TWG XXXVII - Page 2

Afrobean · 10-10-2006, 06:18 PM

Based on things I've asked Stoic, I'd say it would be near impossible for there to not be a time travel guardian (also consider that ressurrection of dead players is a corner stone of the game).

Wilkin · 10-10-2006, 07:12 PM

Lezzgo:

1) Talisman. A standard Night 1 kill in my opinion, due to his experience and reputation. It'd be quite a gamble as a self-wolfing, since the only real way to resurrect them is for a time-travel guardian to act (I'll elaborate in a bit on this). Though anything is possible this game, I wouldn't worry too much about Talisman's alignment if he does come back.

2) Time travel. Stoic said that there would be at least one time travel wolf in this game. If Talisman and any others get a backdated guard, the wolves finding the guardian (which we can pretty much all agree exists by this point) could time travel back and kill him Night 1 and undo everything he's done the entire game. Of course, this all depends on the wolves finding the guardian, the guardian actually having time travel powers (as opposed to a blue completely devoted to time travel), etc. This completely complicated scenario leads into my next subject:

3) Time travel wtf. No time travel in this game is safe. Any wolf who goes back and does an alternate kill could risk getting killed themselves, just like a guardian saving someone, and getting subsequently lynched due to mulitple votes sent in. Thus said, I think we should all come to an agreement about posting all of our numbered votes, or PMing the second and third to Stoic.

I'm interested in everyone else's views on these subjects, as well.

sertman · 10-10-2006, 07:17 PM

I was thinking about this too. It's to our advantage that the wolves don't know ALL of our votes, but in order to prevent the wolves from bandwagoning easily by just PMing the votes, your idea is what we should do.

**iggymatrixcounter** · 10-10-2006, 07:46 PM

Well if you do send votes to stoic, send them to me too if you trust me. That way I can better plan where things go and happen.

Afrobean · 10-10-2006, 08:11 PM

ugh you ****ing people

Wilkin says we should give INSANELY VALUABLE INFO to the wolves.

IT DOESN'T AID THE HUMANS AT ALL TO KNOW WHO WOULD BE LYNCHED IN PLACE IF A LYNCH IS CHANGED. IT ONLY ALLOWS THE WOLVES TO PLAN THEIR TIME TRAVELINGS SO THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE GET LYNCHED.

Although, I suppose, even with us all posting our choices, the wolves still wouldn't have the whole picture. There are the votes of dead players to account for. YOUR PLAN IS USELESS, WILKIN.

sertman · 10-10-2006, 08:15 PM

uh where in his plan does it say that the wolves get any type of valuable info

Afrobean · 10-10-2006, 08:17 PM

It let's them know who the second choice for lynch is. That is massive.

sertman · 10-10-2006, 08:20 PM

Oh wow I completely misread his post... i read it as "...only posting our first numbered vote, and then pming the second and third to stoic"

Yeah that's bad wilkin

Wilkin · 10-10-2006, 08:23 PM

I was just saying that since Stoic said we could do either in the original thread, we should agree on which method to take (or mix them for strategic purposes). I wasn't condoning either method specifically.

Afrobean · 10-10-2006, 08:27 PM

Well you shouldn't have even mentioned posting them openly. That's such a blatently stupid idea, there shouldn't even be discussion to it.

Wilkin · 10-10-2006, 08:32 PM

Well, just as he wolves could use it to go back and get someone lynched, a time-traveler human could do the same to take out a person they feel is a wolf. And while doing so might kill off a different human, the wolves doing it could have the same effect. I was just wondering how people felt about it beyond know the order of lynches if a tear happens.

CypherToorima · 10-10-2006, 09:33 PM

I feel like we should pm our second and/or third votes to Stoic. there's not very much for humans to gain from knowing how people were casting their alternate votes, but the wolves could capitalize greatly from this knowledge.
Say a wolf got lynched by only one vote, and the alternate was a human. They see if they kill this one person based off people's second choice, the wolf lives and the human dies. But if we don't give the wolves the knowledge of our second vote, they may or may not try to stop that wolf from dying, since it may result in a more important wolf dying.

