Homosexual Marriages - Page 3

Chrissi · 05-7-2004, 06:18 AM

Nobody's telling you to be gay, themanwithsauce.

**alainbryden** · 05-7-2004, 06:22 AM

themanwithsauce is a ***. But the reason for tax breaks to married couples has to do with kids and raising the population, at least in canada and US, where baby boomers are all becoming dependent members of society and the new generation is going to be paying all the taxes to take care of them. The more people to contribute to GNP, the better, hence the tax break influence. A gay man can't get pregnant right? Hence the double standard.

Anonymous · 05-7-2004, 06:32 AM

im just saying that i dont care what the outcome is cause i dont have to be involved with it, and for most of us, but not all, the outcome wont change the way we live our lives.

I wonder how people who have friends or family (or the persons themselves) who are homosexual feel about this issue because whether homosexual marriages become legal in all states could bring some drastic changs into their lives.

themanwithsauce · 05-7-2004, 06:33 AM

sorry about this but i forgot to login when i posted the above statement.

**alainbryden** · 05-7-2004, 06:38 AM

no one cares what you think.

Chrissi · 05-7-2004, 07:22 AM

alain, be careful with that phrase.

**alainbryden** · 05-7-2004, 09:35 AM

I'm sorry. I don't want to be like Moogy....

**Kilgamayan** · 05-7-2004, 10:16 AM

I bet if two homosexual women wanted to get married our male-dominated government would have no problem with that. -_- Goddamn homophobes.

**alainbryden** · 05-7-2004, 10:44 AM

no, it's the same economic principle. Many women have tried and been denied for the same reason.

perfect_fat · 05-8-2004, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

I bet if two homosexual women wanted to get married our male-dominated government would have no problem with that. -_- Goddamn homophobes.

I'm all for gay marriage, as long as both the chicks are hot.

Chrissi · 05-8-2004, 08:07 AM

Not serious, right perfect_fat?

esupin · 05-8-2004, 09:37 AM

this guy in my school has two moms. (he was adopted)
however, they're not hot...

DracIV · 05-8-2004, 02:30 PM

You could argue that two mothers would be an acceptable marriage practice no matter the beauty of either. Mothers are the ones instinctually trained to care for kids early on and traditionally have taken care of them throughout childhood. One could say that having two mothers is just as good as having one.

Jam930 · 05-18-2004, 04:53 AM

...one nation under god...

the united states is a nation under god.

bible says marriage is between a man and a woman.

would a nation under god just shrug it off and say its ok?

i personally dont think gay marriages are right, but i try to keep it to myself.

i think its fine if gay people like eachother, do whatever they want, but to call it a marriage...they should call it something else.

esupin · 05-18-2004, 01:43 PM

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However, the debate comes up regarding the state recognition of marital status (i.e. the issuance of marriage certificates).

I am personally against the legal recognition of #$* marriages. I have many #$* friends, and I understand that whether or not they get married their relationship would not change as a result of having another piece of paper and being able to call the other a spouse.

I agree, but if you are legally married, you can take the other person's health insurance coverages

Anonymous · 05-18-2004, 01:47 PM

Another thing-and this answers a big part of the constitution debate-is that you shouldn't go around making constitutional amendments for these sorts of things.
That is the biggest controversy among the people who disagree with gay marriages being recognized by the government. Lots of people disagree with it--but among those people, not so many are sure it should become an amendment.
Think of the kind of things that constitute amendments:
Freedom of speech, right to bear arms, search and seizure, silence...all these things are pretty fundamental rights. If you just tack on "and no gay marriages" at the end....it seems a little insignificant in comparison.
Another thing is that if you ever noticed: no amendment has ever limited the rights of the people except for one: prohibition. That was such a miserable failure that the 21st amendment repealed it. Lesson: amendments don't abridge the rights of the people.
This is the reason people who don't necessarily agree with gay marriage also don't always agree with the amendment. It seems like the best thing for you, Guido, would be to enact some sort of really strong-standing state laws since those can be agreed to much easier by the group opposing gay marriage.

Fuman86 · 05-18-2004, 01:48 PM

*sigh* yeah that was me again. Sorry. Login problems.

perfect_fat · 05-18-2004, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrissi

Not serious, right perfect_fat?

No not at all. I have no qualms with homosexual marriage. The United States has always had a bad record of human rights abuses, not on the scale of Stalin mind you, but nothing to brag about either.

In 50 years, they will be showing the anti-gay protestors in the same light they show the integration protestors today. As bigots who had no respect for diversity

**alainbryden** · 05-18-2004, 08:41 PM

JAm, "God" has shrugged alot of his initial principles away to conform to the desires of modern society.

