A new beginning for our SM community.

[Sky Kitten]

Totally in for this.

[i love you]

Count me in. I'll be willing to help in anyway for this.

[ddrxero64]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

gotcha. putting the right people in power is always tricky. sounds like you're a good candidate for a new forum

Nope. I told Staiain already that I don't want to run a new forum. Here are my reasons why:

1) I know I could do the job fine, but it's not my place. I realize that most of these members I do not know well enough. Pretend you're in a circle, and the more closer you are to the center the more you are well known and the more you know the "circle" of members. I just don't agree with taking a position that could ultimately be the downfall of a potential new community. Why?

2) Some people who support this community don't support me. While I agree this is childish, the fact remains. So if I were to run a forum like this, that would lead to less if not no support from those who support this idea but dislike me. Looking at the pros and cons, this community, if successful, would get more support from the majority of active members between all the notable SM communities. I know SMO members way more than I know FFR members, and I've come to notice that many SMO members don't come to FFR, and vice versa. I support this idea, but I will not run it. My involvement could ultimately be the reason it fails. It's ridiculously pathetic, but true.

3) I'm working somewhat on a site of my own. I traveled to Boston with little to no money in search of support for my idea. QED's panel wasn't brought to my attention until I sat in the food court reading the Anime Boston pamphlet. I saw it there, and then I decided to to go. I did my research, and even met an OD (ex?) regular from the days of OD 5 Mix submissions. He told me what he knew and saw, and said nowadays he's more of an observer. I can not remember his name for the sake of my life, but "haru" was somewhere in it (username). If this helps, he was cross dressing as an anime schoolgirl. Yes, no comment.

I became very lucky on my 20 minute subway ride back to my motel. 12 o clock midnight, and there was 5 minutes until I reached my destination. Small talk was spurred with a nearby subway rider/passenger/idontknowatall/goer as usual, because I tend to be very extraverted. A woman with her husband who was coming back from Bruins game. Talked about Boston and how I liked it. Went from that to why I was there (Anime Boston). Went from that to me telling a story about how I met a One Piece fan who ran his own panel for the first time and how he was nervous about speaking. Then I said something about how I tend to speak well in front of crowds though I'm usually a nervous wreck, and how I spoke to an elementary school class (5th grade).

**IMPORTANT SECTION**

She started talking about how she works for a technology company that has workshops and camps teaching kids (age group not specified, checked the site and its legit) website design, 3D Animation, graphics work, etc. I took advantage and gave her a little bit more depth to why I was REALLY at Anime Boston. Very open minded woman, and when I asked her for a business card she was happy to hand it to me. It was her company card, with the email she shares with her husband (who was there, sleeping? I don't know, exciting bruins game haha). She was hoping I'd email her with more details, it was only 2 minutes I spent talking to her.

My hopes are to create a new site that features something SMO has never gotten. And when I say it in that sense I mean it. This project of mine has a mission to reunite and revive rhythm gaming communities.

I do not and will not ever compare myself to Synthlight. I can stand by my decision and say he is the first person to ever create a success online rhythm gaming community back in 2002. After reading his post that was made when this was back up, I realized how much he did for this site, and how it bit him in the ass. He went into debt, skipped mortage payments, payed people out of his pocket (much like SMO.eu's admin does, he's payed for the server since 2007, the first two years having a grand total amount of members less than 200 iirc), and refused 5,000,000 dollars to keep control of FFR. Why? I'm sure because it would no doubt have become mainstream, or in essence, like Konami and DDR, who now listen to investors rather than the fan base itself. Even then, I've put myself in debt, have done things ridiculously out of my way in real life (going to Boston with limited money and barely any food is no joke), and have overall ruined most of my life trying to revive this community.

To put it simple, it's because I enjoy rhythm gaming. As a child who was ignored, left behind by his father, and misunderstood due to Tourette's, I owe a lot to music and gaming. Music being my appreciation, gaming being my passion. I enjoy gaming more because of the people it has introduced me too. If shooting games were friendly, I'd probably be there too. I don't need to spill my life here, and if I did it would be dark times for some people here. It can always be worse, I could have been a starving child in Africa, but with that mindset you undermine the pain someone endures because "it could be worse."

I've seen music change a lot of people, including me. And gaming only brings like minded people together. The way I act now is far different than how I acted in high school and middle school. I do owe a lot of it to music, because my interest in it introduced me to someone who liked it as well, and ultimately helped me make a friend who to this day has a huge influence on how I analyze things before me.

