jTWG XLIV: Rise of the Dark Samurai

[rzr]

Read the Custom Title, buddy, "I love ichliebekase" HA!
So I don't swing that way =p

[sc979]

bleh... I have leave for school like, now, so can't stay. I'll try to get on at school sometime though.

Anyway, my suggestion to you was just a possibility. As kekeb had mentioned, I'm not the only person who also suspected Manti. According to psychic, there's only 1 wolf left, it's not like I was trying to steer you away from seering me, since it'd look like you'd end up seering kilik if I hadn't said anything.

[rzr]

Kekeb (1) > Kilikodagawa
sc979 (3.001) > jokim, Bynary Fission, megamom88, phantom
DrKirth (.001) > phantom
Bynary Fission (1.001) > phantom, phantom
jokim (.001) > phantom

1. heavylee (heavyleah)
2. sc979 (sam97379)
3. Myst1278 (myst1279)
4. Xception704 (jungmour2009)
5. KilikOdagwa (kilikodagawa)
6. jugglinguy (jugglinguy94)
7. megamon88 (megamon88)
8. DrKirth (DrKirth)
9. Hoochan (TWGhoochan)
10. jokim (zanethra)
11. devonin (danielruffolo18)
12. BynaryFission (logant1993)
13. kekeb (kek3b)
14. litodude (litodude)
15. DarkManticorex2 (DarkManticorex2)
16. Sullyman2007 (sully5313)

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by rzr

Manti's dead. If I feel like writing something special later I will.
You have until 10:00 PM Wednesday night. Bye.

Hey write me a death post you lazy bum =(

[KilikOdagawa]

rzr...T_T...That was messed up. What would've happened if Myst WAS the guardian?

[sc979]

Okay, I'm back.

So I'm going to get lynched just because I haven't been the most active of posters? Jokim has been more inactive than me (according to postcount), and I had more posts than him when he voted me for being inactive. Then Bynary bandwagons...

Mega's vote I can understand, but I guess I got unlucky that Manti just happened to get wolfed.

Originally Posted by megamon88

Was it a coincedence that manti got wolfed just as soon as I got his seering results? Not likely.

Manti is a good player. It's more likely than you would think.

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

I'm split between Bynary, Kilik and SC.

Me again... In the last game, Manti gave 3 people too. Two of them wolves, and the other was me because I hadn't talked to him, even though I was human in that game. Since he never gave reason to suspect me, I think it's because of the same reason.

As of now, I'm going to agree with Manti's evidence and vote kilik. Devonin had said that kekeb and bynary were human, and since there's 1 wolf left, I don't think he gave away the last one, and kilik voted for kekeb anyway.

[rzr]

Originally Posted by KilikOdagawa

rzr...T_T...That was messed up. What would've happened if Myst WAS the guardian?

Nothing, it was an April fools joke. He could be, he couldn't be, it's up to you ><

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Hey write me a death post you lazy bum =(

I promise I will, I was just upset last night. :/

[Kekeb]

Kirth, AIM.

[Bynary Fission]

I never bandwagoned sc. In fact, I was talking through AIM about that same subject long before jokim voted for you.

[sc979]

And another thing.

Originally Posted by KilikOdagawa

Zanethra (10:53:18 PM): who would be master wolf then ?
kilikodagawa (10:53:39 PM): Personally, master is sc, or kekeb

Okay, before Devonin was lynched:

Originally Posted by megamon88

Ok dev seered green. Possible MW though.
Also, the psychic reading was 3/10, I forgot the human side, sorry. So if lito was AP it would really be 2/11.

And after he was lynched:

Originally Posted by Xception704

p.s. the reading shows 2/9 meaning 1/10 if you factor in the AP wolf.

So Devo was MW, and it looks like kilik's just trying to throw the role on me or kekeb.