Privateer · 05-18-2004, 08:53 PM

The "God" in our Pledge has absolutely no significance in the deciding of laws, etc. It was injected into our Pledge around 1950 because of the lack of patriotism in the U.S. It was thought that including something that is a huge part of the majority of citizens in the U.S. with their country would spark interest.

05-7-2004, 06:18 AM	#41
Chrissi FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Game Age: 37 Posts: 3,019	Nobody's telling you to be gay, themanwithsauce. __________________ C is for Charisma, it's why people think I'm great! I make my friends all laugh and smile and never want to hate!

05-7-2004, 06:22 AM	#42
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	themanwithsauce is a ***. But the reason for tax breaks to married couples has to do with kids and raising the population, at least in canada and US, where baby boomers are all becoming dependent members of society and the new generation is going to be paying all the taxes to take care of them. The more people to contribute to GNP, the better, hence the tax break influence. A gay man can't get pregnant right? Hence the double standard. __________________ ~NEIGH

05-7-2004, 06:33 AM	#44
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Chrissi FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Game Age: 37 Posts: 3,019	alain, be careful with that phrase. __________________ C is for Charisma, it's why people think I'm great! I make my friends all laugh and smile and never want to hate!

05-7-2004, 06:32 AM	#43
Anonymous FFR Player Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,088	im just saying that i dont care what the outcome is cause i dont have to be involved with it, and for most of us, but not all, the outcome wont change the way we live our lives. I wonder how people who have friends or family (or the persons themselves) who are homosexual feel about this issue because whether homosexual marriages become legal in all states could bring some drastic changs into their lives.

05-7-2004, 09:35 AM	#47
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	I'm sorry. I don't want to be like Moogy.... __________________ ~NEIGH

05-7-2004, 10:16 AM	#48
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05-7-2004, 10:44 AM	#49
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	no, it's the same economic principle. Many women have tried and been denied for the same reason. __________________ ~NEIGH

05-8-2004, 08:07 AM	#51
Chrissi FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Game Age: 37 Posts: 3,019	Not serious, right perfect_fat? __________________ C is for Charisma, it's why people think I'm great! I make my friends all laugh and smile and never want to hate!

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05-8-2004, 02:30 PM	#53
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	You could argue that two mothers would be an acceptable marriage practice no matter the beauty of either. Mothers are the ones instinctually trained to care for kids early on and traditionally have taken care of them throughout childhood. One could say that having two mothers is just as good as having one.

05-18-2004, 04:53 AM	#54
Jam930 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,069	...one nation under god... the united states is a nation under god. bible says marriage is between a man and a woman. would a nation under god just shrug it off and say its ok? i personally dont think gay marriages are right, but i try to keep it to myself. i think its fine if gay people like eachother, do whatever they want, but to call it a marriage...they should call it something else. __________________ -Jamie

05-18-2004, 01:47 PM	#56
Anonymous FFR Player Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,088	Another thing-and this answers a big part of the constitution debate-is that you shouldn't go around making constitutional amendments for these sorts of things. That is the biggest controversy among the people who disagree with gay marriages being recognized by the government. Lots of people disagree with it--but among those people, not so many are sure it should become an amendment. Think of the kind of things that constitute amendments: Freedom of speech, right to bear arms, search and seizure, silence...all these things are pretty fundamental rights. If you just tack on "and no gay marriages" at the end....it seems a little insignificant in comparison. Another thing is that if you ever noticed: no amendment has ever limited the rights of the people except for one: prohibition. That was such a miserable failure that the 21st amendment repealed it. Lesson: amendments don't abridge the rights of the people. This is the reason people who don't necessarily agree with gay marriage also don't always agree with the amendment. It seems like the best thing for you, Guido, would be to enact some sort of really strong-standing state laws since those can be agreed to much easier by the group opposing gay marriage.

05-18-2004, 01:48 PM	#57
Fuman86 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14	sigh yeah that was me again. Sorry. Login problems.

05-18-2004, 08:41 PM	#59
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	JAm, "God" has shrugged alot of his initial principles away to conform to the desires of modern society. __________________ ~NEIGH

05-18-2004, 08:53 PM	#60
Privateer FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 2,962	The "God" in our Pledge has absolutely no significance in the deciding of laws, etc. It was injected into our Pledge around 1950 because of the lack of patriotism in the U.S. It was thought that including something that is a huge part of the majority of citizens in the U.S. with their country would spark interest.

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