Old 07-29-2021, 11:04 AM   #421
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If I'm clearly missing something here that demands for storn's flip, then please, let me know.

Is it to confirm this fuckery that's going on over in this game? Is it for the sake of wagonomics? Or is it, as some players as of recent are saying, to speed up the game so wolves can get a win in a game where no one knows the fuck is going on?
It is actually wagonomics & parsing wagons because flipping most other players in this game reveals nothing about association if they're all town. With how close these wagons have been for d0 & d1 in the main game:

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please let me know PRIVATELY on discord if the following votecount is incorrect

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storn (10)- bugkid, plop, Haku, ben, mcdaddio, charu, freezin, Force, shadow_god, choof
cedo- (1)- Celery
ben (8)- DBP, roundbox, Xiz, kappa, fg, raeko, xel, storn
There is actually something fishy happening here with how votes are stacked.

I think I am actually correct in the initial idea that Haku & Ben are both wolfing it, from the beginning of this game. And ye, I still haven't removed the idea that Charu could be part of that as well & DBP's Charu shot was actually correct.
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Wrong, they're 'soft cleared'. We don't know if wolves retain their kill power in this game that apparently strips PR's of their abilities and simple deduction leads to wolves being stripped of their ability to perform nightkills as well. If we only retain alignment and not abilities/roles, then wolves will never nightkill in this game.

There's at least one wolf in this game by now just by the amount of players currently in this 2nd game and if there's no nightkill with twice the amount of people compared to last night, then we should go forward with the idea that all powers are stripped here.
Yes we can still vote

A basic game function.

A vanilla wolf is NOT a PR. That's a basic game function.

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It's clear no amount of convincing can be given with what we have, and I painfully understand the circumstances and reasonings of why you're saying storn should be flipped.

I just hate that it's based off of this idea that PRs can't do anything.

And I can't fault backpack for his line of reasoning because... nothing like this has ever happened in TWG. Hell, nothing like this has ever happened ANYWHERE that I know of that has Mafia games.

So it's useless at this point. I'm just going to sit here, read the thread, and hope for the best.
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Yes we can still vote

A basic game function.

A vanilla wolf is NOT a PR. That's a basic game function.

But I digress.
Can argue the validity of the statement and whether or not that would exist in this bastard game because the mechanics are wack but I believe this still holds water:

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There's got to be at least one wolf in this game by now just by the amount of players currently in this 2nd game and if there's no nightkill with twice the amount of people compared to last night, then we should go forward with the idea that all powers are stripped here.
This is coming from the only confirmed town that can still talk in this game.
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Old 07-29-2021, 11:12 AM   #425
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You're not falling on deaf ears charu, I'm in the same boat as you. Im just more so ok with it because storn is being annoying and most of the game wants to know. I think round is a good flip otherwise. I trust dbp and you, for the most part. Might be biased but whatever.
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Like, don't get me wrong, I am seriously hoping that wolves will actually kill in this game because I'm getting zero evidence otherwise showing as such. Also, this game is going to be incredibly slow/lop-sided if it was intended for this 2nd game to play out as its own game vs. the first game with those mechanics.
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I'm hella frustrated because I have absolutely zero understanding of what's happening anymore. I'm all the way back at square 1 in terms of reads and what not, because that whole "mafia and town" post was the crux of like 90% of my game.

I took a day (or two, I can't even remember at this point) off because very many things have popped up IRL that had me SUPER stressed and coming back to stuff being like this is super demotivating but I'll see what I can do about getting at least a little bit of understanding back.
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Gonna be reading the main thread for a while cuz I'm like prolly 30+ pages behind on that.
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the game's still over? it hasn't un-ended and as we could see 3 towns have died already so unless we're doing a good job at nabbing the wolves already (unlikely) we just got a bunch of towns

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As much as I'd like to think this, Sunfan's mentioned that the second post doesn't actually mean anything.
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So real quick: I'm not quite sure if ootc is on yet but regardless of whether it is or not star's informed me that they're recouping from a car accident and they probably will not be able to vote tonight
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Excuse me, WHAT!?

Jesus F, whoa.

star-crossed, you have my support and hope you're doing well.
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Holy hell, I hope everything is ok, and you just need time to recoup from the traumatization. <3
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yeah take all the time you need star, don't worry about the game, we will hold down the fort until you're feeling better
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everyone is super demoralized in both games it looks like. I think it's time to take action and leave the rest to God.

storn

We only have control over what we have control over. For me at least, this is emotionally reassuring. We are doing the best we can. This is why I have belief in mechanically-proper plays. If we make a risky power play and it's incorrect, we bear full responsibility for that. If we stick to the books and it's incorrect, we "did the right thing" and it ended up not working out.

I think Game 2's choice is pretty cut-and-dry. Overthinking things too hard is not going to return peace of mind. Game 1 is counting on us to deliver information to them, and a storn flip is the mechanically proper choice here.
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I'm hesitant to call voting for storn's flip...

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...when the issue we are at is because of an unsureness of a basic game function.
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It's clear no amount of convincing can be given with what we have, and I painfully understand the circumstances and reasonings of why you're saying storn should be flipped.

I just hate that it's based off of this idea that PRs can't do anything.

And I can't fault backpack for his line of reasoning because... nothing like this has ever happened in TWG. Hell, nothing like this has ever happened ANYWHERE that I know of that has Mafia games.

So it's useless at this point. I'm just going to sit here, read the thread, and hope for the best.
I understand your feelings, and at this point I am loathe to make any further assumptions about Game 2's mechanics.

I elaborated a theory about the game going in reverse, which if true, means that nightkills cannot mechanically happen. I don't even care if that's true or not right now tbh. The only facts we have about this game is that we can get color-flips from players by lynching them.

I have zero indication that "parity" is even a thing in this game. We have zero evidence of nightkills either.

Our best plan is to leverage what we DO know--- that we can generate color-flips--- to provide info to Game 1: a game that we are reasonably certain is tied to our win conditions.

Like I said earlier, I'm not even sure that Game 2 is even a "game" to begin with. This phase, I have been directing my energy towards Game 1 as purely a support role because their game is, well, almost certainly actually a "game."

And flipping storn is bar-none the best information we can supply to Game 1.
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...when the issue we are at is because of an unsureness of a basic game function.
I mean "mechanical" in the context of the richness of information storn's flip provides to Game 1.
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Maybe to make this easier.

You are asserting that storn cannot be a wolf because no night-kills happened last night.

This is an assumption. If we wanted to test your theory, we would have to wait until someone dies here in the night--- which won't ever happen if your assumption is wrong.

Game 1 needs this, Charu. They need this NOW.

WE need this. I need this. storn's flip is required for us to determine what to do with ben once he gets here.
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