changing style

xNiX · 03-10-2014, 10:39 AM

I played linear spread for most of my ffr/sm career, but I feel like I can't get any faster due to my inability to trill very fast. So then, I switched to inverted to see if I could get faster or better. Anybody here play inverted at all? Seems harder on my forearms but I have topped my MA easily on certain songs.

**NeonSM** · 03-10-2014, 10:41 AM

what is inverted spread? 'wdok' or something?

xNiX · 03-10-2014, 10:47 AM

Yeah, or something like "rghi". So far it seems like doing rolls are much easier and that was one of my biggest weaknesses. My stamina also appears to have taken a huge toll as well.

**Dynam0** · 03-10-2014, 10:50 AM

Isn't that just called concave/convex setup?? You aren't actually inverting anything.

xNiX · 03-10-2014, 10:52 AM

Oh is it? Excuse me for getting the terminology mixed up. This is all really new to me, and I wanted to see if there was anyone with a similar playing style; maybe even possibly someone who previously played like this.

**CZarkou II** · 03-10-2014, 11:19 AM

i was playing that way like for half of year or somethin (qslp) but i found that linear spread (dfkl currently) is way better for me. It's all comes to practice to trilling fast i guess.

xNiX · 03-10-2014, 11:33 AM

That's what I keep being told but it feels like it's almost as if linear caps my speed on oht. I could oht over 210 once I switched styles, but found it a little harder to jack around 170 16ths.

**CZarkou II** · 03-10-2014, 12:48 PM

i forget to add, it all comes down to personal preferences, but from experience i know that practice makes perfect, i live for a long time with different conviction but since i rise up my left oh trilling from less than 200 to even 260 i know that's the only right way, i mean practice
but anyway, try different setup cuz you never know which will be the best for You, but unfortunately 1st you must get used to the new one, and in extreme cases you may discover that the previous was better and then back to older setup can be very uncomfortable

bless ya and good luck mate! :')

**samurai7694** · 03-10-2014, 01:34 PM

I currently use YHKO and I improved a LOT (one hand trilling on left hand slightly better, anchor patterns feel easier to hit, etc,). For me it feels like each individual finger has a bit of space while a setup like CVBN or ASDF feels uncomfortable, especially with trilling.

xNiX · 03-10-2014, 02:16 PM

That's exactly how I felt as well. Trilling is VERY uncomfortable unless I have some sort of space between my fingers. Maybe that's because I have giant hands or maybe because they just aren't very coordinated while playing linear? Lol

KrazyKitsune · 03-10-2014, 02:32 PM

That setup is generally referred to as a concave setup (I don't recall it being referred to as inverted spread before). If your middle fingers are a lot longer than your index fingers, you might find concave more comfortable. On the other hand, if your index and middle fingers don't have a significant difference in length, you might prefer linear spread more. That's how I've always viewed it.

There are other factors that can influence which setup you prefer, such as the angle you position your hands in. And, of course, you may prefer a different setup regardless of digit ratio. Keep on experimenting with different setups until you find one that best fits you.

Izzy · 03-10-2014, 02:41 PM

I see that everyone felt the need to rename the playstyle I made up forever ago. Not that I particularly cared about the name, but at least it had a name that wasn't any better or worse than concave or inverted. It had this name since 2006-2007ish.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ight=playstyle

Personally it has always worked really well for jumpstream in comparison to typical spread. I never noticed a difference in trills.

KrazyKitsune · 03-10-2014, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy

I see that everyone felt the need to rename the playstyle I made up forever ago. Not that I particularly cared about the name, but at least it had a name that wasn't any better or worse than concave or inverted.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ight=playstyle

Well, I guess diagonal spread makes more sense than inverted spread. Still, I think I like the word concave a little better, haha.

xNiX · 03-10-2014, 02:45 PM

So what's inverted? (I'm sleep deprived now. Sorry for dumb questions)

Solomine Gray · 03-10-2014, 03:26 PM

Inverted is nothing. But if you were to invert diagonal spread, like using a,w,i,l for example, then I guess that would be the closest thing.

Also I find that the angle your keyboard is titled on your desk really has something to do with the best key setup, but that's probably obvious.

Izzy · 03-10-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Solomine Gray

like using a,w,i,l for example, then I guess that would be the closest thing.

Damn that is ridiculously uncomfortable. The idea of using q,s,l,p was to be more natural feeling. If you lay your hands out on your keyboard you'll notice your middle and index fingers will be closer to 2 separate rows.

**XelNya** · 03-10-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KrazyKitsune

That setup is generally referred to as a concave setup (I don't recall it being referred to as inverted spread before). If your middle fingers are a lot longer than your index fingers, you might find concave more comfortable. On the other hand, if your index and middle fingers don't have a significant difference in length, you might prefer linear spread more. That's how I've always viewed it.

There are other factors that can influence which setup you prefer, such as the angle you position your hands in. And, of course, you may prefer a different setup regardless of digit ratio. Keep on experimenting with different setups until you find one that best fits you.

I've never heard of it referred to as any term used in this thread. I've always heard it referred to as "Hybrid" because it's supposed to give you some of the perks of index (such as runningman and and easier times with one handed trills) while still giving you the four finger setup, and sacrificing a bit of JS ability. Personally I despise this setup it's so uncomfortable.

Solomine Gray · 03-10-2014, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzy

Damn that is ridiculously uncomfortable. The idea of using q,s,l,p was to be more natural feeling. If you lay your hands out on your keyboard you'll notice your middle and index fingers will be closer to 2 separate rows.

