM) u84 77: Like, you click on show history
(11:06:06 PM) u84 77: im history
(11:06:12 PM) u84 77: and the im archive of your ims
(11:06:18 PM) Me: you should use pidgin
(11:06:21 PM) u84 77: opens up on IE
(11:06:21 PM) Me: loads instantly
(11:06:26 PM) u84 77: oh really?
(11:06:28 PM) Me: durpa
(11:06:30 PM) u84 77: i just might
(11:06:35 PM) u84 77: this computer is SO slow

[editor's note: notice that it took him -6 minutes- to get this little snippet. Syhto provided a FULL LOG much more quickly (took about 4 minutes from me mentioning it to having it in hand) and without giving BS reasons for how long it took.]

(11:11:35 PM) u84 77: u84 77 (7:43:52 PM):Now you said there are two wolves left?amanetora (7:44:04 PM):yes, there are twou84 77 (7:44:13 PM):Who were they?amanetora (7:44:31 PM):all i get is a count of humans and a count of wolvesamanetora (7:44:38 PM):the wolf count is 2u84 77 (7:44:49 PM):Oh, so it doesn't say who or anything?amanetora (7:44:54 PM):no, it doesn'tu84 77 (7:45:06 PM):That sucks..amanetora (7:45:19 PM):i believe that one of the wolves was maki though.
(11:11:38 PM) u84 77: dammit
(11:11:42 PM) u84 77: tried to seperate it
(11:11:45 PM) u84 77: whatever
(11:12:07 PM) Me: :|
(11:12:33 PM) Me: hold on
(11:12:54 PM) u84 77: k
(11:20:15 PM) u84 77: What say ye?

[editor's note: THe next entry from me is the "same" snippet from a FULL log that I got from Syhto. A full log that I got -within a couple minutes-. I don't see how she could have faked this whole log that quickly. ]

(11:20:22 PM) Me: u84 77 (6:43:46 PM):	Now you said there are two wolves left?
amanetora (6:43:58 PM):	yes, there are two
u84 77 (6:44:07 PM):	Is that just two reds?
amanetora (6:44:25 PM):	all i get is a count of humans and a count of wolves
amanetora (6:44:31 PM):	the wolf count is 2
u84 77 (6:44:43 PM):	Oh, so it doesn't say how many green and how many red?
amanetora (6:44:47 PM):	no, it doesn't
u84 77 (6:45:00 PM):	That's relieving then
amanetora (6:45:13 PM):	i believe that one of the wolves left is indeed the mw.
u84 77 (6:45:25 PM):	That blows.. 
u84 77 (6:45:37 PM):	Have you any information on suspects?

[notice that he doesn't seem at all interested in WHICH TWO wolves were killed. She says "there are two wolves killed, he doesn't ask. Later on in the log she says it was Maki and Gun]

(11:20:53 PM) Me: so, I can be sure that either you or her is a wolf
(11:21:04 PM) u84 77: Wtf?
(11:21:19 PM) u84 77: that sly little bitch..
(11:21:37 PM) Me: :\
(11:22:02 PM) Me: so we can go ahead with killing her
(11:22:07 PM) Me: but im going to be pissed at endgame
(11:22:09 PM) Me: if you were a wolf
(11:22:26 PM) u84 77: As funny as that would be, I'm not.
(11:22:32 PM) Me: because it'd mean that I greatly underestimated you
(11:22:46 PM) u84 77: But I'm really ****ing sweating getting wolfed..
(11:22:58 PM) Me: I wouldnt even think wacky fiction to be sharp enough to come up with a fake plan that would play out the way your tactic has played out
(11:23:14 PM) Me: well seriously dude, you havent exactly been that tight with the info
(11:23:32 PM) u84 77: lol that's the way i play i guess
(11:23:38 PM) Me: I mean, imagine a scenario where syhto is really the psychic and im red
(11:23:47 PM) Me: you'd both be ****ed up the ass
(11:23:53 PM) u84 77: nah
(11:23:57 PM) u84 77: you'd have killed me already
(11:24:15 PM) Me: no, I would have kept you alive and subtlely directed you away from my partners
(11:24:22 PM) Me: so long as I was sure you trusted me
(11:24:33 PM) u84 77: I see the possibility, i just get the sense
(11:24:44 PM) u84 77: That you're hume and she's wolf

[notice that according to his claims, neither of us have been seer'd. He told me last night that PANDA was seer'd green, but he told Syhto that I had been seer'd green.]

(11:24:51 PM) u84 77: it's a bit too late for her
(11:24:54 PM) u84 77: but seriously
(11:25:24 PM) u84 77: if maybe i talk to everyone left and be like "haha dumb bitch syhto thinks im seer," it might get back to her and i could live another phase
(11:25:56 PM) Me: maybe not so crude
(11:26:10 PM) u84 77: well no
(11:26:12 PM) Me: but you could subtlely mention you had a plan in place where you could sacrifice yourself for the seer
(11:26:15 PM) u84 77: jyst an example
(11:26:18 PM) u84 77: right
(11:26:22 PM) u84 77: that's what i was thinking
(11:26:30 PM) Me: like "yeah, Ive hinted to a few players Im the seer, so they might go after me instead of the real seer"
(11:26:42 PM) u84 77: Yeah.
(11:26:47 PM) Me: itd have to be sure to be at least one wolf though
(11:26:53 PM) u84 77: right
(11:27:02 PM) u84 77: so i already started that with tupac
(11:27:04 PM) Me: you could just contact all of the unknowns
(11:27:15 PM) u84 77: but i'll try it with fic, a2p and vic as well
(11:27:17 PM) Me: there is only like 3 or 4 in the unknown pool
(11:27:35 PM) Me: vic definitely, fiction and a2p not as much
(11:27:43 PM) u84 77: why not?
(11:27:51 PM) u84 77: i'd say they're just as likely
(11:27:53 PM) Me: theyre seer'd green and unlikely to be wolves
(11:27:56 PM) u84 77: well not just as
(11:27:57 PM) Me: you dont need to tell EVERY wolf
(11:27:58 PM) u84 77: but still
(11:28:02 PM) Me: if you tell EVERY wolf
(11:28:07 PM) Me: they might realize whats up
(11:28:12 PM) Me: and figure you told EVERY player
(11:28:21 PM) u84 77: true..
(11:28:29 PM) u84 77: but how can we be sure of the wolf?
(11:28:31 PM) Me: so maybe try and decide who could be wolves together
(11:28:36 PM) Me: and only contact one from each group
(11:29:11 PM) u84 77: hmm..
(11:29:17 PM) u84 77: alright that's a good plan
(11:29:29 PM) u84 77: alright, well i gotta hit the sack
(11:29:39 PM) Me: :|
(11:29:55 PM) Me: so I guess we're waiting until the last second to put the lynch on syhto?
(11:29:57 PM) u84 77: you think you could maybe give that a start for me and send me a pm so i can continue it tomorrow before night phase ends?
(11:30:02 PM) u84 77: yeah
(11:30:15 PM) u84 77: I'd like to string her along and maybe get some info first

tl;dr: u84 is a wolf. There are only 2 wolves left. Logically, one of the wolves is among u84's named "seer'd greens". And finally, following this train of thought, fiction is the sort of person who would think up faking red in this way, knowing I'd trust it completely and argue strongly in favor of it. u84 could potentially have thought it all up on his own though, and it could instead be jwc who is the fourth wolf.

