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Old 08-4-2019, 01:09 PM   #81
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:11 PM   #82
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I'm not sure I really get why people are concerned about the content for a D8 this tournament. If they're in D7 they're getting these files anyway. Splitting D8 off just gives a chance for other people to take a top place in D7 that otherwise would have 0 shot at it because the skill curve is pretty large.
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:15 PM   #83
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I'm not sure I really get why people are concerned about the content for a D8 this tournament. If they're in D7 they're getting these files anyway. Splitting D8 off just gives a chance for other people to take a top place in D7 that otherwise would have 0 shot at it because the skill curve is pretty large.
Thing is, if there IS available content for D8, that's the better option than giving them the same files as D7. The more top difficulty files are released, the better this game will be that's for damn sure.

If there's no content for them yet (like files not judged yet or w/e), then yes the argument is 100% about giving a chance to low-mid D7, which personally idc (for the record I might join, not sure tho).
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:19 PM   #84
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Thing is, if there IS available content for D8, that's the better option than giving them the same files as D7. The more top difficulty files are released, the better this game will be that's for damn sure.

If there's no content for them yet (like files not judged yet or w/e), then yes the argument is 100% about giving a chance to low-mid D7, which personally idc (for the record I might join, not sure tho).
The only high level files that are currently available are in the slots for D7 and that barely made it as is.
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:25 PM   #85
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The only high level files that are currently available are in the slots for D7 and that barely made it as is.
I figured. That'll change in the near-ish future but for now I suppose the choice is up to you to split D7 or not; in any case the line will be semi-arbitrary.
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:47 PM   #86
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Old 08-4-2019, 02:13 PM   #87
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i'll start this by saying this is purely anecdotal but i have spent about 2 out of my 2.5 or so years of actively playing in mid-high d7 range, so in my opinion if i was still at low d7 i wouldnt want to compete against the highest ranked players like etienne or nate because they are just lightyears ahead of where low d7 is. they are still both at least like 2 years of playing ahead of where i am now (i can only definitively point to like 1 or maybe 2 scores i have on sm as d8) but i still feel like i have a chance to come out on top in this tournament.

then again, i dont believe it would be impossible to reach top 8 in the tournament as low d7, but top 5 is probably impossible. i agree with others in the thread who say that there arent enough files at a high level to officially have an 8th division, but for the tournament i like it. i think the decision lies in the lower d7 players if they want to compete against the people currently set in d8 or not.

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Old 08-4-2019, 02:13 PM   #88
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ok so my question is that if D8 becomes a thing, how does it affect D1-7? do the level requirements for those change as well? or is D7 just going to be like a 5 level range?

i'm not sure if this has been answered already. mb if it has.
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I'm very surprised this is even a debate.


The difference between some of the best players in the world and the lowest D7 player is so monumental that it would be silly to include them in the same bracket. Yes, there's going to be some difference between the best and worst player in divisions, but not in the way that older tournaments brought with D7.
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ok so my question is that if D8 becomes a thing, how does it affect D1-7? do the level requirements for those change as well? or is D7 just going to be like a 5 level range?

i'm not sure if this has been answered already. mb if it has.
Doesn't matter much because divisions are pretty arbitrary, but even if D8 was like 103 to 106 that 4 levels range is like harder to go through than 1 to 103 so lol
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Old 08-4-2019, 03:18 PM   #91
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My original post wasn't really about the fact D8 should or not be a thing but anyway.

Following the original motivation for divisions existing, even D7 in the past tournaments was inadequate.
But the idea that anyone joining a sport/e-sport tournament has or should have a real shot at 1st place is already very

If the files are hard enough, competition still exists to get past the cutoff of whatever rounds people in your skill bracket risk being eliminated.
This is also why I mentioned extending prizes in the D7 range. Despite not being able to realistically compete with the top of the top, you would still have motivation to put effort in the tournament.
And I won't even get into the fact that having identical prizes for lower divisions is already a charity of sorts.

And this is coming from someone who should be placed at the very low end of D7.
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Old 08-4-2019, 04:06 PM   #92
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It honestly feels weird to make what I would consider a serious change to the structure so close to a tournament after sign ups have started, but if D7 likes the split and it's as easy as a few clicks to do then do it and worry about working everything else out afterwards

Honestly, just having a D8 where the obvious players are in and then making the cutoff obtaining like 8/10 of the AAAs they have in level 106+s or whatever would probably do in the sense that we're recognizing these players as better then the rest of D7, and anyone getting into D8 needs to just have the scores we see from them now. Cut and dry, easily defined, doneski.

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I'm almost tempted to suggest we should redefined every division and make D1- D10, but that's something to do well after the tournament. I get that with prizes and rewards already in place that's unappealing but when IIDX outgrew it's rating system it got a better system so that should be considered.

But again, after this tournament.
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I'm almost tempted to suggest we should redefined every division and make D1- D10, but that's something to do well after the tournament.
Why 1-10, that just seems like you want "nice numbers" no ??? I mean I like my volume to be at multiples of 5 but really what other arguments would you have for 1-10 ? I'm confused
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1-10 would kind of set the playerbase thin given current activity imho.
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Old 08-4-2019, 05:03 PM   #95
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There is no good baseline for D8 on this game yet imo because there's a lack of files to even judge what the cutoff should be. Hard to judge a division cutoff with this small of a sample size of files. Though if I had to decide on a cutoff right now, it would at the very least be level 101, which still feels a little low honestly (edit: but those level 101 players are almost guaranteed to win D7 if they were the highest level there, there's already a huge gap between 99/100/101).
agreed. this was a last-moment decision which seems quite careless. if there will be a d8 it should be next year. And im a mid-low D7 player myself so D8 should benefit me, but i think if there is a D8 it should be different from this.
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do we even have enough songs to have a d8 in the OT? lol
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agreed. this was a last-moment decision which seems quite careless. if there will be a d8 it should be next year. And im a mid-low D7 player myself so D8 should benefit me, but i think if there is a D8 it should be different from this.
Maybe I'm absofuckinglutely losing my marbles but I'm almost positive what I'm doing right now is exactly how I did D7 in the 8th official.......
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I was of course kidding

I have to say I thought about the whole D7 thing again but there would be what like a whole 5 or 6 people in it? lol
oh look, I said the same back then as I did now.
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My other current dilemma is that the specialized color for the site and token was meant to be something special for reaching the top division. If we're changing the top, it invalidates those.
I'm not saying this to be a fucking dick, but it's sure gonna come off that way: this is likely the last official tourney. It'd be nice to not lock content of the game behind something that will inevitably become unobtainable and reworked in the line anyways.

As for the color, honestly I've never really put any thought into it but it just feels like an irrelevant quirk of being good and noteworthy on the site which TBH at that skill, everyone likely knows who you are anyways.

Both of these in my book are nonproblems, or ones that have better solutions.

But restructuring to stay within 7 divisions sounds better anyways.
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