**iggymatrixcounter** · 10-10-2006, 09:55 PM

Ah yes send them privately to stoic, very easy decision.

But make sure you send them to me also because even though there are possible roles that can do what wolves do, I won't be able to use them unless I have the info, done on trust only because some people are trusting me, others are cautious, others don't trust me.

FoJaR · 10-11-2006, 03:11 PM

hey stoic i was wondering if you could make the voting deadlines at night, because a lot of people have school and stuff going on during the day.

StoicRoivaS · 10-11-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FoJaR

hey stoic i was wondering if you could make the voting deadlines at night, because a lot of people have school and stuff going on during the day.

I will be editing the opening posts of this game frequently. It is in everyone's best interest to check them once in a while. I changed the "Day" deadline yesterday to 9pm thursday. If this is not enough time, feel free to send me a message and I'll extended it accordingly. Again, day ends 9pm thursday. After I update the current town history, I'll try to keep the most current day/night deadlines in the post along with the history update, as well as in my update posts in the thread as the game progresses.

**iggymatrixcounter** · 10-11-2006, 06:39 PM

Looks like school's in session lol. Activity on the thread is down.

Needless to say I've got to talk with a few more people before I throw down a vote.

First off, since I don't think this hurts anyone, talisman was found to be blue. I can't say exactly what role gave me this info but it's verifiable at least twice. So either two wolves are going out on a limb for no real reason, or talisman is actually blue.

Now if anyone that hasn't come to me has the power to resurrect somehow, then go for it. Course it's possible that he could be killed right after but at least we can get some intel from him and his role before the wolves have to kill him again.

I really doubt talisman is a wolf. Even if my source(s) are lying, then that would only make them wolfy and since I'm not revealing anything they wouldn't gain trust from me anyways.

Anyways, there's something to work with I guess.

Afrobean · 10-11-2006, 06:43 PM

I'll be in class tomorrow evening and there is a small chance I won't get a chance to post (or I'll forget to...), so I'm gonna vote now.

Vash, because he had time to call me a wp;f over aim, but didn't bother to post even once.

iggy: that sounds like a good idea. If he's confirmed as blue, my idea of him wolfing himself as a wolf thinking he'd definitely be brought back is kinda null and void.

**iggymatrixcounter** · 10-11-2006, 09:25 PM

Ok since tomorrow is end of the day I think I've talked to all the people I need to.

I'll give you two names to throw around.

Wilkin and Kilga.

One or the other it doesn't matter to me. They both act human a lot normally I know but they are loose ends in what I know about everyone else.

I know that this game is crazy so obviously someone could have info that I don't know about and they haven't brought it to me for whatever reason. I'll accept that, but I just want to give you guys who know little to nothing something to go on. If through your convos you're finding one worse than the other then go for it.

Also I know the thread is dead but a lot of the game is being discussed in AIMs so if you're normally inactive you may want to branch out a little because I doubt many people will be doing a lot on the thread.

I'll put my vote down later when I get home later on.

INSTA ONE OF THEM IF IT COMES TO THAT!!!! I'm tired of phantoms losing it for humans.

Also send me your votes that you send to stoic. I very much doubt the wolves will try to time travel to save a lynched wolf because they won't know if what they are changing will matter in the end because they don't have access to the votes. But I'm not ruling out the possibility of the wolves being able to view these votes somehow either. Anything and any role ever discussed and ever existed needs to be assumed in this game.

Good luck tomorrow lol.

vashthestampede0987 · 10-11-2006, 09:33 PM

Oops. Forgot about TWG -_-.