[Syhto]

Note: Convoluted. Refer primarily to bolded sections.

psychic reveal

amanetora (3:52:42 PM):	hmm
amanetora (3:55:24 PM):	alright here's the scoop, there are 2 wolves
 left.
amanetora (3:58:18 PM):	i don't know if I'm making a mistake telling
 you, in case you are a wolf, but I'm taking that chance so that the humans
 can win this, and not make more mistakes.
amanetora (3:59:24 PM):	Afro stated it in thread, that there are 3 
days to try before we lose. We need to get our ****ing act together.
amanetora (4:00:01 PM):	The psychic doesn't mean much, and that 
is until the end.
amanetora (4:00:31 PM):	It does help the seer, but... too risky. it
 was just too risky.
amanetora (4:01:14 PM):	So I'm telling you now, when you get this,
 do not tell anyone else. We don't know who the wolves are. I'm going to ask 
you and see if there is a more narrow pool to choose from, now, so that we 
don't make a big mistake.
u84 77 (6:33:05 PM):	Damnit..
u84 77 (6:33:16 PM):	Why didn't you come out yesterday?
amanetora (6:34:53 PM):	like i said in the thread, i didn't really know 
if your coming out was legit
amanetora (6:34:59 PM):	i thought you may have been a wolf
amanetora (6:35:09 PM):	but after mak was lynched i didn't
u84 77 (6:35:39 PM):	I would have been ten times more helpful if you 
came out before the end of the previous night phase..
amanetora (6:36:01 PM):	sorry =/
amanetora (6:36:49 PM):	i just asked to make sure no false psychics
 had come out to you, fearing a wolf had. if that would have been the case i
 would have told you immediately
u84 77 (6:37:25 PM):	Well, there's a good number of people left who 
strongly believe you to be a wolf..
amanetora (6:37:27 PM):	but I'm looking at being lynched by afro and
 I can't have that happen if there's any hope for the humans
amanetora (6:38:18 PM):	most likely because they aren't used to me 
playing and I'm pretty aggressive. afro says it's because I'm a wolf. But really
 I was like this in ever other game as well. His reasoning is kind of pissing me 
off atm
u84 77 (6:39:07 PM):	But what say ye about the ruritsu deal?
amanetora (6:39:19 PM):	what abour ruritsu?
amanetora (6:39:31 PM):	the entire thing never even happened, at
 least I don't remember it happening
amanetora (6:39:38 PM):	I went to afro and told him on aim but 
never got a reply
u84 77 (6:39:50 PM):	What did you tell him?
amanetora (6:39:53 PM):	afro?
u84 77 (6:39:56 PM):	yeah
amanetora (6:40:10 PM):	i asked him when panda had every told me 
that
amanetora (6:40:14 PM):	ever*
amanetora (6:40:45 PM):	i talked to panda once on msn and another couple of times on aim
amanetora (6:41:11 PM):	but i don't have msn logs. however, i think i
 would have DEFINITELY remembered if he had told me that...
u84 77 (6:41:51 PM):	Alright, well I'll disregard my suspivcions a little and 
relay your information to the seer, but I see no benefits in the seer coming out to you.
u84 77 (6:42:23 PM):	I can tell you he/she isn't going to trust you, but as
 long as your information is given to him/her, it shouldn't matter
amanetora (6:42:27 PM):	that is fine
u84 77 (6:43:08 PM):	If you die, I'm going to post this conversation
amanetora (6:43:17 PM):	that's ok with me
u84 77 (6:43:20 PM):	alright
u84 77 (6:43:37 PM):	Well thank you for coming out finally.
u84 77 (6:43:46 PM):	Now you said there are two wolves left?
amanetora (6:43:58 PM):	yes, there are two
u84 77 (6:44:07 PM):	Is that just two reds?
amanetora (6:44:25 PM):	all i get is a count of humans and a count of wolves
amanetora (6:44:31 PM):	the wolf count is 2
u84 77 (6:44:43 PM):	Oh, so it doesn't say how many green and how many red?
amanetora (6:44:47 PM):	no, it doesn't
u84 77 (6:45:00 PM):	That's relieving then
amanetora (6:45:13 PM):	i believe that one of the wolves left is indeed the mw.
u84 77 (6:45:25 PM):	That blows.. 
u84 77 (6:45:37 PM):	Have you any information on suspects?
amanetora (6:46:08 PM):	hmm... i am thinking... but i have nothing solid.
amanetora (6:46:14 PM):	only my own speculation as to who is left
amanetora (6:46:32 PM):	mostly those who have not said much or have been fishy, like vicc and tupa
amanetora (6:46:53 PM):	however i think there is a possibility that the wolf team was comprised of mostly vets
amanetora (6:47:00 PM):	afro is kind of making me wonder.
u84 77 (6:47:17 PM):	He;s green
u84 77 (6:47:33 PM):	Was seered last night phase
amanetora (6:47:34 PM):	thank god then
u84 77 (6:47:41 PM):	now he could be MW, but highly unlikely
amanetora (6:47:48 PM):	it's hard to tell with afro
amanetora (6:47:57 PM):	for now i will trust that he is human
amanetora (6:48:42 PM):	i don't know about fiction either, however i 
had the sneaking suspicion he was also blue
u84 77 (6:49:10 PM):	He was one of the greens I cardflipped in the thread
amanetora (6:49:25 PM):	i know, but i figured it may have been part 
of the plan to put the seers name in there.
amanetora (6:49:34 PM):	although I don't know why
amanetora (6:49:41 PM):	as some sort of wolf deterrent
amanetora (6:49:50 PM):	perhaps.
u84 77 (6:50:03 PM):	****..
u84 77 (6:50:07 PM):	That would have been a good idea
amanetora (6:50:11 PM):	lol
amanetora (6:50:30 PM):	if you haven't noticed, the greens you mentioned haven't been wolfed
amanetora (6:50:33 PM):	so I think so too
u84 77 (6:51:16 PM):	They assume that we're not the seer or the psychic, so ****
amanetora (6:51:24 PM):	it really did narrow the pool for them
amanetora (6:51:34 PM):	which makes sense why people not listed are being wolfed...
amanetora (6:51:48 PM):	if i am not lynched today i may be wolfed.
amanetora (6:52:03 PM):	but that is better than being lynched.
u84 77 (6:52:18 PM):	Why would they wolf a possbile easy lynch kill?
amanetora (6:52:49 PM):	that's true... but i am rather good at 
putting the suspicion on others as well. i was wolfed early on last game. i 
think they may be keeping me around for that reason exactly
amanetora (6:52:54 PM):	but if it doesn't pull through...
amanetora (6:52:59 PM):	they human pool is getting smaller
amanetora (6:53:13 PM):	the
amanetora (6:53:39 PM):	but with their current trend, it will probably
 be someone that is not as active
amanetora (6:53:46 PM):	it seems as though they are wolfing inactive players
amanetora (6:54:07 PM):	panda... wasn't that active in-thread.
 neither was ruritsu, i think he posted once?
u84 77 (6:54:21 PM):	I don't recall a ruritsyu post actually
amanetora (6:54:44 PM):	i think he only posted once to vote, i need
 to check again. but.. wait, who was wolfed before panda
u84 77 (6:54:51 PM):	uhh
amanetora (6:55:03 PM):	all that went on made me forget i guess lol
u84 77 (6:55:12 PM):	gun maybe?
u84 77 (6:55:18 PM):	or was he lynched
amanetora (6:55:20 PM):	gun was ly.. yes
u84 77 (6:55:21 PM):	he
amanetora (6:55:26 PM):	gun was a wolf
u84 77 (6:55:27 PM):	**** who was it?
u84 77 (6:55:31 PM):	manti was night 1
amanetora (6:55:34 PM):	yes
u84 77 (6:55:37 PM):	night 2..
amanetora (6:55:43 PM):	i think ruri was night 2
u84 77 (6:55:57 PM):	yeah that makes sense
amanetora (6:56:05 PM):	oh...
amanetora (6:56:09 PM):	freezin was wolfed
amanetora (6:56:15 PM):	night before last
u84 77 (6:56:18 PM):	oh okay
amanetora (6:56:23 PM):	he was not as active either, comparatively
amanetora (6:56:31 PM):	that's the only real trend im getting from this
amanetora (6:56:41 PM):	because the newbies vs. vet thing isn't a 
good trend
amanetora (6:56:48 PM):	ruritsu and manti are both older players
u84 77 (6:56:59 PM):	Wait, wah?!
amanetora (6:57:08 PM):	wait wah what
u84 77 (6:57:16 PM):	ruritsu?
u84 77 (6:57:32 PM):	He started like a year ago
amanetora (6:57:37 PM):	that is older than the others
amanetora (6:57:52 PM):	than the other newbies wolfed lol
amanetora (6:57:59 PM):	like panda started last game


