Old 11-26-2020, 04:09 PM   #1341
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smacked with irl til now, and even now i should be starting to cook

to address sunfan specifically:
saying "yoshl is playing like a natural town, and i don't have anything to point out therefore because yoshl can act this way as scum, scumread."
sure PoE exists with people playing towny, but at the same time, the reasoning feels like garbage tier lazy and it's not something i expect coming from sunfan especially.
i also agree with freezin in that you're playing pretty safe, in not actually giving concrete scumreads. out of your PoE, it wasn't that you had a specific person who you had most scummy, but you've fallen back on the "well i wanted people to talk about freezin" from what it looks like. no actual commitment to the hunt of scum tbh

post #1081 plop says haku is making sense right now, and i would very hard disagree, because his reads progression is literally nonexistent from what i can glean.

post #1088 I actually like freezin's reaction to sunfan, mostly because it's pretty heavily mirroring what i'm thinking tbh. I think freezin town here 9 times out of 10, don't think he comes back and picks a fight with sunfan like that if he's W and gets a pressure vote - he's actually looking into sunfan's actions and case and addressing that fact - that sunfan doesn't seem to actually have any cases towards his non-PoE, and is trying to push worlds that aren't the main ones being discussed at the time.

Trevor's #1136 post i'd like to comment on a bit, because i feel like there's a couple good points, but they amount to stuff that i think could either be NAI or wolf leaning given the context.
The first section where he mentions fg's vote on plop is a weak, because i don't think that really amounts to "distancing" in any traditional sense, throwing a vote onto plop at EoD.
The hindsight section is actually throwing me for a loop because even earlier in the game sunfan was like "hey my bones are a rattlin we're gonna hit green" and there wasn't too much said about that.
I don't think plop's post that t-force is referring to is actually even bad, because i think most people were on that same mindset of voting ulle d0, so plop isn't even wrong there.

I also think that his analysis on Haku being town is super weak. "It would be very hard to keep up that facade for so long" is more or less just an assumption that can't really be backed up with any in thread evidence - none of the actual analyzing done was spent on what they were actually saying, or how haku's reads and opinions were developing (i still can't follow haku's progressions lmao)

#1171 - one of the few good Tforce posts this game i think but doesn't really change the overarching wolfy vibe tbh

(intermission) throughout thread, I personally *still* don't have a good grasp on mellon, i'm not reading her on either side, i've seen stuff like "she's more assertive this game" and a couple other things, but if someone can explain like more in-depth why they're reading mellon the way they are, i'd appreciate

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Also also, with the exception of sunfan, people kept townreading you with minimal explanation given, and since no one really answered me when I asked them to elaborate, I got contrarian and leaned into the scumread harder than I would've otherwise, lol...
which again is literally what i feel, and i don't think i grasp even plop's reasoning other than "i was wrong last time" i think?

#1234 - ok never mind actually lmao i think i remember now someone pointed out earlier the mellon advice and this actually feels so towny, i was thinking the same thing as haku started back up with the three wolf world build
still, to me it feels like such a weird feeling that i feel like i know, but i don't actually know, and am still wondering if anyone else can like, elucidate this kind of thing still

stopped right before plop wall, will continue with that. sunfan claims that "Yoshl, Force, Freezin & plop" are part of his non poe, and actually reading back through his post #1073, that raeko read is so gas filled that it'd blow away with a fart like, damn why is she not part of PoE when she fits your criteria, especially in that no-one really has been talking about her? again looking back, it feels super contrived and not actually a quality PoE

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Old 11-26-2020, 04:19 PM   #1342
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I moved Ulli's vote to FFA because for all intents and purposes thats where it was.

Now,for a wagon analysis you'd ideally like to have 1 red flip to really start being able to draw conclusions. The fact that both the top wagons are definitively town is also not great. So this is more to organize my thoughts than anything.

You have 2 major groups that emerge from this EoD:

>People who have took a side on FFA vs Ulli
>People who stayed out of it for various reasons


from a wolfs pov as a human vs human interaction with no stakes in the outcome, i would bet the safer play would be to stay out compared to weigh in.

So i think that there is likely a wolf in the following group of people who stayed out of the EoD clusterfuck (Sunfan, YoshiL, Haku).

I think law of averages puts a wolf in the other group as well, so the trick now is finding which of those votes looks the most out of place.