[DrKirth]

Here's a log that Sully and I got from Kilik a while back, showing the conversations between Kilik and Devonin. To me, it seems that Kilik is human, but I'll leave the discussion up to everyone else.

kilikodagawa (2:58:58 PM): Hello Devonin.
danielruffolo18 (2:59:05 PM): Hey
kilikodagawa (2:59:22 PM): You are extremely confusing. Did you know that?
danielruffolo18 (2:59:29 PM): How's that?
kilikodagawa (3:00:17 PM): Your posts are really long. They have a general articulate vocabulary and I have a hard time understanding what you say most of the time. It's worded in a simple, yet complicated way.
danielruffolo18 (3:00:49 PM): I'm a historian and a philosopher, I've done a very large amount of academic writing in my life, it's pretty much habit now.
kilikodagawa (3:01:12 PM): Cool. Sounds like fun to me. Care to share some of your philosophies?
danielruffolo18 (3:01:31 PM): Er...what do you mean?
kilikodagawa (3:01:53 PM): You said that you're a philosopher. What's a philosphy for you?
danielruffolo18 (3:02:19 PM): doesn't really work that way, I mean, philosophy is as much an overall worldview as anything else.
kilikodagawa (3:02:39 PM): Oooooh. Well, what history are you keeping track of?
danielruffolo18 (3:03:09 PM): Well I suppose it would have been correct to say "I'm going to be a" I still have 2 more weeks to go before I get my degree
kilikodagawa (3:03:31 PM): Well, Finals should be fun for you. What area are you interested in?
danielruffolo18 (3:03:46 PM): My favourite era of history is enlightenment europe
kilikodagawa (3:04:06 PM): Martin Luther and that particular time?
danielruffolo18 (3:04:34 PM): I like that era too, but the enlightenment was more of a 1700s thing
danielruffolo18 (3:04:38 PM): luther was the 1500s
kilikodagawa (3:04:46 PM): OH YEAH. John Locke
danielruffolo18 (3:05:01 PM): Newton, Pepys, Wren
danielruffolo18 (3:05:03 PM): That kind of person
kilikodagawa (3:05:13 PM): Why Newton?
danielruffolo18 (3:05:20 PM): Newton was a rockstar
danielruffolo18 (3:05:42 PM): Like, Newton was to enlightenment europe exactly what modern rockstars are to popular culture
kilikodagawa (3:05:49 PM): Really?
danielruffolo18 (3:05:56 PM): He was quite famous, travelled around to speak to huge crowds
danielruffolo18 (3:06:06 PM): Anything he did was news
danielruffolo18 (3:06:30 PM): Had a big and famous rivalry with Gottfried Liebniz
kilikodagawa (3:06:33 PM): Modern High School history books say that John Locke did that. Newton just wrote a whole bunch of papers to news papers and such from what we've been informed.
danielruffolo18 (3:06:51 PM): You sure you aren't thinking Franklin and not Newton?
kilikodagawa (3:07:18 PM): Isaac Netwon, Laws of Gravity and Motion right?
danielruffolo18 (3:07:22 PM): Yup
danielruffolo18 (3:07:36 PM): He was incredibly influential and well-known across all of europe
kilikodagawa (3:08:30 PM): Hmmmm. How much do you think you'll find?
danielruffolo18 (3:08:42 PM): What do you mean?
kilikodagawa (3:08:58 PM): Is there anything new you hope to find?
danielruffolo18 (3:09:04 PM): I'm not like, actively searching for new information about Newton or anything, he's just one of the historical figures I've most enjoyed learning about
kilikodagawa (3:09:45 PM): Is that all it takes to be a historian?
danielruffolo18 (3:09:57 PM): Depends who you ask i suppose.
kilikodagawa (3:10:06 PM): Hmmm. Makes sense
danielruffolo18 (3:10:07 PM): I'm going to have a history degree, so technically that makes me a historian
danielruffolo18 (3:10:26 PM): But anybody with an interest in learning about history could call themselves a historian and I wouldn't disagree with them
kilikodagawa (3:10:55 PM): Ah. So how much do you really love that rock
danielruffolo18 (3:11:06 PM): rock?
kilikodagawa (3:11:25 PM): The avatar you have. It has a rock dancing and it says "I <3 MY ROCK"
danielruffolo18 (3:11:29 PM): Oh
danielruffolo18 (3:11:30 PM): hehe
danielruffolo18 (3:11:33 PM): that's years and years old
danielruffolo18 (3:11:46 PM): When I very first downloaded AIM like 6 years ago, I put that in there
danielruffolo18 (3:11:51 PM): And just never bothered removing it all this time
kilikodagawa (3:11:54 PM): Do you still love it?
danielruffolo18 (3:11:59 PM): I'/m not sure I did then :P
danielruffolo18 (3:12:14 PM): Nothing in any of my display settings lets me see my own buddy image
danielruffolo18 (3:12:19 PM): So I mostly forget it even exists
kilikodagawa (3:12:31 PM): Heheh.
danielruffolo18 (3:14:38 PM): So given the sheer volume of TWG stuff that went on in Aim convos, you must be pretty confused
kilikodagawa (3:16:08 PM): Pretty much.
danielruffolo18 (3:16:10 PM): Bah, a vote for me?
