New Songs: Apr 1st, 2011

[psychoangel691]

Variations and guitar sounds have only been out for a day the others have been out since the 21st.

[PlayTrumpet]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Variations and guitar sounds have only been out for a day the others have been out since the 21st.

Like I said, give it a week or two (I said a few weeks - odd that I'm mis-paraphrasing myself) and you'll see that not much will change. The AAA numbers will be those of an FMO.

[bmah]

I personally think both Guitar Sounds and Variations 2 are high 10s, not 11s. There's my two cents.

For Variations 2, however dense the jumpstreams are, I think the patterns are made in such a way that they're quite easy to hit, or at least the patterns are easily understandable. Compare "easy, understandable" patterns with songs that are more complex (personally I think Piano x Forte is much harder for example).

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

(10) Variations 2 AAA count: 6
(10) Guitar Sounds AAA count: 10
(11) Grocery Escape Plan AAA count: 15
(10) Ice Disk AAA count: 38
(10) Four Blocks Madness AAA count: 39
(10) Tamashii AAA count: 41

Invalid. Way too early to make scoring comparisons.

Originally Posted by PlayTrumpet

Like I said, give it a week or two (I said a few weeks - odd that I'm mis-paraphrasing myself) and you'll see that much not will change. The AAA numbers will be those of an FMO.

Oh, it will change.

[rushyrulz]

Well when you throw in the weird 24th to hand transitions and the awkward jumpglut in the middle it pushes it over the edge for me. The handstream isn't the major issue.

[TC_Halogen]

Using song release dates for a difficulty argument is not the best thing to do if the songs in question have been out for an extremely short period of time.

HOWEVER -- there is NO way that Variations 2 is a 10. Someone needs to bump that up to an 11 right away. Handstreams and mini-jacks at that speed are prevalent in 11s, not 10s. This is no exception.

Guitar Sounds feels really tough for a 10 to me, but I also tend to have issues with "ad-lib" rhythms (or extremely colorful patterns). A bit of a speed can help, but this one is questionable in difficulty. It can go either way.

The other two are fine.

[bmah]

I found Guitar Sounds harder to get right, and found Variations 2 deceptively more simple. Everything depends on what you're measuring a song's difficulty against. And we haven't set a standard for that yet.

[LJRoX]

whatever
both are cool in tune
but gay chartwise


Ok I lied

variations is gay in the beginning
someone should send me the .sm for guitar so I can play it on rate.. I miss hearing it sped up

[who_cares973]

You can find the unedited version of guitar sounds in some pack somewhere

I hate how shitty guitar sounds ended up looking in ffr. Stupid frames

[Mans0n]

nah guitar sounds is my favorite simfile to be honest.

so colorful and the patterns are sexy as fuc

[ELRayford]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

You can find the unedited version of guitar sounds in some pack somewhere

I hate how shitty guitar sounds ended up looking in ffr. Stupid frames

subjectivemania pack.

also, throw some fire and stay crunchy everyone

[iironiic]

When deciding on what difficulties new songs should be, I generally use current files in the game as a basis. Variations imo would make a solid FMO, and arguably one can claim that Guitar Sounds is an easier FMO. It is generally agreed that Variations of the two is the harder file. Guitar Sounds have so many awkward patterns (yet doable) vs. songs like LWI having straightforward patterns, but a higher speed. I strongly believe that Guitar Sounds should be an easier FMO because files like Epidermis and LWI are FMO worthy (and should be kept that way). This forces Variations to be an FMO as well, which I also strongly agree on.

/twocentsss

[ninjaKIWI]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

HOWEVER -- there is NO way that Variations 2 is a 10. Someone needs to bump that up to an 11 right away. Handstreams and mini-jacks at that speed are prevalent in 11s, not 10s. This is no exception.

Usually I'd agree with you, but this song is far too slow for hands to make any sort of difference of difficulty in the stream. Minijacks at that speed are all over the place in 10s. Miraiya has them, gradeus, Turbulence, Nova Pulser. Not only that, but the patterns are very simple, and the streams are fairly short as well.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by ELRayford

subjectivemania pack.

also, throw some fire and stay crunchy everyone

not until the batch opens again

[stavie33]

none of them deserve to be FMO. Also, I AAA'd Guitar Sounds wayyy earlier today, but for some reason, it didn't record (like most of my AAA's ). And like most of my AAA's that don't record, I don't screenshot them, I just try them again and AAA, but I seem to have mental blocks now all over the ****ing song and I can't stand it, I'm getting so damn frustrated, considering I DID AAA earlier. I was online, and logged on, and everything else worked, so is there anywhere on the website that would have proof of my unrecorded score or something? Or did I really need a screenshot? So with no screenshot, I guess you can't record it, and I have to deal with mental blocks on an easy and annoying ass song...

[mikeyzdragon24]

Originally Posted by stavie33

none of them deserve to be FMO. Also, I AAA'd Guitar Sounds wayyy earlier today, but for some reason, it didn't record (like most of my AAA's ). And like most of my AAA's that don't record, I don't screenshot them, I just try them again and AAA, but I seem to have mental blocks now all over the ****ing song and I can't stand it, I'm getting so damn frustrated, considering I DID AAA earlier. I was online, and logged on, and everything else worked, so is there anywhere on the website that would have proof of my unrecorded score or something? Or did I really need a screenshot? So with no screenshot, I guess you can't record it, and I have to deal with mental blocks on an easy and annoying ass song...

They are quite debatable you know. Easy for you doesn't mean easy for everyone else. Read above for the arguments already said. These files are quite borderline. Variations moreover than Guitar Sounds.

As for your recording problem, did you ever consult with Velo/Admin about the bot making you said you were going to do? Or, your internet might be quite slow and either timeout to send the score or being sent through the wrong port.

-~Zeta~ on vet account xd

[stavie33]

ended up not making the bot at all, you can't really do it with java, perl, or python XD. All my other scores today recorded, just this particular one, and it happened to be my AAA, oh well. I'll ask velo, meanwhile, more whoring, ughh...

And I've read the arguments, I said they're easy for me, but I didn't say that's why they should be VC. I just said they aren't FMO's, I feel, after reading those arguments, they are 75's, and not even the hardest, everything described in those arguments have been in previous VC's, some harder than these two. The last song that got bumped was Floating Hour, and these pale in comparison to it.

[who_cares973]

arguing what difficulty songs should be is like arguing where to place furniture in a pitch black room. until we light up the god damn room its pointless to argue where things should go

[Ziergdsx18]

i said it before, i'll say it again, neither Guitar Sounds nor Variations 2 should be FMO's imo.

/two cents

[LJRoX]

i say they should be FGOs

i mean look at those arrows

[rushyrulz]

reasons why Variations 2 is FMO in my opinion:

Handstream of course


this weird 32nd burst and similar ones appear 5 times in the file.


6 random jumps at the same speed of the stream, it's not the hardest jump pattern ever, but it takes a while to get used to.


awkward graces near the end have screwed me many a time


jump to 24th mini trill to hand twice in the file along with 3 other 24th trill-lets ending in jumps


And most importantly, all of these high 10, low 11 patterns are all packed into one song.

While Guitar Sounds does have plenty of weird bursts and it's very technical (btw good job, w_c that file is amazing jsin), there isn't anything that really throws it over the VC/FMO border. People who aren't really the best at rainbow files might argue it's an 11. IMO it really could go either way.

AJ is right tho, Variations being FMO is practically out of the question. When compared to Guitar Sounds which is at least high VC, Variations is a much more difficult file. The only thing higher than a high VC is an FMO (disregarding FGO, FSO of course). Just logic.