World of Warcraft

[Sir Psycho]

Solid, how do you tank? Do you SS, Revenge, Devastatex5, SS, Revenge, Conc. Blow, Shockwave then spam Heroic Strike until some move is off cooldown or to refresh sunders?

Or do you Spamastate?

[Grandiagod]

My warrior rotation SS, Revenge, Tclap Shockwave or conc blow.

Then smash devastate, ss, revenge and hs all at the same time as fast as possible

[Squeek]

Last night, we did Plague, Construct, then Spider wings with minimal wipes with a bunch of other guilds who could only bring a few people each (just like us). Tonight, we finished Military and then Sapph/KT.

The entire night, I watched as all the loot went to other people. Literally, since a few bosses in I suddenly got landed with the Master Looter position as the raid decided it was foolish to have a tank be the master looter when he could run off and pull trash to the next boss. So I had to learn that and hope I didn't mess up (which I didn't). Finally we get to Sapph, which is the first boss that has any kind of upgrade for me (or so I thought). The upgrade dropped, but I realized it was not really much of an upgrade, even as the only neck with SP that doesn't have spirit or mp5. Then we spent some time working out who got the Key. Turns out I did, somehow? Neat =x

Then we get to KT with a few people who have never done it before and we one-shot him. Woot. My guild leader looted him while I was rezzing people and he was like "sqek your shield dropped" and I'm like "i know you're lying stop lying" (he has no reason to lie and I know he's not lying and he wasn't) and I rolled on it and I won it uncontested. Woot.

So in the end, I was:

Explaining the fight
Handling the loot
Calling out things to watch out for over vent
Organizing the DPS

For every fight.

THEN the people who weren't tired decided to pug flame leviathan 25. One-shotted.

[Sir Psycho]

I actually found that the first rotation I pushed a lot more threat than Spamastating. About 1k more threat.

I also pushed a lot more DPS. About 2.9k on Patches 25mans and about 2.4k on 10man Sarth.

[Squeek]

oh my god there's this post on a pretty prominent wow news blog that says it's not fair that shaman are the only class with bloodlust and that they should give it to a class that brings nothing to a raid, aka rogues

Apparently rogues fail so much they don't even realize what it is they bring to a raid. They bring the highest DPS of any class. Learn how to play your class, idiots.

I don't get why people think rogues need a raid ability. You have DPS. We don't. We're the BOTTOM of the DPS charts. We're there to do some DPS and to bring unique (well, mostly) buffs. We're there to make you better. Stop whining.

These people are like BRING THE PLAYER NOT THE CLASS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING A SHAMAN. Yes you should. Where else are you going to get our totems from?

[devonin]

So in the end, I was:

Explaining the fight
Handling the loot
Calling out things to watch out for over vent
Organizing the DPS

Congratz? You've done your very first raid lead? Nice to see people who don't always automatically assume that the main tank's job also includes doing all of those things.

[Sir Psycho]

Most of your totems can be replaced now, Squeek. I think at least.

Windfury = Improved Icy Talons
Strength of the Earth = Horn of Winter
Stoneskin = Devotion Aura
Flametongue = Demonology Warlock
Wrath of Air = Boomkin
Mana Spring = Blessing of Wisdom
Resistances = Pally auras

Ones that no one else has abilities that are similar;
Healing Stream
Grounding
Totem of Wrath

Now, the only thing shamans bring is Heroism/Bloodlust.

And there's a difference between DPS and damage. I personally know a lot of people who don't necessarily push out gobs of DPS, but their damage is really high and vice-versa. I'd rather have someone with 2.5k DPS that's topping damage then someone pushing 6k DPS and they're 5th on damage(and still alive)

[Grandiagod]

They're making blessing of wisdom stack with MST again.

[Ground_Breaker]

Thank God...so sick of hearing our wisdom pally bitching about it all the time.

[Solid Dreams]

I generally do what you do, except I work in heroic strikes more because I use the glyph of revenge. Devastate is almost worthless except for refreshing the sunders.