....


amanetora (7:28:03 PM):	i want to make sure humans win this, and if 
they do i may try to host next game. if they don't ill probably want to play 
again for practice and to make sure humans know what the hell they're doing
u84 77 (7:28:26 PM):	like last game i was a wolf with manti and i literally
 didn't have to do anything
u84 77 (7:28:32 PM):	it was so boring
u84 77 (7:28:35 PM):	wolves just dominated
amanetora (7:28:39 PM):	manti dominated
amanetora (7:28:40 PM):	lol.
u84 77 (7:28:49 PM):	well, it really could have been anyone
u84 77 (7:28:57 PM):	but it was because the humes just sat on their asses
u84 77 (7:29:10 PM):	i like games where your position is constantly questioned
amanetora (7:29:18 PM):	as soon as any human spoke up they were 
lynched, i'm glad wolves didn't take that approach and gave people sort of a 
shot..
amanetora (7:29:21 PM):	in talking it out
u84 77 (7:29:26 PM):	like afro
amanetora (7:29:30 PM):	but maybe that's the bad thing about it
u84 77 (7:29:36 PM):	lol why haven't they killed him, i don'y know
amanetora (7:29:36 PM):	I NOW RIGHT
amanetora (7:29:38 PM):	K
amanetora (7:29:47 PM):	thats why im like what the ****
u84 77 (7:29:53 PM):	I like afro, though, so I'm glad they didn't
u84 77 (7:30:01 PM):	but you're gonna prolly get screwed by him
u84 77 (7:30:06 PM):	in a bad way
amanetora (7:30:06 PM):	he is screwing me over
amanetora (7:30:27 PM):	not just me, but really the team. unless 
he's a wolf, but you know, I don't know what to think.
amanetora (7:30:40 PM):	I keep entertaining the thought but can i 
get people to turn it arounf on him?
u84 77 (7:30:42 PM):	yeah but he did lead us to kill two wolves, right?
amanetora (7:30:46 PM):	actually
amanetora (7:30:54 PM):	gun was a wolf, and he didn't want to kill 
him.
amanetora (7:30:57 PM):	emerald wasn't a wolf.
amanetora (7:31:07 PM):	brb, dinner
u84 77 (7:31:11 PM):	?
amanetora (7:31:17 PM):	i have brie in the oven
u84 77 (7:31:21 PM):	oh okay
amanetora (7:35:19 PM):	ok back
u84 77 (7:35:43 PM):	alright
u84 77 (7:35:55 PM):	well, a few things for you to consider before you go
 after afro
u84 77 (7:36:14 PM):	He knows who the seer is and has since before night phase
u84 77 (7:36:19 PM):	and he didn't kill the seer
amanetora (7:36:35 PM):	o_O
u84 77 (7:36:42 PM):	and two, he was seered green last night, so
amanetora (7:37:19 PM):	then i may just have to go for tupa, who is
 the most likely guess that I have..
u84 77 (7:37:38 PM):	him or vic in my opinion
amanetora (7:38:13 PM):	personally, i think vic is just stupid, not a 
wolf. the same thing happened to me last game. I thought she was just a 
stupid wolf. but she was a stupid human.
amanetora (7:38:24 PM):	but i still suspect her
u84 77 (7:38:39 PM):	hmm..
u84 77 (7:38:45 PM):	then you must be a wolf
u84 77 (7:38:47 PM):	lol jk
u84 77 (7:38:54 PM):	but if not her who else then?
u84 77 (7:39:06 PM):	you think perhaps fiction is the MW?
amanetora (7:39:27 PM):	hmmm.. maybe. but for some reason I just
 don't think he is a wolf. do you think he is?
amanetora (7:39:42 PM):	i've never been in a game or seen a game
 with him as wolf
amanetora (7:39:47 PM):	i really have no idea what to think
u84 77 (7:39:50 PM):	i don't know, I'm just trying to think of wolf
 piossibilities
u84 77 (7:39:56 PM):	*possibilities
amanetora (7:41:14 PM):	i would say sc, but I think he's the seer lol
amanetora (7:41:47 PM):	he's another person that hasn't talked much
u84 77 (7:41:59 PM):	..
u84 77 (7:42:07 PM):	I think I gotta tell you
amanetora (7:42:19 PM):	what?
u84 77 (7:42:44 PM):	You're gonna make me do it, lol
amanetora (7:43:10 PM):	:|
u84 77 (7:43:29 PM):	Well, I like chance
u84 77 (7:43:38 PM):	I usually have a good judgement on these things..
u84 77 (7:43:41 PM):	So here goes
u84 77 (7:43:43 PM):	I'm the seer
amanetora (7:43:53 PM):	i was trying to figure out who the seer was by process of elimi-- whatttt
u84 77 (7:44:05 PM):	Yep
amanetora (7:44:11 PM):	you're so sly
u84 77 (7:44:20 PM):	Lol, I know
u84 77 (7:44:29 PM):	I tried so hard to seem stupid to everyone
amanetora (7:44:45 PM):	i absolutely applaud you
u84 77 (7:44:48 PM):	like when you suggested listing the seer as a green and I was like wah?
u84 77 (7:44:50 PM):	Yeah.
u84 77 (7:44:53 PM):	Thank you
amanetora (7:45:09 PM):	i crossed you off my list as a seer possibility
amanetora (7:45:21 PM):	i was trying to figure out who the damn seer was
amanetora (7:45:32 PM):	by going to people and asking them if they had talked to you
amanetora (7:45:37 PM):	so i wouldn't have to go through you
amanetora (7:45:38 PM):	lmfao.
u84 77 (7:46:02 PM):	lol
u84 77 (7:46:03 PM):	yeah
u84 77 (7:46:17 PM):	so let's just say i'm pretty sure the seer will get your information
amanetora (7:48:24 PM):	i'm still surprised
u84 77 (7:48:51 PM):	I know, haha
u84 77 (7:49:00 PM):	so yeah I told afro before night phase
u84 77 (7:49:03 PM):	and im still here
u84 77 (7:49:06 PM):	so i trust him
amanetora (7:49:21 PM):	so what do you think we need to do this 
day phase? if that's true I'm knocking afro off of my list. see, i didn't know he knew who the seer was.
amanetora (7:50:07 PM):	a wolf definitely wold have wolfed you if he
 had known, knowing no one else was told. which is probably the case, and if
 it wasn't he could have denied. as such, I'm led to think that either fic is 
mw, and i should go for him.. or that one of the others I spoke of is
amanetora (7:50:29 PM):	i think it's more of a longshot to go for fic right now
amanetora (7:50:35 PM):	I may leave that for tomorrow
amanetora (7:50:42 PM):	(next day phase)
u84 77 (7:52:08 PM):	see why i was thinking how i did?

