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some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
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Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-e...its-defamation
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/3....ng-anti-christ "promoting anomisity", "promiting hostility", "promoting malice" are all extremely open for interpretation as they are vague. what counts as "hostility" in, say, a rough neighborhood in LA is vastly different than what counts as "hostility" at Oxford. clearly, the term is open for interpretation in a very broad way. these terms are along the same lines of vagueness as terms like "personal attacks", "insults", "being mean", and so on. the CT threads I posted recently (one about the vagueness of terms like "being nice", one about the vaguenss of terms like "insult") show that this isn't immediately obvious to everyone, nor is it self-evident. there's widespread disagreement about what these things mean. using the term again doesn't make "hate group" less meaningless. it just means you're rolling with a term that hasn't been defined well. "well, like I said, bad people shouldn't get money" where "bad people" = whatever you want. Last edited by Arch0wl; 08-24-2018 at 04:40 PM.. |
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Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
well, if most people "understood" what hostility, malice and so on were in the case of race, then there wouldn't be so many authors agreeing that hate group classifications are vague.
you can chalk this up to some error on my part, but that doesn't help you understand anything. I could easily just say, in turn, that you're simplifying a complex social phenomenon due to (insert some negative trait about you). this needs to be provabe in some way. a person saying "hey, there are a lot of ways to look at this situation" doesn't mean they have trouble with context. context is quite easy for me to understand. in fact, it's because there are so many angles from which to come at a situation that it's easy for me to see how these terms are vague. the more I learn socially the more this is true; situations seemed more straightforward when I knew less about other human beings. with the trend of more knowledge = more complexity, I would be lying to myself and you if I agreed with this being merely a context issue. finally, "hostility" is not something that is clear due to racial context. if you participate in a discussion group of largely economically well-off people, even so much as swearing will be regarded as hostile. this has nothing to do with race, but just perceptions of hostility which may be directed at race. meanwhile, if samuel l jackson swears, he's just talking. regardless, if the quoted article was not enough for you, try this (canadian, but relevant): https://theconversation.com/section-...repealed-64482 or this (an scholarly publication on the issue): https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewconte...522&context=lr |
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Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
Idc how hard it is to define, I agree with choof.
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Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
for the purposes of your view being true you should care, because that's empty disagreement otherwise -- i.e. you're agreeing on something that still has a glaring problem. the issues outlined in those essays and articles I sent you aren't going away.
on the other hand, I think this is a completely different topic now. is it possible for the moderators to split the topic (starting with choof's post about the horowitz group being undeserving of funds), then lock the other one? that would make this more relevant. |
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
nice thread title miss me with that nerd shit
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
were they truly old?
were they truly white? were they truly racist??? |
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
why did this need 2 threads
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
it was split by arch's request but someone (presumably dev based on the initial wording lol) titled it "Morality Of Visa's denial of Horowitz" and that was just way too nerdy of a title if I'm to be to OP
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
the maddest amount of respect
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
there are two issues here:
1. whether "hate group" is a useful label, or too vague to be useful 2. whether VISA/mastercard denied the horowitz center due to speech reasons, or due to some other reason #2, I think, is largely settled; it's very improbable that this happened. this is good news. however, #1 is still an issue worth discussing, and imo more relevant, so I requested the threads be split. |
08-29-2018, 07:39 AM | #15 |
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Re: some old white racists got fuckin owned by visa and why that's a good thing
why is visa messing with this jewish man's nonprofit? very anti-semitic!
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