[Squeek]

Psycho, you missed:

Cleansing Totem (automatic de-poison and de-disease)
Tremor Totem (automatic de-fear, de-sleep, de-charm)
Magma Totem (technically just our only AOE but whatever)
Searing Totem (technically just a single-target attack thing but hilariously useful for leaving on Heigan's platform during the dance)
Earthbind Totem (Similar to Frost Trap, except Elemental Shaman now get an AOE Entangling Roots when it first goes down)
Fire Elemental Totem (2 minutes of roughly 4k dps)
Earth Elemental Totem (2 minutes of a decent tank)
Stoneclaw Totem (aoe taunting and totem guard -- can be glyphed to be a shield)

And you can never assume that all of those people who cancel our Totems are in the raid.

[Sir Psycho]

Originally Posted by Squeek

Psycho, you missed:

Cleansing Totem (automatic de-poison and de-disease)
Tremor Totem (automatic de-fear, de-sleep, de-charm)
Magma Totem (technically just our only AOE but whatever)
Searing Totem (technically just a single-target attack thing but hilariously useful for leaving on Heigan's platform during the dance)
Earthbind Totem (Similar to Frost Trap, except Elemental Shaman now get an AOE Entangling Roots when it first goes down)
Fire Elemental Totem (2 minutes of roughly 4k dps)
Earth Elemental Totem (2 minutes of a decent tank)
Stoneclaw Totem (aoe taunting and totem guard -- can be glyphed to be a shield)

And you can never assume that all of those people who cancel our Totems are in the raid.

Yeah, but those don't buff the raid. Cleansing and Tremor totems I will admit that I forgot about the automatic dispelling, but you can get away with just having someone cleanse them too. Tremor is the only unique one in my book.

[Squeek]

Except that Cleansing Totem is much better than any other anti-disease/poison. Cleanse Poison/Disease is good, but it costs a lot more and does the same thing only over 1/25th of the time of my totem.

I haven't really been deep into Ulduar yet, but for Naxx, Cleansing Totem is a godsend in Heigan and Maexxna, and has plenty of raid utility in Faerlina and trash pulls in Spider. And since Blizzard decided to make Mana Spring Totem completely worthless (thanks guys), I don't even care about dropping it anymore since it's not replacing anything worthwhile.

[devonin]

Cleanse Poison/Disease is good

Cleanse removes one poison, one disease AND one magic (As in, if you have all three on you, all three go in one cast) at 40 yard range, instant cast, for (for me) 263 mana.

[Grandiagod]

Yeah and cleansing totem removes 25 diseases from 25 people.

It wins.

[devonin]

Well, it removes one each from 25 people, assuming they are all in range of it, and potentially takes the place of a more useful totem that could be down.

[Squeek]

Actually it's only 5 people. It's a party-only ability.

Some of our totems are not raid-wide and Blizz refuses to make the distinction clear.

[devonin]

Ugh, Jumped into a 10-man group that was mostly from one guild, Undying run all the way through to Sapphiron when we lose two people to a bonehead move where every single person all piled in behind he first ice block, before there was a second iceblock, so it landed right onto the whole party.

Amateurs.

[guitarist-jk]

What do u guys think about duel specs and ulduar.. just the new content in general.

personally i hate that duel specs cost 1000g cause i can never save my gold but apart from that i think it brings a whole new aspect to wow that is way over due.

i havent been ulduar but i heard its an alright raid. from some guy in tsunami .

anyone from tsunami play FFR?

[Sir Psycho]

I love being able to throw on my PvP gear, toss on my offspec as Arms and trash BGs or Arenas and then for raid time throwing on my tank gear and going Prot. I hated spending 100g+ a week so I could do more than just tank.

Ulduar is tons of fun. It'd be better if our healers would wake up. A lot of the wipes(read: all of them) are from the healers just not paying attention to what's going on and forgetting to heal the tanks(read: me).