Old 11-25-2020, 04:38 PM   #1141
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:40 PM   #1142
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being real though, i will eventually crystalize everything. Im kind of memeing atm
Have you read DBP's post ? I think having your stance on that stuff is kinda important.
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:42 PM   #1143
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:43 PM   #1144
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Have you read DBP's post ? I think having your stance on that stuff is kinda important.
can you please tell me where I am likely to be wrong in my reads post?
pretty please?
s'il te plait?
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:45 PM   #1145
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Logically, you want to vote out Plop here to reinforce the FG/T-Force worlds.
Plop really needs to put more on the table than what he's been doing.

It's getting uncomfortably awkward to see him throw stances without explanations.

Also, this gives more time to FG/T-Force to say anything that could help confirm one side.

I also think wolf DBP wouldn't want me to pick choice #3 while exposing #1 vs #2. So, this is probably the ideal world that doesn't feel forced by a narrative.

Unless someone is town reading Plop ?

If you are, why ?
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:46 PM   #1147
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reading all of trevor's post
yeah, I give up
make all the pairings you guys want, its a really great way to play the game and you win big if you're right
I just hope you're right
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:47 PM   #1148
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can you please tell me where I am likely to be wrong in my reads post?
pretty please?
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Can I hold on that until Freezin "crystalize his thoughts" or whatever ?
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:47 PM   #1149
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Logically, you want to vote out Plop here to reinforce the FG/T-Force worlds.
Plop really needs to put more on the table than what he's been doing.

It's getting uncomfortably awkward to see him throw stances without explanations.

Also, this gives more time to FG/T-Force to say anything that could help confirm one side.

I also think wolf DBP wouldn't want me to pick choice #3 while exposing #1 vs #2. So, this is probably the ideal world that doesn't feel forced by a narrative.

Unless someone is town reading Plop ?

If you are, why ?
there is no fg/twgma pairing that needs to be solved

I was going to type this 10 more times, but my last post said I give up on that so

fuck me, I guess
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:48 PM   #1150
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Can I hold on that until Freezin "crystalize his thoughts" or whatever ?
as long as he does that within the next 24 hours from this post, sure
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there is no fg/twgma pairing that needs to be solved

I was going to type this 10 more times, but my last post said I give up on that so

fuck me, I guess
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:52 PM   #1152
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:55 PM   #1153
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the fact that i can make reads like this is pretty astonishing considering how little of what im reading im actually internalizing as of now
welcome to daily life with adhd! read something 5 times before figuring out what it means because your brain scrambled it up, then immediately forget what it was

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I've literally talked for years about how people need to stop inventing pairings/teams in their head because its stupid to try and solve the game based off of that

the more you build it up, almost certainly, the more incorrect it gets, which is why just finding a singular scum that you feel good about is, in my opinion, rather proper for most people (this assumes no mechanical information that creates a dichotomy)

I have said this for literally years
This is why I love you sunfan. also haku you asked for advice earlier? STOP DOING THIS
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:57 PM   #1154
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Are there people other than haku who are considering yoshl to be off the table?
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:11 PM   #1155
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please don't give up, im listening
alright, I'll make a post to air all my thoughts on this

lets say, for a moment, that someone develops a w/w pairing, and surprise! the postgame says they were right (this assumes there was no mechanical information to base this w/w pairing on). How many times have you seen this? Now compare that number to how many times you think they were right for the right reason(s). You should have a very low number, right? Probably single-digits?

The reason your number is so low is because people almost never put everything together for the right reasons in TWG. Its like trying to see 13 moves ahead in Chess, and not just building hypothesis and analyzing lines about what your opponent might do, its literally knowing/guessing that your opponent is going to behave exactly this way for the next long while; its just not realistic for almost everyone to do.

So, I pose the question, why do people keep trying it if they're almost never right for the right reasons? There's probably a lot of different answers that can mesh together here, bias and people feeling like its what they're supposed to do being one. I counter this with the idea that you don't need to try and pin two of the three wolves together based on reasoning, you just need to find them individually scummy.

How many times in your life have you seen a town be right on two scumreads? Compare it to how many times you think that this was for the right reason(s). Ok, I'll grant that the number is probably not gigantic, but its almost certainly bigger than the original number, you probably did math wrong if you didn't get a larger figure.

The reason that this is higher is because its a lot easier to be right on two individual scumreads, especially given that the first flip actually helps you narrow things down a lot, whereas you're just up shit creek without a paddle in the other world where you've built a world of two.

The first world has you chase two rabbits, the second world has you chase one one day and another the next. Odds are you're going to catch more rabbits in the second path.

This is why its so frustrating today to see people talk about pairings, and I know I only talked about wolves together (I think there is a very small number of people on the internet who correctly make reads based on "these two people aren't wolves together," star-crossed is one of them for example), but I would generally apply it to w/t reads as well, because it does cast a wider net and people generally don't know what they're doing.

Even if people are right, and there's this overwhelming amount of information that needs to be resolved between fg/force or fg/plop (there isn't), then I would posit that they almost definitely have not gotten to a correct conclusion by the correct means, and the next time they try it as town, they are almost certainly not going to have a repeat result

I could talk about the math here, but its kind of boring to me, but you probably can tell that, even if humans are at least slightly better at developing reads than they would be if they randomly made them, that trying to chase two rabbits will generally not turn out well

it also gives wolves more leeway for their pushes, but that's a hard topic to talk about in general

tl;dr almost everyone would be better served just finding two or three scummy people and trying to decide between them, rather than spend time and effort on developing a world/team that will almost never be right for the right reasons
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:21 PM   #1156
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Are there people other than haku who are considering yoshl to be off the table?
I have a town lean on him, because I seem to remember this style of play back in the Senpai game and that's all I've really got.

So I wouldn't be sad if he died and flipped town, I'd prefer if we looked elsewhere just for today
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:22 PM   #1157
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I hope Yoshl is a wolf and wins this game so that your anus knows the feeling of losing to him, Shadow_God

you'll never have a stupid townread on him again
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:23 PM   #1158
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I have a town lean on him, because I seem to remember this style of play back in the Senpai game and that's all I've really got.

So I wouldn't be sad if he died and flipped town, I'd prefer if we looked elsewhere just for today
Can you point anything out about his style that is similar? and you realize that "just for today" is kinda hard when we've already lost 3 town right
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:25 PM   #1159
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Sunfan's post is probably right in terms of the numbers and such, but all I can think about is "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

So maybe the pairing sucks, but dammit, Plop is still the wolfiest player in this game, imo, and FG is not far behind.
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:29 PM   #1160
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Alright, I made a rare evening cup of mud and I'm gonna sip on it as I reread the thread in full.
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