kilikodagawa (3:16:16 PM): Yeah.
danielruffolo18 (3:16:18 PM): Why?
kilikodagawa (3:16:23 PM): You gave everyone a good reason why.
danielruffolo18 (3:16:31 PM): How's that?
kilikodagawa (3:17:50 PM): You took lito's side. And from what the readings show, he was a wolf.
danielruffolo18 (3:18:00 PM): The guardian came out to Lito too
danielruffolo18 (3:18:09 PM): So perhaps Lito was a little more convincing than people want to admit
kilikodagawa (3:18:32 PM): Maybe so.
danielruffolo18 (3:18:35 PM): If the -guardian- came out to protect Lito as the seer, you're serisouly going to lynch a green because I was also fooled?
kilikodagawa (3:19:30 PM): That's the confusing wording I was talking about earlier. >.<
danielruffolo18 (3:19:40 PM): what's confusing about it?
danielruffolo18 (3:19:47 PM): The guardian believed Lito was the seer enough to come out to him.
danielruffolo18 (3:19:57 PM): So because a normal green like me also believedit, i get to die?
kilikodagawa (3:20:03 PM): But he's lynched.
danielruffolo18 (3:20:19 PM): Lito's lynched now, and I had it proven to me by Manti and Xception that Lito wasn't actually the seer
kilikodagawa (3:20:32 PM): To me, it's how strongly you defended him.
kilikodagawa (3:20:42 PM): But I'm not convinced quite yet.
danielruffolo18 (3:20:45 PM): He seered me green when I was green, and the guardian came out to him.
danielruffolo18 (3:20:50 PM): You expect me to -not- defend him strongly?
danielruffolo18 (3:21:07 PM): That's why Lito took a chance on seering me, because he knew if he got me right, I'd defend him really strongly
kilikodagawa (3:21:30 PM): How could Lito do the seeing?
danielruffolo18 (3:21:41 PM): *sigh*
danielruffolo18 (3:21:47 PM): At the time, nobody knew who was the real seer
danielruffolo18 (3:22:09 PM): Litodude said "I seered Devonin green"
Megamon said "I seered the psychic, but I won't tel you who it was, and the psychic won't come out to confirm it"
danielruffolo18 (3:22:26 PM): And since I -am- green, of those two seerings, I believed Lito's was real
danielruffolo18 (3:22:37 PM): So I defended Lito as the real seer because I thought that megamon and manti were wolves
kilikodagawa (3:22:53 PM): Give me your reasoning for it. You're really good at thinking.
danielruffolo18 (3:23:06 PM): My reasoning for what? Believing that lito was the seer?
kilikodagawa (3:23:31 PM): That Manti and Mega are wolves.
danielruffolo18 (3:23:57 PM): I don't think that manti and mega are wolves. I -thought- AT THE TIME that manti and mega were wolves because I thought AT THE TIME that Lito was the seer
danielruffolo18 (3:24:12 PM): I already told you that manti proved to me after that, that lito was actually a wolf, and that mega was the real seer
danielruffolo18 (3:24:16 PM): That was ages ago
kilikodagawa (3:24:38 PM): Well i've talked to some others and they think the same thing I do.
danielruffolo18 (3:24:42 PM): what's that?
kilikodagawa (3:25:06 PM): Your a wolf.
danielruffolo18 (3:25:14 PM): What's your evidence?
danielruffolo18 (3:25:27 PM): If it is just that i defended Lito, I point to the fact that a BLUE also defended lito
danielruffolo18 (3:25:34 PM): So unless the guardian is also a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:25:36 PM): That's not evidence.
kilikodagawa (3:25:50 PM): Colors...I don't know what they mean >.<
danielruffolo18 (3:26:01 PM): red = wolf, green = human, blue = seer, psychic, guardian
danielruffolo18 (3:26:28 PM): If your evidence that I'm a wolf is that I supported Lito, I point out a few things
danielruffolo18 (3:26:42 PM): a) more than 3 other people supported Lito, that's more Lito supporters than there were wolves
danielruffolo18 (3:27:03 PM): b) the guardian came out to lito, a special human whose main job is to pick which seer they believe and protect them thought lito was the seer
kilikodagawa (3:27:26 PM): I thought the guardian could protect anyone?
danielruffolo18 (3:27:35 PM): Right, but when two people claim to be seer
danielruffolo18 (3:27:42 PM): The job of the guardian becomes protecting the one they think isn't a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:27:49 PM): because if one's a wolf, the other is probably the target
kilikodagawa (3:28:02 PM): Probably so.
danielruffolo18 (3:28:06 PM): and the guardian thought that Lito was the seer, and mega was the wolf, enough to actually come out to lito instead of just secretly protecting lito
kilikodagawa (3:28:50 PM): Hmmmmm.
kilikodagawa (3:29:02 PM): Well, who do you think is the wolf this time?
danielruffolo18 (3:29:16 PM): Off the top of my head I'm not sure. Lito was, Jugglin was
kilikodagawa (3:29:32 PM): So that's two consecutive wolf lynchings.