[Syhto]

chat with the 3 of us

Afrobean16 (9:54:16 PM): ok so
u84 77 (9:54:19 PM) has entered the room.
Afrobean16 (9:54:22 PM): who of the people we lynched were wolves?
amanetora (9:54:34 PM): gun and mak
u84 77 (9:54:48 PM): oh really?
amanetora (9:54:51 PM): yeah.
amanetora (9:55:12 PM): emerald wasn't a wolf
Afrobean16 (9:55:29 PM): why didnt you come sooner
amanetora (9:55:33 PM): I thought he was at the time though
amanetora (9:56:04 PM): i think I explained this, but I just didn't have any
 real use for it because of the risk of u84 being mw, which is truly what i thought at the time
amanetora (9:56:13 PM): not until after mak was lynched and was a wolf
amanetora (9:56:18 PM): did i think he was really green
Afrobean16 (9:56:46 PM): I explained quite clearly in the thread why u84
 was to be trusted
amanetora (9:56:59 PM): i ignored you because i thought you were a wolf
 too lmfao
amanetora (9:57:05 PM): i thought you were a wolf until last night.
Afrobean16 (9:57:14 PM): if he had been wolfed instead of panda, that 
would have severed the one connection to the seer
Afrobean16 (9:57:24 PM): ............
amanetora (9:57:48 PM): it was elaborate
amanetora (9:57:52 PM): but I had no better ideas
amanetora (9:57:58 PM): I decided to play it safe for me personally
Afrobean16 (9:58:17 PM): you should have gone to u84 immediately when it
 was clear no one was counterclaiming his claims
amanetora (9:58:41 PM): i apologize
Afrobean16 (9:58:49 PM): :|
amanetora (9:58:51 PM): everyone I talked too was full of suspicion, or 
seemed to be
amanetora (9:58:58 PM): I thought I was being safe
Afrobean16 (9:59:16 PM): u84 was the least suspicious among the named
 seer'd greens even
amanetora (9:59:43 PM): he hadn't talked almost the entire game until that
 moment. how was he not suspicious? Is that why? I just thought it very odd
Afrobean16 (9:59:49 PM): why did you bother seriously responding to my
 accusations in the thread
amanetora (9:59:50 PM): I went and asked people if they had talked to him 
prior
amanetora (9:59:53 PM): everyone said no
Afrobean16 (10:00:07 PM): less suspicious than fiction and jwc
Afrobean16 (10:00:10 PM): who has said even less
amanetora (10:00:27 PM): true jwc hasn't said diddly
u84 77 (10:00:39 PM): He was a last minute sub
u84 77 (10:00:42 PM): he really couldn't care
Afrobean16 (10:00:47 PM): probably doesnt even know he's playing lmao
amanetora (10:00:53 PM): that's what I was thinking
amanetora (10:01:05 PM): he hasnt voted for like the past 2 days or something lol
amanetora (10:02:07 PM): i talked to fiction today
amanetora (10:02:16 PM): I don't think he's a wolf den
u84 77 (10:02:27 PM): what'd he say?
amanetora (10:03:05 PM): A lot. A lot of rambling and going in circles, kept
 confusing me. He said things about afro definitely being human the like etc.
 And he talked about me being suspicious, and was just seemed pretty 
honest to me.
amanetora (10:03:20 PM): I thought he was being rather manipulative for
 awhile there because of his posting vs. aiming ratio
amanetora (10:03:26 PM): but he sort of explained it without me asking
amanetora (10:04:09 PM): basically he says he gave up hope in the game of
 the humans winning and quit, but is giving it one last shot.
u84 77 (10:04:38 PM): lol oh
u84 77 (10:04:43 PM): yeah he only told me he was quitting
amanetora (10:04:52 PM): he thought you were sc
amanetora (10:04:54 PM): hahahaha
Afrobean16 (10:06:49 PM): so syhto
Afrobean16 (10:06:56 PM): 2 wolves down, who are the other 2
u84 77 (10:07:14 PM): lol wah?
amanetora (10:07:18 PM): im thinking either tupa/sc for one, not sure about
 the other.
u84 77 (10:07:20 PM): not you afro
amanetora (10:07:43 PM): its definitely afro
amanetora (10:07:51 PM): him not killing you is a clever ruse
u84 77 (10:08:04 PM): no no i was asking you what fic thought about me
 being sc
amanetora (10:08:14 PM): oh
amanetora (10:08:20 PM): ohhhh
amanetora (10:08:30 PM): he was just dumb or something
amanetora (10:08:40 PM): he was talking to you the whole time thinking you
 were sc
u84 77 (10:08:57 PM): oh wow
u84 77 (10:09:01 PM): u8477?
amanetora (10:09:07 PM): apparently so
u84 77 (10:09:08 PM): strangely similar to u84..
amanetora (10:09:12 PM): because I went to him
amanetora (10:09:15 PM): last night
amanetora (10:09:21 PM): remember when I said he wasn't responding?
amanetora (10:09:25 PM): he finally responded
amanetora (10:09:37 PM): and I said something about you talking to him. and he said, what? I don't remember that.
amanetora (10:09:44 PM): and i was like uh yeah hes talking to you now
amanetora (10:09:50 PM): then he realized you weren't sc.
u84 77 (10:09:56 PM): oh wow
u84 77 (10:10:00 PM): haha
Afrobean16 (10:10:40 PM): syhto
Afrobean16 (10:10:44 PM): I think you have it backwards
amanetora (10:10:57 PM): i do?
Afrobean16 (10:10:59 PM): fiction was talking to sc979 thinking it was u84
amanetora (10:11:03 PM): no no no
amanetora (10:11:09 PM): that was like 2 days ago
Afrobean16 (10:11:15 PM): oh what are you talking about then
amanetora (10:11:18 PM): when he was talking to sc
amanetora (10:11:23 PM): im talking about u84 now
amanetora (10:11:26 PM): its kind of confusing
Afrobean16 (10:11:26 PM): o
u84 77 (10:11:57 PM): lol
amanetora (10:12:09 PM): wait you're right
amanetora (10:12:10 PM): wait
amanetora (10:12:12 PM): now i'm confused
amanetora (10:12:13 PM): **** it
amanetora (10:12:33 PM): HE WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE THINKING THEY
 WERE SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU TWO ARE INVOLVED
amanetora (10:12:37 PM): ok
amanetora (10:17:47 PM): yeah afro was right
amanetora (10:17:52 PM): my bad