Kilga has only posted once about chris being batman and not said anything after that. Chances are I won't be able to post tomorrow because after school I have spanish club and a football game. PS that means I'm not getting home till about 11-ish then off to do homework.

vashthestampede0987 · 10-11-2006, 09:33 PM

PS Kilga it's not that I don't <3 you it's because I'm loaded with homework -_-

10-10-2006, 06:18 PM	#21
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: TWG XXXVII Based on things I've asked Stoic, I'd say it would be near impossible for there to not be a time travel guardian (also consider that ressurrection of dead players is a corner stone of the game). __________________

10-10-2006, 07:12 PM	#22
Wilkin FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,800	Re: TWG XXXVII Lezzgo: 1) Talisman. A standard Night 1 kill in my opinion, due to his experience and reputation. It'd be quite a gamble as a self-wolfing, since the only real way to resurrect them is for a time-travel guardian to act (I'll elaborate in a bit on this). Though anything is possible this game, I wouldn't worry too much about Talisman's alignment if he does come back. 2) Time travel. Stoic said that there would be at least one time travel wolf in this game. If Talisman and any others get a backdated guard, the wolves finding the guardian (which we can pretty much all agree exists by this point) could time travel back and kill him Night 1 and undo everything he's done the entire game. Of course, this all depends on the wolves finding the guardian, the guardian actually having time travel powers (as opposed to a blue completely devoted to time travel), etc. This completely complicated scenario leads into my next subject: 3) Time travel wtf. No time travel in this game is safe. Any wolf who goes back and does an alternate kill could risk getting killed themselves, just like a guardian saving someone, and getting subsequently lynched due to mulitple votes sent in. Thus said, I think we should all come to an agreement about posting all of our numbered votes, or PMing the second and third to Stoic. I'm interested in everyone else's views on these subjects, as well.

10-10-2006, 07:17 PM	#23
sertman DADALADAH Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 3,910	Re: TWG XXXVII I was thinking about this too. It's to our advantage that the wolves don't know ALL of our votes, but in order to prevent the wolves from bandwagoning easily by just PMing the votes, your idea is what we should do. __________________

10-10-2006, 07:46 PM	#24
iggymatrixcounter FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 1,924	Re: TWG XXXVII Well if you do send votes to stoic, send them to me too if you trust me. That way I can better plan where things go and happen. __________________ lastfm PANDORA

10-10-2006, 08:11 PM	#25
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: TWG XXXVII ugh you ****ing people Wilkin says we should give INSANELY VALUABLE INFO to the wolves. IT DOESN'T AID THE HUMANS AT ALL TO KNOW WHO WOULD BE LYNCHED IN PLACE IF A LYNCH IS CHANGED. IT ONLY ALLOWS THE WOLVES TO PLAN THEIR TIME TRAVELINGS SO THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE GET LYNCHED. Although, I suppose, even with us all posting our choices, the wolves still wouldn't have the whole picture. There are the votes of dead players to account for. YOUR PLAN IS USELESS, WILKIN. __________________

10-10-2006, 08:15 PM	#26
sertman DADALADAH Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 3,910	Re: TWG XXXVII uh where in his plan does it say that the wolves get any type of valuable info __________________

10-10-2006, 08:17 PM	#27
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: TWG XXXVII It let's them know who the second choice for lynch is. That is massive. __________________

10-10-2006, 08:20 PM	#28
sertman DADALADAH Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 3,910	Re: TWG XXXVII Oh wow I completely misread his post... i read it as "...only posting our first numbered vote, and then pming the second and third to stoic" Yeah that's bad wilkin __________________

10-10-2006, 08:23 PM	#29
Wilkin FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,800	Re: TWG XXXVII I was just saying that since Stoic said we could do either in the original thread, we should agree on which method to take (or mix them for strategic purposes). I wasn't condoning either method specifically.

10-10-2006, 08:27 PM	#30
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: TWG XXXVII Well you shouldn't have even mentioned posting them openly. That's such a blatently stupid idea, there shouldn't even be discussion to it. __________________

10-10-2006, 08:32 PM	#31
Wilkin FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,800	Re: TWG XXXVII Well, just as he wolves could use it to go back and get someone lynched, a time-traveler human could do the same to take out a person they feel is a wolf. And while doing so might kill off a different human, the wolves doing it could have the same effect. I was just wondering how people felt about it beyond know the order of lynches if a tear happens.

