TWG CLXXIX: The Third FE Mystery Game Game Thread

[MixMasterLar]

Noting*, not nothing

[Precarious]

TWGma ISO

This is a playstyle I like in the game, but have trouble reading. There's a good mix of extraneous/conversational/off-topic stuff mixed with a lot of game-relevant material.

Originally Posted by TWGma

Either way, as soon as you say "ask me anything" that fires off a ton of wolf alarms in my head.
Mainly because if there's something that you tripped up on, and people bring it up to you, it's a great way for you to backtrack to make yourself seem more towny AND contribute, while also taking away time spent looking at other people.

tl;dr This is TWG, not Reddit. AMA bad.

I'm not sure if I'm convinced by this logic, probably because I can't follow it fully. People challenge each other all the time; bringing up something you've tripped over is to be expected. Having said this, it still reads kind of towny to me, because it's a convoluted enough read that it feels genuine.

Originally Posted by TWGma

AMA alarms are ringing again...

[...]

I might be forgetting if FFA is previously reading Charu as a wolf for anything, but if this is a legit snap vote for Charu not wanting to take his vote off Adam despite

then that vote is terrible.

[...]

If I can add on to this, Adam also encouraged the thread to ask him any questions about his logic behind waifu vote, and other things. Yet, as Cel said, question him wrongly - or disagree - and it was immediate Jekyll to Hyde. Definitely something to consider.



Distance points are a thing, and there has been some defense of him earlier in the thread. It seems to be a pretty unified front that he's been a cancer to the game (to quote Jteh) so, as a wolf, why would you not want to be on board with that and attempt to gain town cred?


End of page 48.

I edited a couple one or two word responses out of this post (the [...] sections); refer to the link obviously for the context of TWGma's responses. That's almost secondary to me here, though, because I find the nature of the post itself interesting. TWGma's kind of bounced around; there's been a mix of game stuff and casual stuff, but this covered a lot of territory at once. I like the post though, because the content generally makes sense in context, but more importantly it feels like a real effort to step things up.

Originally Posted by TWGma

Lawyer? For those of us unfamiliar with the role, clarification would be awesome.
Also, I wonder if wolves have a character-killing power similar to Xiz and his person-behind-the-anon-account kill ability in the last anon game...




That doesn't change alignment, though. Only what you're seered as. Miller is a possibility for sure.


[...]

Another post in the same vein as above, but less concrete content. But again, I like the takes on a bunch of posts. Taken together, I feel I can get a better sense of where they're leading.

Originally Posted by TWGma

Do you think Charu is trying to pocket jessiebessie?
What about it do you not like?

Originally Posted by TWGma

tl;dr you're reading Charu wolf. What about zenith's slot?
Wrere you voting for adam due to wolfiness or due to unpleasantness?

Originally Posted by TWGma

Aight, so do you feel Charu and adam/Zenith are wolf partners after the Charu vote on the slot that you initially voted him for, before snapping over to Zenith?

One thing that's interesting to me is that a lot TWGma's responses/counters/follow-ups are in the form of questions. I'm not sure that's alignment indicative on its own—but I'd be interested if anyone more familiar with his meta can link that to past town or scum games.

Anyone familiar with my reads (here or elsewhere) has probably seen me make a sort of implied distinction between pro-town and town, and anti-town and wolf. TWGma is pro-town, but it's possible to affect a pro-town style while being a wolf, and vice versa. And one of my biggest weaknesses is reading pro-town players as town regardless (although I suspect that's a common failing). But I can't see TWGma as a pro-town wolf here. There's a good mix of thought, interaction, theorycrafting, and offtopic conversation that I feel is hard to imitate scum-sided. Town lean.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I still don't like zenith but I like mml less.

I'm the better replacement, fight me.

[_Zenith_]

Xiz - Slight town read

Originally Posted by Xiz

So imma be that guy and say I don’t really wanna coordinate my waifu.

In the post it says that the waifu event has no relation to other events, but it doesn’t say it has relation to the game, of what it could mean.

Unless I’m seriously missing something I’m skeptical of people who wanna control the voting of the waifus. It says one winner, so my initial thought is this voting can be abused

I’m gonna do my own thing for meow

I guess I like yoshl and Raeko in response to that is what I’m saying

I appreciate going outside of the direction and having replied to Charu stating you believed there was deeper meaning behind the waifus at that time. I'm unsure if a wolf would risk being noticed by this opposition.

