Old 07-28-2021, 03:41 PM   #321
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So is this basically saying that the second post is just a red herring cuz I'm kinda disappointed if it is js

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it makes sense thematically, it is just completely useless for us right now lmao
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:41 PM   #322
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I kinda think this is what's happening right now

With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game."

We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment:

Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game.

Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started."

Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time.

If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind).

"Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened.

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For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already."

This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game.
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I think we need more elaboration on this.

What do you mean by "I got nothing anyways"?
So, I've caught up to here. I didn't get a result. The big difference is your power not only resolved at the same time, it also brought them here, which is the biggest difference. My power was going between two games. So, since we can't "technically" interact, it whiffed? Idk, I didn't get anything where or not they did an action. I'm powerless now regardless.
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So, I've caught up to here. I didn't get a result. The big difference is your power not only resolved at the same time, it also brought them here, which is the biggest difference. My power was going between two games. So, since we can't "technically" interact, it whiffed? Idk, I didn't get anything where or not they did an action. I'm powerless now regardless.
ok yeah I thought about it some more and don't think it's worth thinking into

your seer result "got stuck" in Game 1, so you can't access it from Game 2

my vigi shot "got stuck" in Game 1, so it just happened as per normal
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think we choose between charu and storn here

I would personally pick Charu in terms of scum equity, but looking at "proper gameplay", I think we resolve storn first, since that gives us a wagon flip, which we desperately need right now

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knowing that we cannot ever die in this game, our job is to provide flips which give ACTIONABLE INFO for Game 1.

at this point, storn or star are the best choices. star flipping green would be a huge "so what", but storn flipping town OR wolf would be huge
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knowing that we cannot ever die in this game, our job is to provide flips which give ACTIONABLE INFO for Game 1.

at this point, storn or star are the best choices. star flipping green would be a huge "so what", but storn flipping town OR wolf would be huge
We don't know that 100% for certain. As I said, if gold stinger can still be with us in the next day phase then I would say this.
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@Other game:

You guys gotta kill Ben. You're seeing what's been happening, right? Ben has survived TWO phases despite being a top wagon, and EVEN NOW people are shifting away from him to Force, even if I personally find Force scummy.

Ben SOMEHOW keeps surviving despite people giving lip-service to him being scummy. "Yeah Ben is scummy, but I'm going to vote for XXX instead."

For some of you newer players, this is indicative of Ben being "protected" by other wolves. The Haku wagon is direct evidence of this. The fucking STORN wagon is evidence of this. Wolves will ALWAYS find an excuse to say "Ben is scummy, but WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER GUY??"

I know I said storn and Ben were both fine lynches, but I deeply regret saying that now. Especially after seeing the final wagon results. Ben was set to die... then VERY SUDDENLY storn got enough to be lynched.

Two times is a pattern, guys. You're about to witness a third time.

You NEED to resolve the counterwagons that didn't die, especially if they are counterwagons TWICE IN A ROW

If this was a normal game this wouldn't even be a question
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I'm at a point with Ben where I want to go back and see how he keeps getting away with it. Who are the people sitting on the bench? Who genuinely thinks Ben is town, versus who has given lip-service to Ben being scum, maybe even that Ben should die, but never actually ends up voting him.

It's THOSE people that are wolves protecting Ben if he's a wolf. But of course, we need a BEN FLIP before we can figure that out.
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EVEN IF BEN IS TOWN, the fact that he keeps being set-up as a major lynch target is evidence that the wolves want us to sus him for endgame, so they get a trivially easy final mislynch.

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All in honesty, this entire time, Ben appears as town for me. Heck, his colored reads look town, but I guess you could reason that was due to Ben assuming he was about to be moved over to this game.

Then you got this phase where Ben is like "Y'know what? I'm done, just get me off and then flip me in the other dame."

Reverse psychology, as star-crossed put it for gold stinger and myself? Also probably, but I've seen just... "Ben" in this game, if that makes sense? Nothing scummy about him, just him responding how I would think he would respond to people.
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Do you vote out everyone who's not playing a top notch town game ?
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no, I vote out someone who is playing a wolf game but still somehow seems to keep getting away with it.
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But I digress, because I have no idea how this game is mechanically supposed to be played since this thread exists.

Safest option, if this were an actual TWG, would be to lynch Ben this phase as backpack has stated and discuss what to do next. Working with no-flips is hard, yes, but you'll just have to tough it out and assume what the best course of action is.
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Are you guys killing Storn today? or where are you guys at in terms of who's gonna get the axe?

I have 0 intention of moving my vote from Ben today, and I think Kappa and I are on that same wavelength..

We can always kill T-Force if he doesn't die in the night the next phase tbh

ALSO DBP: Are you at liberty to inform us who you shot N1/N2? Or were you a one shot?
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no consensus yet, but my suggestion is lynch storn to get his flip.

I mentioned this in-thread, but I shot Gold Stinger, and then Charu. (The latter I realize was a misplay, even if I suspect Charu. If given another chance I would nail Ben. no questions asked)
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Heres the thing, if we get ben out, we have a way more linear path then keeping him in. If he is town so be it, he can help from mirror thread. And we can use his town flip for a more unified front instead of half the people saying yeah ben looks bad but how about x because they decided to do something scummy, and then the other half being like I want to kill ben and thats that. ben hasnt givin us much regardless of if hes town or no, he just talked about mechanics of the game and a reads list that literly makes no sense.
kappa is town. Remember that Kappa almost got lynched D0 to protect Benguin. When that didn't work out, the Kappa wagon dissolved and the Haku wagon begun.
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But I digress, because I have no idea how this game is mechanically supposed to be played since this thread exists.

Safest option, if this were an actual TWG, would be to lynch Ben this phase as backpack has stated and discuss what to do next. Working with no-flips is hard, yes, but you'll just have to tough it out and assume what the best course of action is.
This is all the more reason for us to lynch storn today.

If storn flips red(!!!) then that makes Ben look a hell of a lot better, because top 2 wagons being W/W is unlikely
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you look wolfy defending ben right now.
I think Haku's just being stupid here

I don't think it's fully hit Haku that he almost DIED because of Ben
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alright, this is the last mod announcement where I hold your hand that I'm going to make, you guys are on your own after this

Do you guys genuinely believe that I'd make a game where it would be fine for an alignment to be complacent with dying? Your win condition is still at stake, and there is still much game to be played here.
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I mean atm when you "die" here, all we see happens is you get color flipped

Gold Stinger is still here and able to post

Like of course wolves don't want to "die" here because it reveals their alignment. If we know Player X is a wolf, that helps everybody

is there some hidden death mechanic we still don't know about yet???
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