Yeah, I can't imagine any kind of setup deserving of being called inverted ever being very good.

As for a natural feeling setup, that's what I'm talking about with the keyboard angle. It sounds like your keyboard is pretty square with your desk and where you're sitting. If your keyboard is titled at an angle, then one of your hands will end up playing keys side-by-side to compensate for the angle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya

I've always heard it referred to as "Hybrid"

What? It's not a hybrid spread at all. Hybrid spread is when one hand uses the index and middle fingers while the other hand uses the middle and ring fingers, it's half pettanko.

Wayward Vagabond · 03-10-2014, 05:36 PM

you mean concave

i play concave btw

**Dynam0** · 03-10-2014, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzy

I see that everyone felt the need to rename the playstyle I made up forever ago. Not that I particularly cared about the name, but at least it had a name that wasn't any better or worse than concave or inverted. It had this name since 2006-2007ish.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ight=playstyle

Personally it has always worked really well for jumpstream in comparison to typical spread. I never noticed a difference in trills.

Interesting because I never remembered hearing the term diagonal spread before...in fact it wasn't until recently in Patashu's Stepmania Terminology thread that I saw concave/convex styles classifying that way of playing at all. Those terms fit more imo because they are more specific since diagonal spread can refer to either convex/concave setups (though convex seems extremely uncomfortable I agree lol).

Inverted setup would literally mean reversing the configuration (so left hand plays right side and right hand plays left side). I had a friend who played with a weird semi-inverted style on the arrow keys; his left hand would do left+down like normal spread but his right middle would be on the up key and his right index would be on the right key. I was always annoyed because he would have to reposition the keyboard at a 45 degree angle to play like that but I liked to tape my keyboard down in a particular spot

03-10-2014, 10:39 AM	#1
xNiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,063	changing style I played linear spread for most of my ffr/sm career, but I feel like I can't get any faster due to my inability to trill very fast. So then, I switched to inverted to see if I could get faster or better. Anybody here play inverted at all? Seems harder on my forearms but I have topped my MA easily on certain songs. __________________

03-10-2014, 10:41 AM	#2
NeonSM Я тебя люблю Маша Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 571	Re: changing style what is inverted spread? 'wdok' or something?

03-10-2014, 10:47 AM	#3
xNiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,063	Re: changing style Yeah, or something like "rghi". So far it seems like doing rolls are much easier and that was one of my biggest weaknesses. My stamina also appears to have taken a huge toll as well. __________________

03-10-2014, 10:50 AM	#4
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 34 Posts: 8,987	Re: changing style Isn't that just called concave/convex setup?? You aren't actually inverting anything.

03-10-2014, 10:52 AM	#5
xNiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,063	Re: changing style Oh is it? Excuse me for getting the terminology mixed up. This is all really new to me, and I wanted to see if there was anyone with a similar playing style; maybe even possibly someone who previously played like this. __________________ Last edited by xNiX; 03-10-2014 at 10:58 AM..

03-10-2014, 11:33 AM	#7
xNiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,063	Re: changing style That's what I keep being told but it feels like it's almost as if linear caps my speed on oht. I could oht over 210 once I switched styles, but found it a little harder to jack around 170 16ths. __________________

03-10-2014, 01:34 PM	#9
samurai7694 ❤ Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 4,638	Re: changing style I currently use YHKO and I improved a LOT (one hand trilling on left hand slightly better, anchor patterns feel easier to hit, etc,). For me it feels like each individual finger has a bit of space while a setup like CVBN or ASDF feels uncomfortable, especially with trilling. __________________

03-10-2014, 02:16 PM	#10
xNiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,063	Re: changing style That's exactly how I felt as well. Trilling is VERY uncomfortable unless I have some sort of space between my fingers. Maybe that's because I have giant hands or maybe because they just aren't very coordinated while playing linear? Lol __________________ Last edited by xNiX; 03-10-2014 at 02:19 PM..

03-10-2014, 02:32 PM	#11
KrazyKitsune FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 602	Re: changing style That setup is generally referred to as a concave setup (I don't recall it being referred to as inverted spread before). If your middle fingers are a lot longer than your index fingers, you might find concave more comfortable. On the other hand, if your index and middle fingers don't have a significant difference in length, you might prefer linear spread more. That's how I've always viewed it. There are other factors that can influence which setup you prefer, such as the angle you position your hands in. And, of course, you may prefer a different setup regardless of digit ratio. Keep on experimenting with different setups until you find one that best fits you.

03-10-2014, 02:41 PM	#12
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: changing style I see that everyone felt the need to rename the playstyle I made up forever ago. Not that I particularly cared about the name, but at least it had a name that wasn't any better or worse than concave or inverted. It had this name since 2006-2007ish. http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ight=playstyle Personally it has always worked really well for jumpstream in comparison to typical spread. I never noticed a difference in trills. Last edited by Izzy; 03-10-2014 at 02:44 PM..

03-10-2014, 02:45 PM	#14
xNiX FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,063	Re: changing style So what's inverted? (I'm sleep deprived now. Sorry for dumb questions) __________________

03-10-2014, 03:26 PM	#15
Solomine Gray Forum User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 529	Re: changing style Inverted is nothing. But if you were to invert diagonal spread, like using a,w,i,l for example, then I guess that would be the closest thing. Also I find that the angle your keyboard is titled on your desk really has something to do with the best key setup, but that's probably obvious.

03-10-2014, 05:36 PM	#19
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,858	Re: changing style you mean concave i play concave btw __________________

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