Originally Posted by Xiz

You could be right. But like, you gotta admit it's totally possible for there to be a role thats something like, any events if you do something like guess correctly how someone votes can grant you an additional killing / power of some sort.

But who knows

There could be a role thats amazing for town, guess the order of the top three or something and gain a free cop check or something.

Or none of this is right. Im currently alligned to it being more harmful to coordinate then beneficial

Further on the theorycrafting behind the event, see my point above. I think it follows.

Originally Posted by Xiz

But imma 2nd yoshl, I don't really wanna talk about this anymore. Unless someone hits me with the dank strat that can prove me wrong im out.

Oh. That was fast. Understandable however.

Originally Posted by Xiz

I don't know if it does or not. I'm just tryin to figure this out mang. But w/e dropping it.

As fast as you brought it up was as fast as you dropped it. Interesting to note, don't recall this being indicative of anything meta-related to you, but whatever it has been dropped at this point.

Originally Posted by Xiz

I can guarantee that I will never say who I am voting for here. Even if you get literally everyone else in the game besides me. If I get night killed or something for it then so be it. Death by waifu isn't a bad way to go.

There's something unsettling about this post and I can't pin it on talking about getting night killed or the certainty of never revealing his vote although mentioning town can coordinate if they wanted to.

Originally Posted by Xiz

Manti would be posting more if he was a wolf imo, and he would care too much. I dislike it, but it is whast it is.

Also, let me be clear when I say this:

post count =/= alignment

like, sometimes its better to chime in only when needed, especially in game this size where if everyone talks too much, things can get lost and forgotten easily.

I agree with this post, especially the latter portion of it. This is a rather large game and one can assume anything about the wolves activity, but there are some things that are easily obscured especially when something like Spruce shop list is revealed and discussed. This is part of why I am gutreading Tokzic, the one aggressive interaction into nothingness is damning to me.

Originally Posted by Xiz

No it's not. Ive got a big town circle right now (yoshl, round, charu, cel, raeko, manti, dbp) and no good scum. So I'm rereading and trying to find who is posting not super aggressive stuff.

for clarity i'll go into my town:

yoshl: His early pressure on adam was similair to how yoshl and I fought before hand. Correct me if im wrong yoshl but like every time we have done so its always been like a town/town. yoshl's change to try to actually talk with adam is something I would have never expected (no offence) so like, if anyone doesn't see him being town here I dont know what to tell you

round: mind-meldy. I only started mindmelding him here:


charu: active, listening, thinking, talking. Adamant about his thoughts but willing to think differently (like the waifu thing)

Cel: interactions with adam. One of the weakest of my town reads currently. (ill go into this more next post one sec)

raeko: gonna sheep I think it was blind who said this, but the posts i feel like are moving the game on more then what a wolf raeko would do. Also, just looking at danganronpa comared to this, so far towny fmpov.

manti: Wolf manti cares too much too early from when Ive played with him as wolf. I probably wont be voting manti ever in a d0 from what Ive seen so far.

dbp: wolf

Xiz' reads at this point. Can't say I hate them but I don't necessarily agree with Manti and Round at the moment because they're still pretty null to me.

Originally Posted by Xiz

Im just assuming that the tiebreaker is private voting for a sec because thats where my mind went first:

lets say a bunch of wolves all bandwagoned and made it to the end, depending on who is left they can control who gets the item.

However, if wolves did their own thing then that could work. I guess it depends on if wolves would hide under dbp early or not.

There are posts like these about the waifu situation that I haven't read fully, but what I've noticed is that Xiz was keen of the waifu situation and in a way that seemed genuine and not a facade. It doesn't seem like he's fishing for anything by doing this but this led to some good interactions (Cel and Xiz here).

Originally Posted by Xiz

look, the fact that you stepped down and actually tried to work things out speaks volumes. I strongly believe you are town and really don't want you to afk as well.

I agree which is why I can see people leaning him as possible wolf, but I disagree with that view because the resolution of that interaction was pure as fuck and I have a town lean on Daikyi. Now that there's ongoing talks of his suspect possibility, I would like to hear why others are skeptical because this is a good point about Daikyi.

I find the theory portion of the iso weird about Xiz because of the flip flop and when Daikyi brought it up with him again he was kind of abrupt about stopping it there. However I find the individualism of Xiz about the waifu vote more of town mindset than a wolf right now. That's something that I personally would be skeptical about (being a clear opposition to a discussed action) but like I said I would doubt a wolf placing himself in a light of opposition like this. Nobody really questioned it either so you got the pass from others as well in that topic.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

You could like explain your flip flopiness for me so I can feel like maybe you actually had a point, because last I checked this wasn't your stance on our interactions.