I have this email being sent out to this company, and I hope to get the support. And if the support is possible but not guaranteed, I'd love for everyone in the SM community to email these people as well when the time comes. But with the elitism here, my decisions will become questioned, debated, rebelled, looked through for holes in logic, etc. There's no logic behind the fact that I made myself suffer to go to Boston and attempt to get the support.

If by any chance this support doesn't come, I do plan on leaving these communities. Being in debt isn't fun, and being in a city where even the smallest businesses are really stupid in hiring people isn't paradise either. Dozens of applications sent along with resumes, as compared to the people with no education, criminal records, etc. being hired over me is beyond ridiculous. But I know I can't do anything about it, so I continue to try and land a guaranteed job. The time I spend here could be spent looking for more job opportunities (which believe me, I still do, there are only so many resources), and if my work here is done in vain, then I may as well leave.

If I ever was able to successfully create a united and productive online community, I'd always and forever listen to the community before I listen to company offers in my ear. Synthlight did the same, and I would never change that. But, like him, expectations vs reality is a hard concept. He understood it, and he knew it was time for him to go. I realize that time is coming soon for me, but I won't leave with regrets. So whatever I can do now will be done, so when I leave I can tell myself "I did what I could."

[GG_Guru]

Yeah this sounds cool.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

If you need me for something let me know. I'll see what I can do.

[dAnceguy117]

@xero: damn, man. all I can say is props for all the hard work. I know it doesn't help, but know that I really mean it. best of luck; I'll definitely send an additional email if it might help any.

Originally Posted by ddrxero64

Some people who support this community don't support me. While I agree this is childish, the fact remains. So if I were to run a forum like this, that would lead to less if not no support from those who support this idea but dislike me. Looking at the pros and cons, this community, if successful, would get more support from the majority of active members between all the notable SM communities. I know SMO members way more than I know FFR members, and I've come to notice that many SMO members don't come to FFR, and vice versa. I support this idea, but I will not run it. My involvement could ultimately be the reason it fails. It's ridiculously pathetic, but true.

I can't speak for everyone, but I believe that anyone with such strong ties to the site they came from might as well be shut out. the new community would need members who are fully willing to accept different ideas. not trying to urge you to fill any position you don't think you should though, especially since it sounds like you've got plenty to deal with already.

make sure you can provide for yourself. be safe!

[ddrxero64]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

@xero: damn, man. all I can say is props for all the hard work. I know it doesn't help, but know that I really mean it. best of luck; I'll definitely send an additional email if it might help any.



I can't speak for everyone, but I believe that anyone with such strong ties to the site they came from might as well be shut out. the new community would need members who are fully willing to accept different ideas. not trying to urge you to fill any position you don't think you should though, especially since it sounds like you've got plenty to deal with already.

make sure you can provide for yourself. be safe!

Thanks. Anytime I do need help I'm not afraid to ask. I have asked other sites for help before, and they've refused. I've also asked other sites for help and got a lot of things done. I'm not the guy who is too full of himself to realize when he needs help.

As for the last comment, I'm about to reach the tipping point where I need to get off to work 24/7 to find a way to make that happen. But yea, I'm hangin in there.

I'm not filling a position, but I support this site 100%.

[00Razor00]

Originally Posted by ddrxero64

1) I know I could do the job fine, but it's not my place. I realize that most of these members I do not know well enough. Pretend you're in a circle, and the more closer you are to the center the more you are well known and the more you know the "circle" of members. I just don't agree with taking a position that could ultimately be the downfall of a potential new community. Why?

Lol, why do you even care so much about who knows you and who doesn't? The matter of the fact is, that, you're helping contribute to the site by making sure things run smoothly, and things get done the way they're supposed to. Since when does it matter if 90,000 people know you or 2 people know you?

[ddrxero64]

Originally Posted by 00Razor00

Lol, why do you even care so much about who knows you and who doesn't? The matter of the fact is, that, you're helping contribute to the site by making sure things run smoothly, and things get done the way they're supposed to. Since when does it matter if 90,000 people know you or 2 people know you?

Because those 90,000 people then feel the need to make their own site, create their own community, and convince people who don't like me to do the same, thus creating the same vicious cycle. It's more beneficial to have someone who's well known and well respect by all to lead the pack, because decisions are less questioned and productivity would be higher.