danielruffolo18 (3:29:43 PM): Jugglin was seered red
danielruffolo18 (3:29:52 PM): After it had been proven to my satisfaction that Megamon was the actual seer
danielruffolo18 (3:29:56 PM): So he was lynched
danielruffolo18 (3:30:22 PM): Lito's lynching had less to do with pubilcally visible proof, and more to do with manti/mega/xception proving to some other people they figured were humans that lito was a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:31:01 PM): And though obviously it doesn't actually prove anything either way, both seers have now claimed to seer me green
kilikodagawa (3:31:20 PM): Then I'll call it a safety vote.
danielruffolo18 (3:31:29 PM): So either I'm actually a human, or I'm the master wolf, but I think the lengths I've gone to in order to help show all the ways we -can- catch wolves suggests more than I'm human
danielruffolo18 (3:32:25 PM): Has anybody toldyou about litodude's "slip" yet?
danielruffolo18 (3:32:33 PM): If not, you might want to hear about it before you changeyour vote off of me
kilikodagawa (3:32:52 PM): I'll hear it please.
kilikodagawa (3:32:58 PM): I'm one of the last to hear of anything
danielruffolo18 (3:33:01 PM): After Lito had basically been outed as a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:33:12 PM): Like, almost everyone figured or at least strongly suspected that lito was a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:33:33 PM): and people were trying to connect me to lito as a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:33:39 PM): Lito sent xception a chat log of a convo between him and I an "accidentally" included a line of me talking like a wolf about killing the guardian
danielruffolo18 (3:34:07 PM): Which, since everyone in this game prefers jumping to conclusions instead of thinking things through, made them all go OMG wolf!
danielruffolo18 (3:34:10 PM): But watch
kilikodagawa (3:34:18 PM): It was sent to xception...
danielruffolo18 (3:34:25 PM): kilikodagawa: I'm the master wolf, and I'm going to kill you tonight
danielruffolo18 (3:34:35 PM): How is that proof of anything?
kilikodagawa (3:34:55 PM): I'm just asking. It MIGHT be something. Unless he too, is seered green.
kilikodagawa (3:35:03 PM): And how did you do that?
danielruffolo18 (3:35:08 PM): I can even make it look like chat
kilikodagawa: I'm the anti psychic wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:35:18 PM): Copy/paste in aim keeps font changes
danielruffolo18 (3:35:23 PM): So it gets your different chat colour
danielruffolo18 (3:35:32 PM): I could make up a whole conversation doing that if I really wanted to.
kilikodagawa (3:35:46 PM): So you could FRAME anyone?
danielruffolo18 (3:35:47 PM): And my argument is that Lito knew he was dead, and knew I was connected to him, and knew it would be easy to get me lynched
danielruffolo18 (3:35:51 PM): And just faked the chat line
kilikodagawa (3:36:15 PM): He did or you did?
danielruffolo18 (3:36:29 PM): He did. I never had that conversation with Lito
kilikodagawa (3:36:38 PM): Oh wow...
kilikodagawa (3:36:44 PM): I never knew you could do that.
danielruffolo18 (3:36:52 PM): The rest of the log, which xception has not posted so far as I know, was a perfectly reasonable conversation of me confronting him about being a wolf because of the proof that Manti gave me
kilikodagawa (3:43:01 PM): Well, now I'm trying to save you.
danielruffolo18 (3:43:22 PM): Just put in a new vote as safety on someone with no votes if you don't want to vote for me
kilikodagawa (3:44:11 PM): I want to know who you're voting for.
danielruffolo18 (3:44:34 PM): I have a safety on kekeb right now, because with lito and jugglin dead, I'm really not sure who else I think is a wolf
danielruffolo18 (3:44:39 PM): A lot of people haven't really said much all game
kilikodagawa (3:44:58 PM): So a vote for Kekeb ya say?
danielruffolo18 (3:45:06 PM): I put a safety on kekeb
danielruffolo18 (3:45:16 PM): As in "The point was, i don't know, so I put a safe vote in so I don't get a phantom"
kilikodagawa (3:46:03 PM): If you look at it in a skeptic's way, that's a billboard. But if it's casual reading, it's innocent.
danielruffolo18 (3:46:19 PM): Hunh?
danielruffolo18 (3:46:23 PM): safety votes happen all the time
kilikodagawa (3:46:38 PM): That's the innocent part.
kilikodagawa (3:46:49 PM): If you read it with tone, it's a billboard.
danielruffolo18 (3:47:02 PM): a billboard that says "Nobody has a solidly clear idea who is a wolf" yes
kilikodagawa (3:48:37 PM): I see it as a fearful gesture
danielruffolo18 went away at 3:56:45 PM.
danielruffolo18 went away at 4:12:13 PM.
danielruffolo18 went away at 4:16:35 PM.
danielruffolo18 went away at 4:19:43 PM.