So tell the class, how should I have responded? Why does this paint me concerning? What's not a good look? What do you agree with Manti about that you clearly didn't before?

I suppose that's fair.

See, I thought you were calling Manti a wolf because of the fact he wasn't doing anything and admitting he wasn't doing anything while telling others to look at the players that find him suspicious. Instead, you're calling him a wolf because of some apparent meta and apparently OMGUS stuff.

Are you a wolf due to this? I think it's concerning (so you can interpret that as a light "yes"), but that's about it. Would I vote you this phase? Probably if I'm presented with a choice of votes to make that have you included in it.

I liked your pevious posts, but you're accusations to Manti right now are not so hot.

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by Charu

I have not been very vocal about it, but I'm also wary of YoshL. I have him marked down as possible scum actually.

Can you explain why

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Charu

I suppose that's fair.

See, I thought you were calling Manti a wolf because of the fact he wasn't doing anything and admitting he wasn't doing anything while telling others to look at the players that find him suspicious. Instead, you're calling him a wolf because of some apparent meta and apparently OMGUS stuff.

Are you a wolf due to this? I think it's concerning (so you can interpret that as a light "yes"), but that's about it. Would I vote you this phase? Probably if I'm presented with a choice of votes to make that have you included in it.

I liked your pevious posts, but you're accusations to Manti right now are not so hot.

I took him telling others to do work as shitposting and nothing more, it's 100% him not trying and wanting to just have enough presence that people remember seeing him without actually being here.

Now if you think that's pretty stupid and paints me bad, fair enough point although I obviously am going to disagree, and I don't understand how that somehow undoes all the post you do like but w/e. What I will call you out on is that OMGUS accusation you are tossing around: I made sure to let him respond and then see what he was going to do in thread before making my vote. You're thinking of Manti who gets called out and immediately fires a vote for it when you type OMGUS.

[MixMasterLar]

I will add for your self esteem, Charu, that him telling others to do work he clearly wasn't is a pretty good point to make.

I just decided it wasn't worth making at the time and kiiiiiiiiiiiind still don't if that makes sense?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I'm the better replacement, fight me.

You can have that dubious title

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

You can have that dubious title

Dubious eh? That's a fighting word.

[sprucegrit]

Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes

[Precarious]

blindreper1179

Not a lot of conversational type posts. Most everything is game-sided, although the relevance obviously varies. Fairly aggressive and isn't afraid of what people think of their reads and opinions.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Catching up. On page 12 right now(20 per)
Wolf avi, Adam, and Xiz town.
Most null
Ffa and haku wolfy.

Jumps right in with immediate reads. Not a big fan of reads without context, but I sort of like the straightforwardness of this post. Says where he is and what his reads are, town, null, and wolf. I'd like to see reasoning accompanying an actual content-vote though.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Holy shit i caught up.

Ok, listen. If you think Adam is wolf, you're wrong. Celery and Adam fight was t/t. Celery, chill you're overreacting.

Ffa is wolf for sure, the fuck outta here.

About the voting thing. Just vote, i guarantee 24 people aren't gonna listen. Dbp going on about the waifu getting the prize, not the voter seems capable. But we shall see.

More of the same. I like that blind leaves clear reads and interpretations, but I'd like to see accompanying logic. Committing straight up to saying a fight is town-town shows a sort of investment in the scenario, but doesn't explain why they actual see it that way.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Im not being hasty, he's being transparent.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

You're already throwing shit around not remembering what you said. You're making false reads and accusations.

Definitely a consistent tone. Blind hasn't backed down and has expressed ideas aggressively, but hasn't really explained why they hold those views.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Caught up again.

Ffa, playing solely to make you look better for you is never a case a town wants to make. You want to make it better for TOWN. You're wolfing. Your defense to my vote was not very defensive if that makes sense. And your call out to me not paying attention to you anymore... hilarious(not) vote stays


Mml, that's some nice posting buddy. Town for today for sure.

Some points i want to talk about.

You are right about my pushing being garbage, but you are also right about me being right moreso than being wrong. How do you feel about ffa? Do you agree?

Your yoshl vote. I see it's really based on his constant banter about something we knew already, and being lazy. Lazy isn't to alignment indicative. Is there another, more prevalent reason? If voting for laziness, the bottom 8 can go tbh.

I see your thoughts on Charu, and that puts him on my suspicion list as well.