afro & me

Afrobean16 (10:12:25 PM): do you have a log from your conversation with u84 where you revealed yourself
amanetora (10:12:45 PM): yeah i have the whole thing
Afrobean16 (10:12:54 PM): can you give it to me
amanetora (10:13:01 PM): do you want the random chatty parts too?
Afrobean16 (10:13:19 PM): there's a specific portion I want to see
amanetora (10:13:26 PM): aight
Afrobean16 (10:13:35 PM): anything after 7:40 PM
amanetora (10:13:40 PM): let me look
amanetora (10:14:02 PM): wait eastern?
Afrobean16 (10:14:29 PM): maybe just give me the whole thing just to be
 sure haha
Afrobean16 (10:14:40 PM): could you send it as a .txt file
amanetora (10:14:47 PM): i should do that
amanetora (10:15:48 PM): alright its long
amanetora (10:15:51 PM): and we talk about ffya
amanetora (10:15:53 PM): p cool
Afrobean16 (10:16:03 PM): you're talking about ffya with an 
outsider??????????????
amanetora (10:16:08 PM): YES
Afrobean16 (10:16:12 PM): AGAISNT THE RURLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLES
ATTENTION (10:17:14 PM): Transfer complete: fdfgfdgfd.txt.
Afrobean16 (10:31:00 PM): hey so uh
Afrobean16 (10:31:07 PM): i think u84 might be a wolf
Afrobean16 (10:31:40 PM): screw your fried banana I want to talk about this
amanetora (10:48:19 PM): alright what's up I ate it
Afrobean16 (10:48:36 PM): the full log you sent me conflicts with the snippet
 that u84 gave me
Afrobean16 (10:48:40 PM): annnnnnnd
amanetora (10:48:42 PM): what?
Afrobean16 (10:48:46 PM): yeah
amanetora (10:48:52 PM): what the hell
Afrobean16 (10:48:54 PM): hold on i'll copy paste the snippet he gave me
amanetora (10:49:11 PM): did you read that entire log
amanetora (10:49:12 PM): ?
Afrobean16 (10:49:15 PM): u84 77 (7:43:52 PM):Now you said there are two
 wolves left?amanetora (7:44:04 PM):yes, there are twou84 77 (7:44:13
 PM):Who were they?amanetora (7:44:31 PM):all i get is a count of humans
 and a count of wolvesamanetora (7:44:38 PM):the wolf count is 2u84 77 
(7:44:49 PM):Oh, so it doesn't say who or anything?amanetora (7:44:54
 PM):no, it doesn'tu84 77 (7:45:06 PM):That sucks..amanetora (7:45:19 
PM):i believe that one of the wolves was maki though.
Afrobean16 (10:49:18 PM): not the ENTIRE log
Afrobean16 (10:49:23 PM): but the snippet and portions following it
Afrobean16 (10:49:27 PM): both of which contradict
Afrobean16 (10:49:31 PM): and
amanetora (10:49:34 PM): what the ****.
Afrobean16 (10:49:34 PM): before he sent me that snippet
Afrobean16 (10:49:40 PM): he took a LONG time to get it
Afrobean16 (10:49:49 PM): hold on
amanetora (10:50:08 PM): that's EDITED.
amanetora (10:50:11 PM): wtf?
Afrobean16 (10:50:18 PM): (11:01:17 PM) Me: do you have the log before
(11:01:28 PM) Me: where she apparently didnt know who the wolves were of 
our lynches?
(11:01:38 PM) u84 77: uhh i hope so
(11:01:40 PM) u84 77: lemme check
(11:01:56 PM) Me: you ****ing better
(11:02:49 PM) Me: also: somethign else
(11:03:01 PM) Me: when she said "she was too drunk to talk TWG" and that
 she might slip up
(11:03:10 PM) Me: that is actually something a blue would be thinking as well 
as a red
(11:03:29 PM) Me: Im going to need to see that log to decide whether or not
 i think she's red at this point
(11:03:47 PM) u84 77: Alright
(11:03:55 PM) u84 77: But I'm telling you I don't trust her
(11:04:00 PM) u84 77: And I think I'm ****ed
(11:04:12 PM) Me: well
(11:04:27 PM) Me: like I said before when I was attacking her
(11:04:48 PM) Me: if a wolf is told who the seer is, they will absolutely 
attack them if that person could reasonably be attacked anyway
(11:05:03 PM) Me: you being a seer'd green would be a logical kill 
choice, as it doesn't help us
(11:05:08 PM) Me: and ti also severs our tie tothe seer
(11:05:26 PM) u84 77: Ehh, I don't know, though.
(11:05:32 PM) u84 77: Hold on the IM Archive is loading up
(11:05:41 PM) Me: IM archive loading up???
(11:06:02 PM) u84 77: Like, you click on show history
(11:06:06 PM) u84 77: im history
(11:06:12 PM) u84 77: and the im archive of your ims
(11:06:18 PM) Me: you should use pidgin
(11:06:21 PM) u84 77: opens up on IE
(11:06:21 PM) Me: loads instantly
(11:06:26 PM) u84 77: oh really?
(11:06:28 PM) Me: durpa
(11:06:30 PM) u84 77: i just might
(11:06:35 PM) u84 77: this computer is SO slow
(11:11:35 PM) u84 77: u84 77 (7:43:52 PM):Now you said there are two 
wolves left?
amanetora (10:50:21 PM): why would he edit it
Afrobean16 (10:50:24 PM): check time stamps
Afrobean16 (10:50:29 PM): 10 minutes to get me that snippet
Afrobean16 (10:50:42 PM): you got a FULL LOG faster
amanetora (10:51:00 PM): what if he is a wolf?
Afrobean16 (10:51:07 PM): thats EXACTLY what I was saying
amanetora (10:51:10 PM): i don't know what reason he has for that
amanetora (10:51:16 PM): that doesn't make ANY sense to me
Afrobean16 (10:51:18 PM): (11:31:03 PM) Me: hey so uh
(11:31:10 PM) Me: i think u84 might be a wolf
Afrobean16 (10:51:27 PM): exactly
Afrobean16 (10:51:31 PM): and he told you I was seer'd
Afrobean16 (10:51:36 PM): he told me that panda had been seer'd
amanetora (10:51:41 PM): ....
amanetora (10:51:53 PM): that lying sack of &^^&3
Afrobean16 (10:51:57 PM): :|
amanetora (10:52:06 PM): he probably is the one that told panda i was
 seer'd red
Afrobean16 (10:52:09 PM): that one is arguably debateable though
Afrobean16 (10:52:18 PM): you werent trusting of me, and he would want
 you to trust me
Afrobean16 (10:52:32 PM): wait what
amanetora (10:52:45 PM): yeah, didn't you get my ims from when you were
 away?
amanetora (10:53:02 PM): viccica is hardly on, and she came online so I took 
the opportunity to im her
Afrobean16 (10:53:17 PM): she was just talking to me too
Afrobean16 (10:53:22 PM): didnt say anythning of any substance though
amanetora (10:53:22 PM): she said that panda feigned seer or something 
other about me being red
Afrobean16 (10:53:31 PM): what
amanetora (10:53:34 PM): yeah
amanetora (10:53:37 PM): thats what i said
Afrobean16 (10:53:38 PM): maybe she didnt understand
Afrobean16 (10:53:49 PM): it was that panda told you ruritsu was the seer
