Sexuality and Gender

[korny]

Very good read


http://www.thenewatlantis.com/public...ity-and-gender

[j-rodd123]

is this supposed to be something new? because like, it was nothing new

[tosh]

It arose from a request from Paul R. McHugh, M.D., the former chief of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Hospital and one of the leading psychiatrists in the world. Dr. McHugh requested that I review a monograph he and colleagues had drafted on subjects related to sexual orientation and identity...

The same Paul McHugh that has called homosexuality an "erroneous desire" and that the Catholic priest sex scandal on children was more about "homosexual predation on American Catholic youth" and not pedophilia?

However, I will still attempt to give it a fair read when I'm on my computer and not a tablet. Not expecting anything good since McHugh is vehemently anti-LGBT and has been for decades, but we'll see.

Edit: Have read through the Preface and Executive Summary so far and my word document is already over 2 pages long. Oh boy.

[korny]

Originally Posted by tosh

The same Paul McHugh that has called homosexuality an "erroneous desire" and that the Catholic priest sex scandal on children was more about "homosexual predation on American Catholic youth" and not pedophilia?

I know nothing about that I just like how the ambiguity of certain descriptive words in reference to science and human sexuality was described amongst other things that I'll likely elaborate upon when my health returns

[DaBackpack]

I read most of it, and while I can't argue against evidence, I can argue about the judgments to be made about sexuality and gender identity.

I can totally believe that mental health disorders are strongly present in LGBT subpopulations. I've had heard this in person from mental health professionals I really trust. I'd even be open to agreeing (given evidence) that there is a connection between mental health problems and LGBT subpopulations. Same thing with non-cis gender identity.

But what people often do with this information is to discredit the legitimacy of LGBT and non-cis gender identity.

To be short, my question to the supposition that LGBT is 'abnormal' is "so what?" So what if LGBT members are more prone to mental health disorders? Hell, so what if LGBT identity is caused by mental disorders? What does that matter? Do their problems suddenly not matter the same if they're not neurotypical?

"Ha ha gender dysphoria isn't caused by biology haha" -- even if that was true, so fucking what? Are you gonna say that their dysphoria suddenly isn't a problem because it isn't biological?

I actually appreciate the tone used by the author at points. Empirically speaking, it's near undeniable the correlation between mental health and LGBT subpopulations. I hate to say it, but it's true. But instead of refuting the "legitimacy" of their feelings, he proffers that these people should be able to receive help and are at particular risk.

EDIT: To bring this closer to home, there is a lot of research (maybe not so much anymore, but over the last decade) over whether or not homosexuality occurs in animals. My question is the same: why does that matter? People want to say that "if it isn't 'natural' then it's not real" or something like that.

Like even if something ridiculous like "LGBT is caused by mental health disorders" was proven (p.s. it never will be) that just serves as a motivation to supply more attention to these populations, not sneer at them and tell them their problems somehow aren't real.

[DaBackpack]

And also, while the "born this way" theory didn't have any strong evidence supporting it (according to the authors) there is no alternate hypothesis posited, so I'd take that point with a grain of salt (or many)

[top]

Do what you want people. It's when shit gets forced down others throats that you're making a bad name for yourself.
Like, we get it. We just don't care. Which can be good and bad. Goes for anything.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by top

Do what you want people. It's when shit gets forced down others throats that you're making a bad name for yourself.
Like, we get it. We just don't care. Which can be good and bad. Goes for anything.

when ppl stop getting literally murdered for their sexuality then I'd agree

[top]

When people stop getting murdered.

[DaBackpack]

more like "when people stop murdering people over their sexuality" but the first one sounded better

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

labels suck

[massflavour]

good thread, thumbs up

[IwasAsquidOnce]

i gotta weinwein 8===D

[blindreper1179]

I identify as a $25 Wal-Mart gift card.

[IamMe90]

Originally Posted by top

Do what you want people. It's when shit gets forced down others throats that you're making a bad name for yourself.
Like, we get it. We just don't care. Which can be good and bad. Goes for anything.

this is completely asinine and terrible

i think i know what you're saying, and what i think you're saying is asinine and terrible, but just the face value of this post is also asinine and terrible, so you kinda made a double whammy there

[IamMe90]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I identify as a $25 Wal-Mart gift card.

your better than that man

[dAnceguy117]

Yeah $30 at least

[thesunfan]

I'd spend the shit out of you, Pip

[top]

Originally Posted by IamMe90

this is completely asinine and terrible

i think i know what you're saying, and what i think you're saying is asinine and terrible, but just the face value of this post is also asinine and terrible, so you kinda made a double whammy there

Good 1. Explain to me how accepting people for what they are (while not really giving a shit either way cuz hey you're a human) but at the same time not wanting their bullshit shoved down my throat is aSaNiNe & tERrIbLe

This goes for anything. Straights, gays, TrAnSgEnDeReD, vegans, religious, etc.

[top]

There are some in the transgendered and feminist community that have made such a terrible name for the whole, simply by fucking bitching all the time.
In my eyes here's what they look like to me, Jehovah's witnesses, except when they come knocking on your door they bust it down and set everything on fire while screaming, NOTICE ME