As for tokzic, i feel like he's right for the wrong reason. The wolves can call out to each other in thread like haku did and their numbers are higher if they vote together, and town doesn't, which seems to be the case. 6 working together is better than 18 not working together. If he presented his case this way, would you agree?


Tokzic, i agree with haku being wolf and you bring up admirable reasons. Not sure if town or bussing, need more to evaluate.

Im still certain Adam is town, his hard headedness isn't helping his case though.

Im upset dbp hasn't been the detective we know he can be.

Charu, if mml is wrong, what have you ACTUALLY brought to the table? I didn't think about it, but he did bring to my attention your posting is fluffy.

This post feels very towny to me, in part because it departs from blind's previous 'opinions without details' style and contextualizes that aggression a bit more. It's tonally good; although it seems a little too buddy-buddy with MML, the actual substance of it is good since it seems he's trying to get in the headspace of someone he largely agrees with. The overall post feels real—it touches on a variety of points and ideas, and none of them have any obvious problems.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Round box wolf tier posting

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

No one cares youre "reading" the thread. You're giving false thread presence to look like you're actually doing something.

This.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

On D0 me doing anything productive is weird.

This makes me a little uncomfortable though. I don't mind someone departing from meta, but being aware of it when I don't know their previous style makes me feel like I'm missing something significant.

Overall, blind has been very incisive and hasn't been shy at all about present their ideas. That's a good sign to me, since a willingness to mix it up suggests a player more interested in exploring the game state than hiding behind generalities. Solid town.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

this isnt game related, but all black people are related so im at the wedding lunch of that dude who was nominated for an oscar for playing a somali pirate

Drop my name, looking for work. Thanks.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by sprucegrit

Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes

Hey man you got a reads list?
Because you're as near Town as can be aside from DBP and a reads from you would be nice

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Celirra

Can you explain why

Originally Posted by Charu

24) Yoshl (Daikyi)

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Very, uh... analytical this time around. Granted it's probably to try not to scream to Adam, but very different from all the games he's played (which he wanted anyways). Didn't support the plan himself stating the outcome would probably be better if we go about it however we choose. I can respect that, but I think that's a bit too easy for wolves to take advantage of. I don't want to say it, but I can't give you a town read for that, heh. I'll probably put you in SLIGHT WOLF though (mostly because I don't agree with the conclusion) but hey. TWG!!!

To add to this. Even after Zenith replaced in, he's been super analytical. Maybe I just associate that stuff with a neurtal tone which makes me think he's trying to play it safe. That's not the case though since he's been picking apart some of Zenith's post.

Plus, I totally expected him to start dissecting me with me listing him as a slight wolf, but he hasn't touched me really.

...Mostly the slight wolf lean is because of his reasonings of not wanting to mass vote on one girl. His reasoning made it sound it would be the generally the same outcome if every were to just pick whoever, but I think the wolves would have an easier time manipulating the event than he made it out to be. Can't ignore that 6 free votes they can use.

...

Gonna divert a bit here and say I'm pretty confident the wolves for last round and the round before have been following backpack's voice. I can only hope they were unsure first round because of the whole debacle about the whole "it could be a hidden mechanic" stuff which scared off everyone (which hilariously could've been started off because of a wolf scaring town).

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Celirra

Is it wolfy to only focus on yourself?

absolutely not!

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Cause D1 is a clusterfuck and it’s usually memes 800 posts and people pushing nulltells a to lynches. It’s rare to find a scumslip unless you have a perfect meta read or the scum screw up.

me irl

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Yes, this game I did.

I kinda had fun doing it too.

same it's a shame people are shading me for it though

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Why would a mystery game have people who know things????

balance? it's pretty obvious
I don't think there's anything inherently scummy about posting the list of secret shop items. we just need to be careful not to go crazy about spending time on trying to solve what happened in the night with all of these crazy items in place

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

So my scumpile as of now

Manti
YoshL
Raeko
And I still got a weird feeling on Haku

you really do play the same game every game don't you

wow

[MixMasterLar]

I failed to comment on it sooner but I do like the ISO treatment that Precarious is giving people, even if I disagree with some of it

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Drop my name, looking for work. Thanks.

blind im sorry i didnt see this ;____;

[LightManticorex2]

Originally Posted by roundbox

absolutely not!
me irl
same it's a shame people are shading me for it though

Welcome to the manti meta. second door to the left.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by roundbox

same it's a shame people are shading me for it though

Not me, says me!

I just wanted to vote you.