amanetora (10:53:51 PM): i asked for logs, she said she was on her phone
Afrobean16 (10:53:53 PM): not that you had been seer'd red
amanetora (10:54:13 PM): I think she was... but from her response it made it 
seem like someone told her over aim.
amanetora (10:54:23 PM): However I'm more concerned about this u84 issue
Afrobean16 (10:54:28 PM): someone else who told her might have been mistaken
Afrobean16 (10:54:45 PM): the only thing that made me not think u84 could 
be a wolf is that the plan would be absurd for a wolf to do
Afrobean16 (10:54:54 PM): and that only someone like fiction could think of it
Afrobean16 (10:55:08 PM): and why would a wolf team who is relatively well
 off do a fake so sloppily
Afrobean16 (10:55:13 PM): but fiction knows me so well
Afrobean16 (10:55:32 PM): he would definitely know I'd trust that sort of 
thing happening BECAUSE of it being sloppy
Afrobean16 (10:55:38 PM): u84, possibly too
Afrobean16 (10:55:48 PM): the kid is far sharper than I would have given him
 credit for originally
amanetora (10:56:14 PM): what if u84 is just protecting the real seer, and is
 an idiot, though?
Afrobean16 (10:56:23 PM): he's not
amanetora (10:56:25 PM): o
Afrobean16 (10:56:36 PM): he told me practically right away he was the seer
Afrobean16 (10:56:50 PM): which, in hindsight, is exactly the sort of thing 
which would lead me trust him more
Afrobean16 (10:57:04 PM): him trusting me inclines me to trust in him
amanetora (10:57:17 PM): ugh
amanetora (10:57:47 PM): Yeah, that all makes sense. I don't want to think 
u84 is a wolf, I certainly don't. But I don't see any other reason for his log 
editing.
amanetora (10:58:01 PM): It seemed as though he was making it more 
neutral towards what I knew and didn't know as a seer
amanetora (10:58:04 PM): psychic*
Afrobean16 (10:58:26 PM): well what he told me
Afrobean16 (10:58:30 PM): is that you slipped up
Afrobean16 (10:58:36 PM): and said you didnt know who the wolves were
amanetora (10:58:42 PM): ...but i didnt
Afrobean16 (10:58:47 PM): this is why I was anxious to talk to you
Afrobean16 (10:58:59 PM): to hear this from your own mouth, or to have you
 "change your story"
Afrobean16 (10:59:12 PM): but I dont see how the log could be faked and 
the story didnt appear to change
amanetora (10:59:32 PM): he evin did a direct chat with me to see 
everything i was typing as i typed it.
Afrobean16 (10:59:46 PM): woah you can do that ****
amanetora (10:59:50 PM): yeah
Afrobean16 (10:59:50 PM): how the **** does that work
ATTENTION (10:59:54 PM): Your buddy afrobean16 needs the latest version
 of AIM to use Real-Time IM.
amanetora (10:59:57 PM): oop
amanetora (11:00:01 PM): you don't have aim
amanetora (11:00:02 PM): i forgot
Afrobean16 (11:00:07 PM): ****kkkkkkkkkk
amanetora (11:00:09 PM): hehe
Afrobean16 (11:00:10 PM): question
Afrobean16 (11:00:13 PM): when accessing logs on AIM
Afrobean16 (11:00:16 PM): does it take a long time
amanetora (11:00:20 PM): no
amanetora (11:00:23 PM): it comes up automatically
Afrobean16 (11:00:26 PM): so he lied about that too then
Afrobean16 (11:00:33 PM): he said it took a long time for the log archive to 
load
amanetora (11:00:43 PM): it comes up from the file in your comp, it takes 
like 2 secs.
Afrobean16 (11:00:46 PM): and he was "impressed" when I told him pidgin 
loads instantly
Afrobean16 (11:00:52 PM): thats what I woud have thought
amanetora (11:00:57 PM): less than 2 secs.
amanetora (11:01:04 PM): Well
amanetora (11:01:11 PM): I even saved the file, went and found the file and 
sent it
amanetora (11:01:14 PM): he just copy/pasted
amanetora (11:01:21 PM): that doesn't make sense.
Afrobean16 (11:01:33 PM): the funny part is
Afrobean16 (11:01:45 PM): if he wanted to trick me inton lynching you
Afrobean16 (11:01:50 PM): there are far more effective ways
amanetora (11:01:56 PM): like
Afrobean16 (11:01:56 PM): "I seer'd syhto last night and she was red"
amanetora (11:01:59 PM): i seer
amanetora (11:02:01 PM): -
amanetora (11:02:02 PM): yeah
Afrobean16 (11:02:03 PM): :|
amanetora (11:02:05 PM): exactly.
Afrobean16 (11:02:10 PM): annnnnnnd
Afrobean16 (11:02:14 PM): I even told him
Afrobean16 (11:02:18 PM): rather than seering you
Afrobean16 (11:02:21 PM): he should seer someone else
Afrobean16 (11:02:26 PM): and LIE that he seer'd you
Afrobean16 (11:02:50 PM): so as to ensure we'd be able to lynch you, even 
if we wouldnt be able to drum up any evidence to get support for it
Afrobean16 (11:03:00 PM): so if he wanted you lynched
Afrobean16 (11:03:05 PM): he EASILY could have gone with that
Afrobean16 (11:03:10 PM): and I wouldnt have second guessed it
amanetora (11:03:25 PM): that would be a good plan of action. if he doesn't 
want me lynched, I don't understand his ploy. I'm going to say this again and
 again until I figure this out. this is just so...
Afrobean16 (11:03:44 PM): the **** is so convoluted
amanetora (11:03:50 PM): ****ing crazy
Afrobean16 (11:03:51 PM): it screams of fiction to me
Afrobean16 (11:04:00 PM): do you know anything of u84's playing style?
amanetora (11:04:09 PM): not at all tbh
Afrobean16 (11:04:09 PM): is he prone to wild convoluted ****?
Afrobean16 (11:04:17 PM): well think
amanetora (11:04:22 PM): I've seen only a couple of games with him and he
 didn't say much
Afrobean16 (11:04:24 PM): if u84 was red
Afrobean16 (11:04:29 PM): and your psychic reports are accurate
Afrobean16 (11:04:34 PM): who would the other red likely be?
Afrobean16 (11:04:40 PM): one of the people he named as seer'd green
amanetora (11:04:54 PM): yes... That's what I told him in the log.
amanetora (11:05:04 PM): It may have been in his interest to act like that 
was a good idea
Afrobean16 (11:05:07 PM): yeah and thats another thing
amanetora (11:05:15 PM): and he didn't do it, but in reality he did.
Afrobean16 (11:05:17 PM): you clearly saw the "plot" to hide the seer in the 
open
Afrobean16 (11:05:24 PM): but yet the wolves didnt attack the seer'd greens
Afrobean16 (11:05:33 PM): were you red, I would have guessed that one of 