SMO was once a single community. There are now many. Backtrack and realize why it was split up. How can this be prevented? It's not only about elitism, it was the countless alternative communities made. Once someone thinks the admin is doing something wrong and enough people agree, they will split off. You would need someone who is well respected by most to prevent this, AKA crowd control. It's like if you had a crazy fight at a bar about girls, and a playboy bunny walked in to stop it. Are guys really going to continue to fight if they see this girl trying to break it up?

Seemingly random example right? Guys are very much impulsive when it comes to hormones. Similar to the follower type idea on forums. You have Person B who is well respected trying to split off, but Person A walks in with more respect. Person B is forced to step down unless he wants to be criticized thoroughly.

[00Razor00]

Originally Posted by ddrxero64

Because those 90,000 people then feel the need to make their own site, create their own community, and convince people who don't like me to do the same, thus creating the same vicious cycle. It's more beneficial to have someone who's well known and well respect by all to lead the pack, because decisions are less questioned and productivity would be higher.

SMO was once a single community. There are now many. Backtrack and realize why it was split up. How can this be prevented? It's not only about elitism, it was the countless alternative communities made. Once someone thinks the admin is doing something wrong and enough people agree, they will split off. You would need someone who is well respected by most to prevent this, AKA crowd control. It's like if you had a crazy fight at a bar about girls, and a playboy bunny walked in to stop it. Are guys really going to continue to fight if they see this girl trying to break it up?

Seemingly random example right? Guys are very much impulsive when it comes to hormones. Similar to the follower type idea on forums. You have Person B who is well respected trying to split off, but Person A walks in with more respect. Person B is forced to step down unless he wants to be criticized thoroughly.

If they wanted to make their own site then, by all means, they can. Truth of the matter is, you should at least stay loyal to a site you're gonna put your all into, regardless of popularity or not. To be quite frank, I'd rather have a(n) unknown/less popular person managing my site who can contribute and bring the skills necessary to have things running in proper fashion, versus, having someone being known by an entire community yet has no clue what they're doing.

[MinaciousGrace]

in the name of stepman i vow that i will register

but nothing more

also who the hell is ddrxero and why are his posts so big

[Oni-Paranoia]

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

also who the hell is ddrxero and why are his posts so big

It's okay, he matters.

[Shikari]

ddrxero, please, stop with this "Nobody likes me" story. You run SMO.eu, your help is welcome and kinda essential in this new forum. You can help us with a few things about this database, and even running the site. I don't care, we don't care if you're known or not, you can be known. And don't care about what people think, or post, if you get a "troll reply", just give a "lol" as a response and carry on.

[3lijah]

If there is anything that I can do to contribute to this new forum, I would be more than happy to help. I would really love for SM to be popular again, Im the only one (that I know of) that still even plays the game remotely. The same with DDR, too. Just when I started getting decent at rhythmic games lol.

[XKiNGXkILLaX]

I'd like to join the Simfile team and start stepping songs. I have stepped a couple songs, and I want to explore more into it. I'm not real popular to get noticed, but I'd like to just make some songs and for people to like it.

[Jousway]

make ddrxero an admin or modrator on the new forum if you want, I'm only going to warn you about that some people might disagree with this, like he is already banned from the sm-ssc irc because he pissed people of there, there are even some guy making an smo server from scrap to make the old smo server disappear, only because he is an admin.

also ddrxero let me warn you, if you make one " dumb" post on stepmania.com they will ban you

[3lijah]

Originally Posted by Jousway

make ddrxero an admin or modrator on the new forum if you want, I'm only going to warn you about that some people might disagree with this, like he is already banned from the sm-ssc irc because he pissed people of there, there are even some guy making an smo server from scrap to make the old smo server disappear, only because he is an admin.

also ddrxero let me warn you, if you make one " dumb" post on stepmania.com they will ban you

This is true. They banned an old account I had back in the day. I was joking around, and they banned me. That wasn't cool at all, so I stayed away from the forum altogether.

[_Stepdude_]

I'm in for this.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

It's okay, he matters.

so because he makes a huge post you get to say this

Honestly, everyone has their say on how the community has been. A lot of us know that things need to change, and to be perfectly honest, all of the people who have been actively supporting the current SM community know full well that we dug ourselves into this deep hole that no one can reach us in. It technically is our responsibility to bring the game back to how it used to be - more of a loose and fun game, rather than a extremely close-knit and over-serious game.

[ddr_f4n]

Please PLEASE make a pad part of the forum and I'm ALL in it. Pad players in the SM community needs major love too