Ravi Zacharias

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I already know you won't respond to them in an honest way.

Originally Posted by star reaper

Well, first thing I noticed is that when he repeated back what Ravi Zacharias said, he actually didn't understand. What Ravi is saying that for there to be a frame work of absolute morality, there must be a being that can give it. If there isn't than what the person in the video has said is true. But I never did hear as to why these things exist. All I saw was him saying how things work under certain circumstances. Never really as the how these idea's exist.

checkmate

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by star reaper

Well, first thing I noticed is that when he repeated back what Ravi Zacharias said, he actually didn't understand

Can you prove this?

This is a serious question by the way. What makes his understanding wrong, and what is the "right" way to understand what Ravi said?

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by star reaper

What Ravi is saying that for there to be a frame work of absolute morality, there must be a being that can give it.

Why would you assume this? There is a massive disconnect in logic.

Either way it would be impossible for "absolute morality" to exist assuming that meant everyone followed the exact same moral code. Which isn't true. Everyone has their own opinions of life and their morals are dependent on their personal experiences. Overall in a society you can build some kind of moral standards that are generally adhered to because it is in everyone best interest.

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Choofers

Can you prove this?

The example he uses to refer back to what Ravi has said is about the sun and it's rising. Well, morality and what causes it's function to be there is what he is talking about. The basis of these two things are different. One happens such as the sun going over head, while the other one is there, but why does anyone live by these things? Nothing then is wrong if these values are not upheld.

[Reincarnate]

In other words you didn't actually watch my videos that explain why your argument holds no water

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

In other words you didn't actually watch my videos that explain why your argument holds no water

I did.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by star reaper

The example he uses to refer back to what Ravi has said is about the sun and it's rising. Well, morality and what causes it's function to be there is what he is talking about. The basis of these two things are different. One happens such as the sun going over head, while the other one is there, but why does anyone live by these things? Nothing then is wrong if these values are not upheld.

I like how you totally didn't understand the metaphor used to point out the flaw in logic. That or you are just ignoring it because you don't want to believe this guy is wrong.

Denial is a powerful thing.

Let me break it down for you. The weird guy is saying

If A then B, if B then C, if C then D must be true.
If D is true, then C is true, if C is true then B is true, if B is true then A is true.

The problem is that there was a jump from C to D that was a fallacy.

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Izzy

I like how you totally didn't understand the metaphor used to point out the flaw in logic. That or you are just ignoring it because you don't want to believe this guy is wrong.

Denial is a powerful thing.

How then can denial be a powerful thing? What logical sense then upholds yours over mine? Why do you assume yours is right and mine is wrong? Without something holding these things up, then no matter how well you try to put something together, another's idea can overcome yours.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by star reaper

I did.

Then you have a comprehension issue, since your questions have already been addressed and yet you carry on anyway

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by star reaper

The example he uses to refer back to what Ravi has said is about the sun and it's rising. Well, morality and what causes it's function to be there is what he is talking about. The basis of these two things are different. One happens such as the sun going over head, while the other one is there, but why does anyone live by these things? Nothing then is wrong if these values are not upheld.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by star reaper

How then can denial be a powerful thing? What logical sense then upholds yours over mine? Why do you assume yours is right and mine is wrong? Without something holding these things up, then no matter how well you try to put something together, another's idea can overcome yours.

That's now how denial works. You are ignoring things and we are taking them into consideration. That alone already makes you look like a fool.

If it was a matter of opinion then sure, but you are dealing with things that be tested and potentially proven.

[Frank Munoz]

What a nice looking black man.

[Tps222]

The tides come in and go out. Explain that.

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Tps222

The tides come in and go out. Explain that.

The existence of the tides, and the law the governor's their motions. Explain how the tides exist in the first place?

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Izzy

That's now how denial works. You are ignoring things and we are taking them into consideration. That alone already makes you look like a fool.

If it was a matter of opinion then sure, but you are dealing with things that be tested and potentially proven.

Actually I am using your logic. The idea that things have no basis of being there, and simply is because we want them to be so. You in the end are stealing from the Christian world view by believe your idea has a stance to be right and not wrong.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by star reaper

Actually I am using your logic. The idea that things have no basis of being there, and simply is because we want them to be so. You in the end are stealing from the Christian world view by believe your idea has a stance to be right and not wrong.

Oh, I was unaware that christianity invented right and wrong. Thank you.

[Choofers]

holy shit lmao

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Oh, I was unaware that christianity invented right and wrong. Thank you.

Actually, Christianity explains why there is a definite reason for right and wrong. If man decides what is right and wrong, then another can overturn it.

[star reaper]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Oh, I was unaware that christianity invented right and wrong. Thank you.

Also what makes your definition of right and wrong superior to others? Evolution has no claim of truth because truth is relative to each man if there isn't a higher power that puts it there.

[Izzy]

You win, you are unfathomably intelligent and I can't find any way to give a rebuttal.