them would be dead
Afrobean16 (11:05:56 PM): thats what I would have done if I was in your 
shoes
amanetora (11:06:01 PM): yeah.
amanetora (11:06:07 PM): I most likely would have done that
amanetora (11:06:25 PM): ****
Afrobean16 (11:06:27 PM): so then, how does one go about lynching the 
seer?
Afrobean16 (11:06:38 PM): I'd think fiction would be a good person to get to 
help us with this
Afrobean16 (11:06:44 PM): but he cant be trusted
Afrobean16 (11:06:50 PM): WOAH
Afrobean16 (11:06:53 PM): maki was a wolf right
amanetora (11:06:56 PM): yeah
amanetora (11:06:59 PM): wha...
Afrobean16 (11:07:01 PM): fiction pushed HARD for him
amanetora (11:07:01 PM): ph
amanetora (11:07:05 PM): then changed his vote
Afrobean16 (11:07:07 PM): then DIDNT PULL THE TRIGGER
amanetora (11:07:10 PM): I KNOW
Afrobean16 (11:07:22 PM): "social experiment" he says
Afrobean16 (11:07:28 PM): more like, distance voting that backfired
amanetora (11:07:43 PM): he did say it backfired on him.
Afrobean16 (11:07:57 PM): :]
amanetora (11:08:28 PM): so do you think that's it? I need to look back and
 see how u84 voted on maki and gun.
amanetora (11:08:44 PM): we have another full day
Afrobean16 (11:08:53 PM): but
Afrobean16 (11:09:03 PM): you'll probably be dead tonight
amanetora (11:09:14 PM): just save the logs
Afrobean16 (11:09:20 PM): if we take the jump that u84 is a wolf
amanetora (11:09:23 PM): i think we're right.
Afrobean16 (11:09:24 PM): that means the seer is dead
Afrobean16 (11:09:31 PM): and youd be the remaining blue
amanetora (11:09:37 PM): then we get fic first.
Afrobean16 (11:09:38 PM): he'd off you, then the next night, me
Afrobean16 (11:09:54 PM): if you and I team up against fiction
Afrobean16 (11:10:00 PM): I think the only way would reveal yourself
Afrobean16 (11:10:02 PM): hold on
amanetora (11:10:19 PM): well, if u84 and fic are the wolves, the wolves 
already know that I'm psychic.
Afrobean16 (11:10:47 PM): then by that logic, might as well come out in the
 thread yourself and expose all of the lies u84 did directly
Afrobean16 (11:10:54 PM): then draw the deductive link to fiction from there
Afrobean16 (11:11:13 PM): I would never tell you that you should suicide like
 that though
amanetora (11:11:40 PM): should we tell u84 anything about this?
Afrobean16 (11:11:50 PM): i dont think so...
amanetora (11:11:55 PM): good, me either.
Afrobean16 (11:11:57 PM): not until action is ready
Afrobean16 (11:12:07 PM): I joked with him that Id be pissed if he was a wolf
Afrobean16 (11:12:11 PM): stringing me along
Afrobean16 (11:12:22 PM): and he sais something lkie "well, i assure you i am
 not" and nothing more
amanetora (11:12:46 PM): like that does anything
Afrobean16 (11:13:00 PM): but what im saying is
Afrobean16 (11:13:08 PM): he already is aware that I have this feeling
Afrobean16 (11:13:25 PM): he probably thought he had me completely under
 his thumb
Afrobean16 (11:13:44 PM): ****
Afrobean16 (11:13:51 PM): i closed the chat and didnt bother to save a log
Afrobean16 (11:13:57 PM): are you still there?
amanetora (11:13:57 PM): this entire one?
Afrobean16 (11:14:00 PM): no
Afrobean16 (11:14:02 PM): the CHAT
amanetora (11:14:04 PM): o
amanetora (11:14:06 PM): i have it.
Afrobean16 (11:14:08 PM): ok
Afrobean16 (11:14:11 PM): because I was thinking
Afrobean16 (11:14:15 PM): if you DO come out
Afrobean16 (11:14:23 PM): I could post my logs from tonight with the both
 of you
Afrobean16 (11:14:25 PM): for all to see
amanetora (11:14:50 PM): so we're doing this, this day phase
amanetora (11:15:02 PM): before one of us is wolfed the following nights
amanetora (11:15:27 PM): I'm game if you are.
Afrobean16 (11:15:35 PM): i'll do it
amanetora (11:15:35 PM): I already took a risk revealing to u84
Afrobean16 (11:15:39 PM): things have been boring lately anyway
amanetora (11:16:00 PM): will you be on around this time tomorrow?
Afrobean16 (11:16:09 PM): aroudn midnight?
Afrobean16 (11:16:12 PM): when does day end
amanetora (11:16:31 PM): 1 am the 8th for you i believe
Afrobean16 (11:16:59 PM): the eighth was sunday
amanetora (11:17:14 PM): o
amanetora (11:17:20 PM): let me check the thread
Afrobean16 (11:17:22 PM): lol
amanetora (11:17:36 PM): lol
amanetora (11:17:39 PM): the 11th rather
Afrobean16 (11:18:07 PM): ok well that gives us one more day
amanetora (11:19:11 PM): yeah, she accidentally made it one day longer, but she said it was ok and we can use it.
Afrobean16 (11:19:31 PM): lol nice
Afrobean16 (11:19:39 PM): or maybe not
Afrobean16 (11:19:41 PM): if day ended tonight
Afrobean16 (11:19:48 PM): we could probably lynch u84 with a majority of 
TWO
Afrobean16 (11:19:59 PM): tons of phantoms abound, but guh
amanetora (11:20:18 PM): gee yeah there isn't much time left. We don't 
need phantoms hanging over peoples heads at the end of the game, though.
Afrobean16 (11:20:34 PM): yeah I guess if I'm trusting your info
Afrobean16 (11:20:38 PM): phantoms dont mean **** anyway
Afrobean16 (11:20:51 PM): 2 wolves or 1 wolf cant take advantage of our 
phantom'd greens anyway
amanetora (11:21:12 PM): that's what I'm saying. but I guess if we do get 
one of the two, a phantom won't do much good for a sole wolf
amanetora (11:21:17 PM): on a green
amanetora (11:21:33 PM): that was poorly worded
amanetora (11:21:34 PM): but you know
Afrobean16 (11:21:38 PM): i know exactly what you mean
Afrobean16 (11:21:50 PM): a single red isnt a threat until the final day with 3 players left
Afrobean16 (11:22:08 PM): but even then, a single phantom isnt enough for 
him to reach majority
Afrobean16 (11:22:43 PM): so are you going to post or what
Afrobean16 (11:22:46 PM): whats the plan of attack
amanetora (11:23:04 PM): if we're going to do this tonight, I'm pretty much 
ready
Afrobean16 (11:23:14 PM): ok
amanetora (11:23:16 PM): I'm guessing it will just be a horde of logs
Afrobean16 (11:23:26 PM): sure, why not
Afrobean16 (11:23:38 PM): maybe go through and highlight the portions relevant though
Afrobean16 (11:23:43 PM): so people will actually read them