10-10-2006, 09:33 PM	#32
CypherToorima Boss of all bosses Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phone Home! Age: 35 Posts: 2,452	Re: TWG XXXVII I feel like we should pm our second and/or third votes to Stoic. there's not very much for humans to gain from knowing how people were casting their alternate votes, but the wolves could capitalize greatly from this knowledge. Say a wolf got lynched by only one vote, and the alternate was a human. They see if they kill this one person based off people's second choice, the wolf lives and the human dies. But if we don't give the wolves the knowledge of our second vote, they may or may not try to stop that wolf from dying, since it may result in a more important wolf dying. __________________ I'm a figantic gaggot

10-10-2006, 09:55 PM	#33
iggymatrixcounter FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 1,924	Re: TWG XXXVII Ah yes send them privately to stoic, very easy decision. But make sure you send them to me also because even though there are possible roles that can do what wolves do, I won't be able to use them unless I have the info, done on trust only because some people are trusting me, others are cautious, others don't trust me. __________________ lastfm PANDORA

10-11-2006, 03:11 PM	#34
FoJaR The Worst Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: space ghost is dead to me Posts: 2,816	Re: TWG XXXVII hey stoic i was wondering if you could make the voting deadlines at night, because a lot of people have school and stuff going on during the day. __________________

10-11-2006, 06:39 PM	#36
iggymatrixcounter FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 1,924	Re: TWG XXXVII Looks like school's in session lol. Activity on the thread is down. Needless to say I've got to talk with a few more people before I throw down a vote. First off, since I don't think this hurts anyone, talisman was found to be blue. I can't say exactly what role gave me this info but it's verifiable at least twice. So either two wolves are going out on a limb for no real reason, or talisman is actually blue. Now if anyone that hasn't come to me has the power to resurrect somehow, then go for it. Course it's possible that he could be killed right after but at least we can get some intel from him and his role before the wolves have to kill him again. I really doubt talisman is a wolf. Even if my source(s) are lying, then that would only make them wolfy and since I'm not revealing anything they wouldn't gain trust from me anyways. Anyways, there's something to work with I guess. __________________ lastfm PANDORA

10-11-2006, 06:43 PM	#37
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: TWG XXXVII I'll be in class tomorrow evening and there is a small chance I won't get a chance to post (or I'll forget to...), so I'm gonna vote now. Vash, because he had time to call me a wp;f over aim, but didn't bother to post even once. iggy: that sounds like a good idea. If he's confirmed as blue, my idea of him wolfing himself as a wolf thinking he'd definitely be brought back is kinda null and void. __________________

10-11-2006, 09:25 PM	#38
iggymatrixcounter FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 1,924	Re: TWG XXXVII Ok since tomorrow is end of the day I think I've talked to all the people I need to. I'll give you two names to throw around. Wilkin and Kilga. One or the other it doesn't matter to me. They both act human a lot normally I know but they are loose ends in what I know about everyone else. I know that this game is crazy so obviously someone could have info that I don't know about and they haven't brought it to me for whatever reason. I'll accept that, but I just want to give you guys who know little to nothing something to go on. If through your convos you're finding one worse than the other then go for it. Also I know the thread is dead but a lot of the game is being discussed in AIMs so if you're normally inactive you may want to branch out a little because I doubt many people will be doing a lot on the thread. I'll put my vote down later when I get home later on. INSTA ONE OF THEM IF IT COMES TO THAT!!!! I'm tired of phantoms losing it for humans. Also send me your votes that you send to stoic. I very much doubt the wolves will try to time travel to save a lynched wolf because they won't know if what they are changing will matter in the end because they don't have access to the votes. But I'm not ruling out the possibility of the wolves being able to view these votes somehow either. Anything and any role ever discussed and ever existed needs to be assumed in this game. Good luck tomorrow lol. __________________ lastfm PANDORA

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