ABCDEath [10 or 9?]

**hi19hi19** · 01-9-2012, 02:25 AM

This file has been an unusually low 10 ever since it was added as a VC.
Though it does have that one 17 NPS spike, the great majority of the file is mid-9 in difficulty.
The patterns in the difficulty spike are not particularly complicated, merely slightly fast. Additionally, the rest of the file is so short and so comparatively trivial that it's easy to simply luck a good run on that one very small section.

**Magicturbo** · 01-9-2012, 05:11 AM

I'm working on that luck run. It's looking to possibly be my first VC AAA... Just because of the trill, along with the jumps thrown in the middle.. I think it should stay a low VC =X

**rayword45** · 01-9-2012, 03:12 PM

9 the way I see it.

Crowdpleaser features a couple of 13-worthy patterns, but remains stupidly easy the remainder, and is a 12 (although that's debatable)

Likewise, RunnyMorning features a mid-12 section, and some high 11/low-12 jumps bursts, but the rest remains a 10 AT BEST. And it gets 11.

The same may as well go for ABCDeath, since that hard section is basically a high 10, but the rest is low-9.

**reuben_tate** · 01-9-2012, 03:49 PM

I'd leave it as a 10. The hard section is something that you wouldn't expect in any 9. In fact, the hard section of abcdeath reminds me of that one part of Sambista with a similiar pattern; and it's that particular part of sambista that prevents me from even SDGing the song. Maybe it's only me that finds that particular pattern difficult, but I feel like that pattern constitutes the 10 on abcdeath.

**tofurox** · 01-9-2012, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayword45

9 the way I see it.

Crowdpleaser features a couple of 13-worthy patterns, but remains stupidly easy the remainder, and is a 12 (although that's debatable)

Likewise, RunnyMorning features a mid-12 section, and some high 11/low-12 jumps bursts, but the rest remains a 10 AT BEST. And it gets 11.

The same may as well go for ABCDeath, since that hard section is basically a high 10, but the rest is low-9.

This is exacly what I was thinking. Yeah, by this logic it should stay a 10.

**Arbliterator** · 01-9-2012, 04:46 PM

The trills were always impossible to PA, 10 just because of that.

**Netjet!** · 01-9-2012, 05:23 PM

Other than the random 24th(?) trill/jump section this song is incredibly easy. As has been stated previously,

Quote:

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

I'd leave it as a 10. The hard section is something that you wouldn't expect in any 9.

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicturbo

Just because of the trill, along with the jumps thrown in the middle.. I think it should stay a low VC =X

I believe it should be a low 10, if not the lowest.

jprox445 · 01-10-2012, 05:33 AM

The Trill with jumps is more somthing that would lean towards an 11 but since it is extremely easy until that point, it would lean towards a 9...
The comparison I have is Bloodmeat [Heavy] althought it may not have the jumps included in it, it has around the same BPM with the trills...
(10) no higher, no lower.

**popsicle_3000** · 02-4-2012, 04:04 AM

should be a 9. the entire file without the two bursts would be an 8. add the fast bursts (yes fast for a 9, but short enough to be easily readable) making this a 9. Plus short song.
also, as a mid/high D2 player, getting 9-1-1-1 playing it just now makes this easy-ish

**FontSize72LOL** · 02-13-2012, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

should be a 9. the entire file without the two bursts would be an 8. add the fast bursts (yes fast for a 9, but short enough to be easily readable) making this a 9. Plus short song.
also, as a mid/high D2 player, getting 9-1-1-1 playing it just now makes this easy-ish

For the length and amount of arrows, a 9-1-1-1 isn't especially hard to do. The file has 2 difficult sections imo, the speedup trill, and the 24th jump trill. I don't really care either way if it gets bumped down or stays the same, but if i had to choose between 9 or 10, I'd say just keep it a very very low 10.

**rushyrulz** · 02-15-2012, 08:03 PM

Low 10. You won't find 24th patterns like those in 9s.

**nickcool9999** · 03-22-2012, 08:40 PM

Almost SDGd this once and i can only SDG 7s, I think this deserves to be low 9, Yoshi's Cookie is really short and is much harder than this in terms of patterns.

**reuben_tate** · 03-22-2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickcool9999

Almost SDGd this once and i can only SDG 7s, I think this deserves to be low 9, Yoshi's Cookie is really short and is much harder than this in terms of patterns.

Like somehow has said before, depending on the length of a song, an sdg on a song of one difficulty isn't as impressive as an sdg of a song of a different length but the same difficulty. If you played the song 3 times back to back to so that the note count was about the same as the average note count of a lvl 10 song, that near sgd would turn into well over 30 goods.

Also, -most- of the song is about a low-9 for the most part, but the trills, especially the anchor trill thing, is something you'd never see in a 9.

**Zakvvv666** · 03-22-2012, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayword45

9 the way I see it.

Crowdpleaser features a couple of 13-worthy patterns, but remains stupidly easy the remainder, and is a 12 (although that's debatable)

Likewise, RunnyMorning features a mid-12 section, and some high 11/low-12 jumps bursts, but the rest remains a 10 AT BEST. And it gets 11.

