TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

[FreezinIce]

@fatfuck

At the time i made that declaration i really wasnt thinking about team dynamic much. I believed that shadow was so far distanced from everyone else (most people have taken shots at him at least once or vice versa) that he could be on pretty much any team.

I dont really believe in that team anymore ill probably elaborate once i think about some more things.

[the sun fan]

votecount:
duk3 (1)- fatfuck
storn (1)- DBP
freezin (1)- funny
funny (2)- Lar, freezin
psycho (1)- storn
dabackpack (1)- roundbox

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Kind of early to be getting desperate don't u think?

I havnt even started tightening the screws yet

it's not desperation it's aggression. granted i still have 20pgs to read left you're not a good slot and my most confident scum read rn

[Funnygurl555]

well ima iso freezin now

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

To believe Haku is town one has to believe the following story is true:



Haku, after telling me that he rather I lynch him instead of Freezin (making Freezin's hard defense that much more spicy) decides on a plan: to fake claim and have wolves kill him. This was his stated plan and end goal on his hardclaim post he made this phase.

To do this, he waits until he gets pressured by Xiz and then says "don't make me claim". Haku's end goal is to draw the night kill, so to do this he doesn't say any more about it . Supposedly, he was gonna claim to be Masons with Xiz, the man who was pushing him. All in the name of drawing the NK, of course.

So then he skirts by and (by his own admission this phrase) doesn't litter his future posts with clues for the wolves to see. This helps him go undetected, so he can,draw out the NK.

When his plan fails, instead of coming clean that was the gambit and trying to explain why he was hesitant and secretive about his fake PR (that he claimed so he could be found out and NK'd) he blantedly gives town the roundabout and tries to say he never claimed at all. He then basically taunts anyone questioning it that he's drawing a new lure, or bait, or whatever and he wants reactions. The reactions he wants though are for people to see him as town. This will help him get NK in the previous night phase probably.

After it becomes clear town is too confused by this masterful scheme, he comes clean that he was drawing a night kill, because he's town and being killed on purpose as town is pro town. He also doesn't want to sub out apparently, until the moment he actually does.

Freezin comes in and says this makes perfect sense for a green to do.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I have player countless game with him. He actually dunked on me hard last game we played where he counterclaimed me and filibust for his wolf partners to slid utr while he took the fallout

He is also the player that actually manipulated Post Count Theory against me.

He does weird shit but I STRAIGHT FUCKING REFUSE to believe he started with "let's be a decoy" and went about it in this manner

I refuse to believe on the possibility

Still 100% believe in this and no one has convinced me that Haku could have been thinking anything mildly coherent.

The excuse "Haku does Dumb" is not a good reason to townread his slot

Fuck give me one thing he's done that's townie/in character with his town play that isn't derping.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

well ima iso freezin now

yeah sounds about good i think i can park on freezin

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

I've already brought up that xiz already had suspicions on him before dbp 'started' anything

here's dabackpack's progression

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this is so forced

Xiz

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

IMO Xiz and storn are never wolf partners. Current mindset is that Xiz is doing a maneuver I usually do as wolf: find a town player with moderate heat, hard defend them, and when they flip town you profit.

Xiz's response to my vote is a way of publicly reaffirming "hey guys, I told you storn was town!!"

The thing to look for is if Xiz's defense actually looks sincere. If he's a wolf he'll be standing back and weakly interjecting but will never do anything strong enough to prevent a storn lynch from happening.

^I don't have enough time to do this but I'd really like some feedback on this last point

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

It's been a while but I feel like Xiz is the kind of wolf player that shoots from the hip and give out vague town reads pretty liberally --- it's the kind of thing that looks like Galaxy Brain play but to solve him you need to pierce through that facade

the last two quotes here are that "one size fits all" generalization that he's dumping onto xiz
he engaged with you, gradiant, when he came in to ask for your opinion on xiz
Lar and you and others were wavering around really placing a vote on him, and dabackpack was the catalyst that sparked the train

as a wolf, I don't think backpack sleeps at the wheel here when he returns during EOD
he had to do something that stuck to give an impression that he's taking action when he's here as to avoid being one that follows the crowd
if you call this a sweeping generalization about meta (since I talked about it earlier wrt his read on xiz), I would disagree as this is more of a "what would be a good course of action as a wolf after being gone most of the phase"

[mellon_collie]

I think I want to vote duk3 but the fact they arent here really scares me

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

fucking thank you this shit SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME

so? what do you think?