alright was just trying to post this fast.

[Afrobean]

(1:35:59 AM) tupacodaman: o one other thing
(1:36:26 AM) tupacodaman: he said he seered panda?
(1:36:41 AM) Me: thats what he told me
(1:36:57 AM) Me: he told syhto that he had seer'd me
(1:37:08 AM) tupacodaman: u8477 (12:49:23 AM):Two things. One, condense your texts to one paragraph and not eight. My phone can't handle it, lol. And two, i'd say you're in luck because both of them u8477 (12:49:27 AM):have been seered. Afro is definitely human and syhto is red. But i want to lead her on a bit to extract who her partners are, so don't say anything to anu8477 (12:49:28 AM):yone yet.

[there's no way that both of us could be seer'd unless he lied about missing the n1 seer when he was replaced (unlikely), and I was seer'd night 1. If I was seer'd n1, he would have told me about it, especially since he appeared to trust me more than any of the people he named as seer'd greens]

(1:37:26 AM) tupacodaman: u8477 (12:49:23 AM): Two things. One, condense your texts to one paragraph and not eight. My phone can't handle it, lol. And two, i'd say you're in luck because both of them  
u8477 (12:49:27 AM): have been seered. Afro is definitely human and syhto is red. But i want to lead her on a bit to extract who her partners are, so don't say anything to an 
u8477 (12:49:28 AM): yone yet. 

(1:37:35 AM) tupacodaman: luolz
(1:37:37 AM) tupacodaman: lulz*
(1:38:10 AM) Me: lol well
(1:38:23 AM) Me: first, tehres no way we BOTH could be seer'd
(1:38:38 AM) tupacodaman: yea lol
(1:38:43 AM) Me: second, I told him to lie about syhto being seer'd red so we could be sure to lynch her

I believe you'll find me explaining the "lie about syhto being seer'd red" idea in the log of me and syhto.

[tupacodaman]

Originally Posted by tupacodaman

well said afro for why u84 is 99% not a wolf. he's a smart player that is good at social engineering (lol, seriously though). there isn't a good reason why a wolf would come out as "seered green" the way he did"..... unless (I don't think anyone mentioned this) was that maybe there are only two wolves left, him and the master. so maybe this is just his way of trying to lull us into a false sense of security of him being green so that the wolves will have a chance of winning.

oh snap!

u84

[Syhto]

u84

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by tupacodaman

oh snap!

u84

lmao i totally do not remember you saying that but gg dude

u84. Let's get this ****storm over with.

[FictionJunction]

**** you arfo I told you it was possible, I told you it might be happening.

[FictionJunction]

switching to A2P

Won't vote for u84 until after he retorts. That's final.

[FictionJunction]

I just read the logs

God, I'm good!

[Afrobean]

I'm glad that the likes of A2P, vic, sc979, and jwc have taken the time to post contributions after this enormous **** went down.

Oh wait.

Even though A2P, Viccica, and sc979 have all been on the forum and MUST HAVE seen what happened, none of them said anything. As for Jwc, he hasn't even been on the forums since Sunday the 8th, so at least that makes sense why he would say nothing (even though it's ****ed up for other reasons).