TWG V Postgame Analysis

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

It's not clever at all, it's incredibly low.

It's a really clever way of trying to do something really low.

And Squeek, regarding the insta-lynch thing, voting is still a tactic employed to see reactions. Just look at what Snapps did on day one. Of course, if that's not your goal and you don't want the insta-lynch, I can very much understand holding off, but voting records are a primary source of logic.

And I really hope the people who've been disheartened by the way the game's been played at times won't really shut themselves out. I have little doubt that any problems in the past are being resolved and won't be encountered in the future. Also, I HOPE the game will get mixed up with new roles and other ideas, without old ones, and the like, because it's getting a little repetitive from my view.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

By the way, I recieved wolf and guardian PMs, and lightdarkness died Night 4.

>_>

[GuidoHunter]

HAHA! Roop didn't guard him even when he asked to be guarded so that he could win...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[roopert]

hahaha sorry LD, I swear I was going to gaurdian you and I even waited like five minutes before sending the PM, but I had already promised it to Tass :X What a bummer. For the whole cheating thing, I was never a part of it or knew it existed, but now that I do I find it totally lame. Why even play the game if you are just going to cheat to get an unfair advantage? If you really want a cool looking banner in your sig that much, go make one in paint yourself.

Also, I would like to participate in the next TWG, but I doubt I'll catch the singups in time due to me being on the west coast -.-

[lightdarkness]

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

By the way, I recieved wolf and guardian PMs, and lightdarkness died Night 4.

>_>

Doesn't count.

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

I have no idea what happened, but it seems people have figured (#$% out.

Game over, humans win, yeah.

I'm too lazy to write story.

*goes back to watching RAW*

The humans win there.

Therefore, I am not killed, and I win.

EDIT: Also, for future games, I think either the PM's that were sent should be posted (as in what they exactly said), or they should just say something like (HUMAN, WOLF, SEER, GUARDIAN, PSYCHIC), and nothing else.

[Snapps]

I say give LD the win. He deserves it most (and tass but he won) because of his hard work for finding out the 2 last wolves. Hah.

[blahblah18]

I just feel that... this has gone on for multiple games, and no one else seems to care...

zildgidan showing his pm
2 peopel showing pm's this game

tass opening whorli's account to check her pm....

[Snapps]

So who showed their PM's?

[lightdarkness]

Originally Posted by blahblah18

I just feel that... this has gone on for multiple games, and no one else seems to care...

zildgidan showing his pm
2 peopel showing pm's this game

tass opening whorli's account to check her pm....

I wasn't aware any of this was happening.

And besides, it's so easy to fake a PM, you shouldn't belive what people tell you.

[blahblah18]

showing a screenshot isn't the easiest thing in the world to fake.. and its more the point that people are doing it.. gopening another account to check a PM.... come on man

[lightdarkness]

Originally Posted by blahblah18

showing a screenshot isn't the easiest thing in the world to fake.. and its more the point that people are doing it.. gopening another account to check a PM.... come on man

I won't say how to fake it, but it's insanely easy.

Anyways, How can you prevent logging into someone else's account? Those are special circumstances, what happens if a brother and sister were playing, you could just walk in when they see their PM.

It's not like I am going into the database and seeing all of your PM's, not that would be low. But logging into another persons account, when you have the password? I guess that person needs to change their password.

[Tasselfoot]

i consider it precise espionage.

given access to a specific piece of information that can be easily accessed... i still don't see anything wrong with it.

[Kefit]

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

i consider it precise espionage.

given access to a specific piece of information that can be easily accessed... i still don't see anything wrong with it.

Again, bullshit.

It's cheating, and you know it. Stop trying to excuse yourself with retarded terms like "precise espionage." It's cheating. Let me say that one more time:

YOU CHEATED. SIMPLE AS THAT.

I suggest that for all future wolf games that any one who is caught cheating in any way whatsoever be booted from the game immediately.

Oh, and I also suggest that the whole idea of instalynch be removed. They tend to cause more trouble than they are worth.

[lightdarkness]

I agree that all cheaters caught should be booted from the game.

Tass's actions were insanely close, but I don't consider it cheating.

[Tasselfoot]

please show me in the rules where it says that i can't access someone else's PMs if i have access to it. thats right, it doesn't.

so, YOU may consider it cheating, but no where in the RULES (which i AM a stickler for) does it say that i can't.

now, if the rules are changed to make it so after this occurance, then so be it.

its like making fun of retarded people. you may feel that it is wrong, but its not against the rules (law), so i am free to do it if i so choose. if there was a law making it illegal to mock retards, then i wouldn't.


same with abortion.... YOU may feel its wrong. but its legal, so i can rape and scrape my babies as often as i'd like (or, well... Whorli can at my expense).

so with that said... stop being an uptight conservative ass and accept that i took advantage of a presented circumstance. loopholes, neglections, and the like are my closest friends.

[Kefit]

Originally Posted by lightdarkness

I agree that all cheaters caught should be booted from the game.

Tass's actions were insanely close, but I don't consider it cheating.

How could you possibly consider logging into someone else's account, let alone trading information about PMs in a means tantamount to taking a screen shot, as not cheating? Just because it can't be prevented doesn't mean that it isn' cheating. And just because the rules do not explicitly state that it cannot be done does not mean that it is exceptable. Guys, this is a game. Play with the spirit of the game, or you completely destroy it. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Really, the entirey of TWG V should have been called a misgame the second that Kilga heard about the PM incident with Tass and Chardish, with those two receiving some sort of fitting punishment. I can't say that I blame Kilga for not doing such, as that probably would have generated more whining than revealing it now.

[alainbryden]

New Rule: No player is to perform an action which gives themselves or any other player an unfair advantage or unassigned knowledge of other players.

THis implies:
-No hacking pm's.
-No giving away information in your pm in any way.
-Anything can still be said because even if the person trusts the other 99%, it is still not knowlege (absolute truth and certainty.)
now there's a peice of critical thinking for you.

[Kilgamayan]

Faking PMs is incredibly easy. I could fake a video of my PM if I wanted to.

Anyway, I only included roles in PMs to make the game the slightest bit more Red-Alert-ish. I honestly did not expect anyone to use them to try and catch wolves before the game even began.

For someone who's supposedly as good as you are, Tass, why would you resort to such a thing? There's no Critical Thinking involved in asking a wolf what the human PM looks like.

[Moogy]

Yeah, but how would you fake the ini?

[alainbryden]

Originally Posted by Kefit (sorry for wolfing you)

And just because the rules do not explicitly state that it cannot be done does not mean that it is exceptable. Guys, this is a game. Play with the spirit of the game, or you completely destroy it. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Really, the entirey of TWG V should have been called a misgame the second that Kilga heard about the PM incident with Tass and Chardish, with those two receiving some sort of fitting punishment. I can't say that I blame Kilga for not doing such, as that probably would have generated more whining than revealing it now.

QFT

In the future, in addition to kicking someone out of the game for violating spoken or unspoken rules that make the game unjust or bias, they should no be allowed to register for the next game. This, hopefully, will prevent people from throwing hints when they were dead.

When we kicked chardish out of the game, I talked with him on aim to say I felt bad that he got kicked out, and was going to tell him what's been going on, but I hesitated, because I was afraid that, even though it was against the rules, that somehow, even information slipped to the dead, would make it's way to Tassel, so to cover my hesitation I pretended I was seer, and then the game got complicated as earlier described.