The same may as well go for ABCDeath, since that hard section is basically a high 10, but the rest is low-9.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayword45

The above post has a 50% chance of being useless.

You sure hit the nail on the head, gg

In all seriousness though, it's a low VC, everyone needs to sto trying to say it's a 9, ESPECIALLY a low 9

**popsicle_3000** · 03-23-2012, 03:10 AM

replayed it again to see if my opinion has changed after reading people thoughts on my comment.
i guess have the same opinion, but i feel like this is a song which won't ever get consensus. so unique, and hard to judge

**hi19hi19** · 03-23-2012, 03:11 AM

Yeah it feels like the Crowdpleaser of 10s.
I can see it being left as a 10 honestly, but this discussion is worth having just because of how easy it is to luck a run on this file.
Comparing it to Yoshi's Cookie, I'd say it's actually easier to get good PA on this file with low speed. AAA and FCing is another matter entirely though (much like Crowdpleaser haha)

**popsicle_3000** · 03-23-2012, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Yeah it feels like the Crowdpleaser of 10s.
I can see it being left as a 10 honestly, but this discussion is worth having just because of how easy it is to luck a run on this file.

you're right. it is more to do w/ luck (for the sub D4 players anyways), than yoshi's would be for sub D2/3 players i'd recon

who_cares973 · 03-23-2012, 04:24 AM

I've played the file maybe 50 times or so. I've faced it maybe 20 times and AAAd it once

I say its a high 9 with a dick-in-ass section

Xx{Midnight}xX · 03-23-2012, 02:04 PM

Yes let's lower crowdpleaser to a 9... No on will notice the lol hard part.

Keep it as a ten thanks.

01-9-2012, 02:25 AM	#1
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	ABCDEath [10 or 9?] This file has been an unusually low 10 ever since it was added as a VC. Though it does have that one 17 NPS spike, the great majority of the file is mid-9 in difficulty. The patterns in the difficulty spike are not particularly complicated, merely slightly fast. Additionally, the rest of the file is so short and so comparatively trivial that it's easy to simply luck a good run on that one very small section. __________________ Last edited by hi19hi19; 01-9-2012 at 03:19 AM..

01-9-2012, 05:11 AM	#2
Magicturbo Beatrix~ Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,508	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] I'm working on that luck run. It's looking to possibly be my first VC AAA... Just because of the trill, along with the jumps thrown in the middle.. I think it should stay a low VC =X __________________

01-9-2012, 03:12 PM	#3
rayword45 Local Teenage Wastebasket Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: My bed Age: 26 Posts: 3,189	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] 9 the way I see it. Crowdpleaser features a couple of 13-worthy patterns, but remains stupidly easy the remainder, and is a 12 (although that's debatable) Likewise, RunnyMorning features a mid-12 section, and some high 11/low-12 jumps bursts, but the rest remains a 10 AT BEST. And it gets 11. The same may as well go for ABCDeath, since that hard section is basically a high 10, but the rest is low-9. __________________ The above post has a 50% chance of being useless. Potentially. Maybe. BEST AAAs: WANDERLUST, Pandora, Necropotence, Mourning The Lost, Eradication, Feldschlacht Hey, we need some users on this site. Please join. And if you have not recommended any albums yet, do so. Please. I have a goal to reach. Here. NO WAIT THAT SHIT'S OLD GO HERE INSTEAD.

01-9-2012, 04:46 PM	#6
Arbliterator FFR Veteran Join Date: Oct 2011 Age: 32 Posts: 780	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] The trills were always impossible to PA, 10 just because of that.

01-10-2012, 05:33 AM	#8
jprox445 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 532	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] The Trill with jumps is more somthing that would lean towards an 11 but since it is extremely easy until that point, it would lean towards a 9... The comparison I have is Bloodmeat [Heavy] althought it may not have the jumps included in it, it has around the same BPM with the trills... (10) no higher, no lower.

02-15-2012, 08:03 PM	#11
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] Low 10. You won't find 24th patterns like those in 9s. __________________

03-22-2012, 08:40 PM	#12
nickcool9999 The cool guy Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the skyyyy Posts: 115	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] Almost SDGd this once and i can only SDG 7s, I think this deserves to be low 9, Yoshi's Cookie is really short and is much harder than this in terms of patterns. __________________ Nothing needs to be here.

03-23-2012, 03:11 AM	#16
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] Yeah it feels like the Crowdpleaser of 10s. I can see it being left as a 10 honestly, but this discussion is worth having just because of how easy it is to luck a run on this file. Comparing it to Yoshi's Cookie, I'd say it's actually easier to get good PA on this file with low speed. AAA and FCing is another matter entirely though (much like Crowdpleaser haha) __________________

03-23-2012, 04:24 AM	#18
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] I've played the file maybe 50 times or so. I've faced it maybe 20 times and AAAd it once I say its a high 9 with a dick-in-ass section __________________

03-23-2012, 02:04 PM	#19
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: ABCDEath [10 or 9?] Yes let's lower crowdpleaser to a 9... No on will notice the lol hard part. Keep it as a ten thanks.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)