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I mean, sure, you could sit on the internet and say that you wouldn't kill or even injure an attacker but this doesn't hold at all in real life what would you do? would you calmly ask them to put their weapon down so you guys could talk it out? would you call the police while they're standing there with their weapon down? this doesn't work in the real world. what works in the real world is protecting yourself with equal force. if they are threatening injury, you do what you can to minimize injury; whether this is fleeing or retaliation, both are equal responses. if they're threatening your life (the most common way this happens is with a gun), you do what you can to survive. if this requires you to severely injure or kill a criminal, then so be it. it's self-defense. you'd rather die in this situation? |
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oh hey ps if arch0wl is reading this (he is), send me a pm on an alt account
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Look, the problem is much wider than that. All I see is self-defense here. Yeah, that'd be really cool to have a gun with me when I'm about to get killed.
Now, the real question: do you want everybody around you to easily have access to guns ? Ok, you might reply something around "But there's always people who'll have guns and when they'll threaten you, you'll want to have one too". The first part of that sentence would be right ! People can buy guns online I'm pretty sure, and some gangs or rich people most likely can, too. However, the second part of it, which is what I'm mentionning in my first kind of paragraph, totally avoids the question. I do Not want guns to be something that's anywhere close to be availible to the public. Letting police officers and other people with such functions carry guns is another topic on which I'm not able to debate, but that's a very small percentage of a population, and represents a far smaller danger for me. |
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anyways, Quote:
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I could tell you to grow a spine as well, and to not take my replies so personally, but what good would that do ya know? Also, I'm not sure if you're using "you/your" in a general sense or specifically addressing me. None of these remarks from arch are made to me, so if you are addressing me, you are mistaking
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firstly, police officers should have guns, without a doubt. that's not a topic you should bring up at all
secondly I think everyone should have the capacity to purchase a weapon, but I also think that everyone should go through a rigorous background check, a rigorous mental health examination, and a rigorous course that shows you how, when, and why to use a weapon. if the person passes all three of these things, they are allowed to purchase a weapon and allowed to open carry. another issue that I don't think canada has (haven't looked it up), is that they don't have a country south of them that imports thousands upon thousands of illegal guns every year. it's probably significantly higher than what I'm expecting, but the fact is that the US has illegal weapons flowing into the country and into the hands of criminals. I don't think there's any logistically feasible way to combat this at the borders, so we should combat this within the US as a whole. it's been proven that gun violence goes DOWN when the public has a very good means of self-defense |
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If that is a true statement, then I don't feel like I can debate on the topic, since yes, I do live in Canada and not in the US. However I am curious to know why that would be the case.
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the administering of guns to those who do not meet the suggested requirements you listed above are what i think will help diminishes alot of school shootings, accidental firearm related deaths, like the ~23 toddlers who have shot and killed people this year. some may have not been on accident though... if a parent is not mentally sound enough to keep their guns safely away from children, then they prolly shouldn't have been able to purchase one. hence your vigorous mental health examination. But that issue might be more complex... one thing i would combat this with is that this will not stop the gun crimes of bigger organizations, like those who smuggle illegal weaponry, like you stated above so looking to combat this within the US as a whole is a great suggestion
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there's plenty of referenced material in the appendix that goes into correlation.
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the background check makes sure a weapon doesn't end up in the hands of someone with a criminal record the mental health exam makes sure a weapon doesn't end up in the hands of someone with... well, a mental health issue the training makes sure a weapon doesn't end up in the hands of someone who thinks that a handgun irl operates the same as it does in cod also tack on a question about religion in "prescreening" and deny weapons to anyone who selects "islam" |
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You say this as if if was an "enter the machine it'll say if you're mentally ill" test... I mean I'm no psychologist but I wouldnt doubt many many people can fake having/not having a mentall illness...
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lott and mustard was the one that seemed to be referenced by all the others, and is the one i was referencing btw.
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tfw no qt alt right gf
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It's amazing watching intellect decline vastly over the few decades especially in schools. As for guns I have no issue if they become legal criminals don't obey the law anyways.
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someone come up with a psychology thinktank for gun control |
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