[jokim]

The only thing I don't get, Is where did he that log from ?

I also have the HTML file. but he told me a few minutes ago that he doesn't keep logs.

Zanethra (19:44:02) : Hey
Zanethra (19:44:09) : Did you get to talk to bynary on AIM ?
kilikodagawa (19:49:44) : yeah
Zanethra (19:49:52) : when ?
kilikodagawa (19:49:57) : Last night
Zanethra (19:50:04) : Do you keep logs ?
kilikodagawa (19:50:22) : I closed down the window
Zanethra (19:50:31) : so you don't.
kilikodagawa (19:50:48) : If that means the log is lost, then no I do not have them
Zanethra (19:50:58) : Well
Zanethra (19:51:21) : If you go to your aim screen (contact list)
Zanethra (19:51:25) : on top
Zanethra (19:51:40) : Tools -> Preferences (F7)
Zanethra (19:51:52) : or could be called settings
Zanethra (19:51:56) : or whatever
Zanethra (19:52:01) : I have a french version.
Zanethra (19:52:06) : so i dunno how it's called.
Zanethra (19:52:20) : it's Tools -> (Last option)
Zanethra (19:52:31) : You should find a tab talking about log files.
kilikodagawa (19:52:41) : Gonna start logging both as of now
Zanethra (19:52:46) : darn.
Zanethra (19:52:51) : Ok, well, thanks.
Zanethra (19:53:13) : wait, could you give me EST time of discussion ?
Zanethra (19:53:21) : average.
kilikodagawa (19:53:40) : It was 10:-11:30x EST
Zanethra (19:54:02) : and right now it'S gonna be 8 EST, right ?
kilikodagawa (19:54:20) : Yeah
Zanethra (19:54:25) : Ok, Thank you.
kilikodagawa (19:55:06) : You're welcome

Sooo, where did he get the log ? >.>

[sc979]

That's interesting. I remember Devo saying that he didn't keep logs either.

[jokim]

Gosh, I don't want an insta just now. Changing my vote to DrKirth

Reasons : Safety >.>

[jokim]

And yea, Devo doesn't keep logs either.

It was in one of the logs Lito sent where Devo says he doesn't keep logs cause someone asked him for some, Manti if I recall correctly.

[Bynary Fission]

I am now keeping logs, but I looked at the option to block chat invitations, and it's unchecked. So I don't have a clue as to what's going on.

[Sullyman2007]

Ok. I think it's our aim versions or something because it dosen't seem to work for any of us, but I'll work on it.

[Bynary Fission]

I use AIM 6. This is the most recent version, so...is anybody using an older version?

[jokim]

Gosh

Ok, Nice try Kilik, But i'm just not gonna "try" thinking you're not wolf anymore.

You're defending Devo like way too hard. And you don't make sense.

Sounds like you're just trying to confuse everyone.

[KilikOdagawa]

You have my request. Please follow through with it.