[fatfuck42]

Originally Posted by roundbox

also, is there a reason we're sleeping on dabackpack?
he just came in at EOD and started a lynch movement on xiz

I think his reasoning was very flimsy and one of those "one size fits all" arguments where he could make up a generalization about Xiz and apply it to the current situation

I brought this up in my EOD post but everyone ignored it

thanks

I'd rather we leave the Dap Dilemma until next phase. Doesn't seem fruitful to pursue now when there's all this other stuff going on, plus I can't imagine we'd get much from questioning or pressuring him when he's presumably not caught up with the thread and there's only an hour and some change left in the phase.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by roundbox

if haku/fg flips wolf, who will you be looking at?

if haku/fg flips town, who will you be looking at?

if you say this is going to be very telling, what do you think it's gonna tell us?

Storn first and foremost. Stated this recently.

If the flip is town I'm throwing every read I have in the fucking dumpster and 're reading the phrase as fresh as I can.

I think I probably pay the most attention to those defending a (theoretical) town Haku the most if the flip really is town, tho.

Don't act like I've said the phrase "telling" more then once or that I used it to not explain myself please

[fatfuck42]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

@fatfuck

At the time i made that declaration i really wasnt thinking about team dynamic much. I believed that shadow was so far distanced from everyone else (most people have taken shots at him at least once or vice versa) that he could be on pretty much any team.

I dont really believe in that team anymore ill probably elaborate once i think about some more things.

Alright, thanks for answering. I'll wait to hear the elaboration then.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Still 100% believe in this and no one has convinced me that Haku could have been thinking anything mildly coherent.

The excuse "Haku does Dumb" is not a good reason to townread his slot

Fuck give me one thing he's done that's townie/in character with his town play that isn't derping.

ok fine i'ma try to get in the mind of haku

he coulda thought it was pro-town play bc self-pres is most important in the absence of knowing prs. then a claim like that could lead to his death and divert a nk, but i guess it didn't in this case because the wolves could've been playing it safe and wanted to avoid a potential doc block

it's not the best but it makes sense and is in line with haku's plays

you don't have to think he's dumb for doing it. i don't even think it's dumb it's just not something you'd do on ffrtwg

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by roundbox

so? what do you think?

I think I am scared idk I really feel like I can read DBP when he is being even remotely town and I don't really feel it this game

I don't feel strong wolf vibes from him either, but idk, I do not like it at the same time

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

votecount:
duk3 (1)- fatfuck
storn (1)- DBP
freezin (1)- funny
funny (2)- Lar, freezin
psycho (1)- storn
dabackpack (1)- roundbox

Plop, Roundbox: those be some wasted votes you got there.

Storn too but I'd be surprised if he even reads this tbh

Reread my post where I quoted my earlier argument against Haku please: that needs to be our lynch

[Funnygurl555]

mechanical ===///=== best all the time.

if only ffa were here i was just talking to him about something like this where i played against mechanics once and was right

[fatfuck42]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Still 100% believe in this and no one has convinced me that Haku could have been thinking anything mildly coherent.

The excuse "Haku does Dumb" is not a good reason to townread his slot

Fuck give me one thing he's done that's townie/in character with his town play that isn't derping.

I think softclaiming when you're a VT and you believe you're going to be mislynched while you're at work is a short-sighted townie play.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by fatfuck42

I'd rather we leave the Dap Dilemma until next phase. Doesn't seem fruitful to pursue now when there's all this other stuff going on, plus I can't imagine we'd get much from questioning or pressuring him when he's presumably not caught up with the thread and there's only an hour and some change left in the phase.

I want to add on that if he doesn't impress this EoD I'll be right there in grilling him tomorrow for it

But not tonight, he can have tonight

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Plop, Roundbox: those be some wasted votes you got there.

Storn too but I'd be surprised if he even reads this tbh

Reread my post where I quoted my earlier argument against Haku please: that needs to be our lynch

stop it

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I think I want to vote duk3 but the fact they arent here really scares me

There is no benefit to being scared of someone not here?
There's also no benefit to voting that slot rn either

Trust me on Haku please