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Well i reread eod a few times and theres and this is what i have

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>DBP had an actual reason for his vote that made sense
>Xiz had an actual reason for his vote that made sense
>Mellos vote made sense because you could see the thought process that led to her finally settling on Ulli

???:

>Fg voted plop then ulli. I read the explanation that someone else gave for why she did it and was like "ok w/e"
>Plop started the FFA Wagon, dunno if thats good or bad, he was kind of slow burning on FFA then this comes out of nowhere

Bad

shadow moved his vote like 28945432879 times
tforce materialized a vote from nowhere on FFA

So 2nd wolf can be within (FG/Subaru, Plop, Shadow, Tforce)

3rd wolf could be in either of those groups

Dont think DBP is wolfing
Dont think Mello is wolfing

After resetting and actually thinking about the game, those are my only 2 ride or die townreads, everyone else is on the table.

Stay tuned for part 2 coming whenever i feel like it
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>Sunfan reads post 1073 for reference

I dont think FG/Subaru is a solid town, i think you are reaching with the assumption you made on why she switched from plop to Ulli and willfully ignoring the entire debacle that was her eod, including some stuff i would borderline call open wolfing. I expect you to revise that read heavily especially since subaru replaced into the slot.

I agree with your townread on Raeko in principle but it feels weak. If you actually felt how you described she should be closer to null or even on the table. You pretty much even admitted as such near the end of that read.

There was alot of filler words in your bottom scum list and my eyes glazed over involuntarily. w/e
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it sure felt like a thing that dbp would think and post.

I really cant wrap my head around a dynamic between fg / tforce but ill try to read it again later and ill update if i have any new thoughts
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i think im done digging my past self out of all the holes i fell in when i was barely coherently playing the game

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Freezin literally plays this game hoping he ends up in a thunderdome with someone
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i might miss EoD due to thanksgiving but ill try to be here

ill also stick around for a bit here because i dont think ive done any realtime interactions with anyone this game and im feeling lonely
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Raeko would be nice too but shes always hiding

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or even sunfan.

whats your thoughts now that you read my big post and find yourself squarely in my sights?
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ill care more about yoshl once he shows his hand and reveals who hes gunning for today and i can cross reference that with his progression

until then im just sitting here reading his wall post thinking "yep those are things that happened and i could see why youd think that"
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stopped right before plop wall, will continue with that. sunfan claims that "Yoshl, Force, Freezin & plop" are part of his non poe, and actually reading back through his post #1073, that raeko read is so gas filled that it'd blow away with a fart like, damn why is she not part of PoE when she fits your criteria, especially in that no-one really has been talking about her? again looking back, it feels super contrived and not actually a quality PoE
ok this is actually not the worst criticism so thank you

my raeko read is largely based on meta here, I haven't seen her play as wolf in a while (there was a turbo where she got dunked, I think, but I was hosting and I'll be honest I wasn't really reading it). I remember reading her hard scum when she was scum however long ago it was, but I can't really tell you why I was so right that one time in the past.

Here, it doesn't feel like she has an agenda, that would be something I think everyone can agree on thus far, but that's an easy thing to say.

I'm not here to disrespect raeko. Roundbox had a point when he talked about many things in the TWG Toxicity thread, specifically regarding "old boys" and gender preference, to name a two. Raeko is an old boy, older than any of us in TWG years as a matter of fact (aside from maybe roundbox, I am too lazy to check this), but is rarely treated as one. She also isn't a boy.

Now, what the fuck am I talking about? Good question. I feel like Roundbox made a good point, specifically for myself. Funnygurl, when talking to her (I hope this isn;t something she said to me privately but I'm 98% sure it was public) that she has felt like she never thought she was good at the game until she played on other forums, and felt respect there.

It crushed me to read that.

Raeko has talked in this thread and others about being disrespected. She's also said that she thinks she's not very good at TWG before, which is a point that I think I rather disagree with in this game thus far.

Look at her actual posts this game, no she doesn't have a reads list, and I've said before that reads lists are overrated. Her points this game are good. Just off the top of my head, my townread on her began when she reminded someone that votes should be taken in the context under which they were cast before the first EOD got pushed back.

My best memory of when she was wolfing was her feeling a bit aimless. I also remember that I had a burning fury inside of me to get her killed, and failed at doing so. I don't have that this game at all.

This might be best described as a feels read, and might also best be filed under trying to be marginally more inclusive in a place that I might not have been as respectful as I should have been before.

I have to be honest and say I'm rather sure I would be townreading her even if the toxicity thread hadn't been made. But I do think that the thread made me realize a little bit here that I might not have before.

If I have the time, I'll go through her iso and hit you with a few quotes that feel especially good to me
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dont kink shame dude
far be it from me to do that to anyone but lewdy, who will burn in pits of tar in hades for eternity for his sins
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