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Old 08-3-2019, 04:05 PM   #1
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Edit: Posts from the tournament thread have been moved here to have the discussion about D8 and free up the tournament thread for more important information regarding it. D8 can easily be swapped in or out so it really doesn't need to clutter that thread. Please keep all discussion about it here.


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Old 08-4-2019, 01:02 PM   #2
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Here's the thing. I don't want to see the same three people in the top 3 for D7.
It makes the rest of the division have to competition or drive to get a decent placement.
The ceiling for the top level is so high we might as well separate in low, mid, and high D7.

And I don't want to hear arguments on "we don't have enough files for D8" either, since we're guaranteed to have all new files on the high end for the tournament.
And we can always open a 100+ Hard Songs Batch post-tournament.

So yes. No question in my mind we should have a D8.
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Bottom line, I think there should be a D8.

Should there be D8 during this tournament? No.

As someone has mentioned, We can look over tournament results to get a good grasp on where the split for D7 & D8 lies. There has been more or less always a split in high D7 or low D7, across multiple tournaments, so it's literally no different from the past 3 officials.

If we want to expand the song choice to provide content for D8 players, we can do that after the tournament and have it ready for the next tournament.
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:09 PM   #4
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:11 PM   #5
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I'm not sure I really get why people are concerned about the content for a D8 this tournament. If they're in D7 they're getting these files anyway. Splitting D8 off just gives a chance for other people to take a top place in D7 that otherwise would have 0 shot at it because the skill curve is pretty large.
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I'm not sure I really get why people are concerned about the content for a D8 this tournament. If they're in D7 they're getting these files anyway. Splitting D8 off just gives a chance for other people to take a top place in D7 that otherwise would have 0 shot at it because the skill curve is pretty large.
Thing is, if there IS available content for D8, that's the better option than giving them the same files as D7. The more top difficulty files are released, the better this game will be that's for damn sure.

If there's no content for them yet (like files not judged yet or w/e), then yes the argument is 100% about giving a chance to low-mid D7, which personally idc (for the record I might join, not sure tho).
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Thing is, if there IS available content for D8, that's the better option than giving them the same files as D7. The more top difficulty files are released, the better this game will be that's for damn sure.

If there's no content for them yet (like files not judged yet or w/e), then yes the argument is 100% about giving a chance to low-mid D7, which personally idc (for the record I might join, not sure tho).
The only high level files that are currently available are in the slots for D7 and that barely made it as is.
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:25 PM   #8
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The only high level files that are currently available are in the slots for D7 and that barely made it as is.
I figured. That'll change in the near-ish future but for now I suppose the choice is up to you to split D7 or not; in any case the line will be semi-arbitrary.
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Old 08-4-2019, 01:47 PM   #9
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secretly didnt want d8 so i wouldnt have to reach it

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i'll start this by saying this is purely anecdotal but i have spent about 2 out of my 2.5 or so years of actively playing in mid-high d7 range, so in my opinion if i was still at low d7 i wouldnt want to compete against the highest ranked players like etienne or nate because they are just lightyears ahead of where low d7 is. they are still both at least like 2 years of playing ahead of where i am now (i can only definitively point to like 1 or maybe 2 scores i have on sm as d8) but i still feel like i have a chance to come out on top in this tournament.

then again, i dont believe it would be impossible to reach top 8 in the tournament as low d7, but top 5 is probably impossible. i agree with others in the thread who say that there arent enough files at a high level to officially have an 8th division, but for the tournament i like it. i think the decision lies in the lower d7 players if they want to compete against the people currently set in d8 or not.

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Old 08-4-2019, 02:13 PM   #11
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ok so my question is that if D8 becomes a thing, how does it affect D1-7? do the level requirements for those change as well? or is D7 just going to be like a 5 level range?

i'm not sure if this has been answered already. mb if it has.
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I'm very surprised this is even a debate.


The difference between some of the best players in the world and the lowest D7 player is so monumental that it would be silly to include them in the same bracket. Yes, there's going to be some difference between the best and worst player in divisions, but not in the way that older tournaments brought with D7.
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ok so my question is that if D8 becomes a thing, how does it affect D1-7? do the level requirements for those change as well? or is D7 just going to be like a 5 level range?

i'm not sure if this has been answered already. mb if it has.
Doesn't matter much because divisions are pretty arbitrary, but even if D8 was like 103 to 106 that 4 levels range is like harder to go through than 1 to 103 so lol
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My original post wasn't really about the fact D8 should or not be a thing but anyway.

Following the original motivation for divisions existing, even D7 in the past tournaments was inadequate.
But the idea that anyone joining a sport/e-sport tournament has or should have a real shot at 1st place is already very

If the files are hard enough, competition still exists to get past the cutoff of whatever rounds people in your skill bracket risk being eliminated.
This is also why I mentioned extending prizes in the D7 range. Despite not being able to realistically compete with the top of the top, you would still have motivation to put effort in the tournament.
And I won't even get into the fact that having identical prizes for lower divisions is already a charity of sorts.

And this is coming from someone who should be placed at the very low end of D7.
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It honestly feels weird to make what I would consider a serious change to the structure so close to a tournament after sign ups have started, but if D7 likes the split and it's as easy as a few clicks to do then do it and worry about working everything else out afterwards

Honestly, just having a D8 where the obvious players are in and then making the cutoff obtaining like 8/10 of the AAAs they have in level 106+s or whatever would probably do in the sense that we're recognizing these players as better then the rest of D7, and anyone getting into D8 needs to just have the scores we see from them now. Cut and dry, easily defined, doneski.

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I'm almost tempted to suggest we should redefined every division and make D1- D10, but that's something to do well after the tournament. I get that with prizes and rewards already in place that's unappealing but when IIDX outgrew it's rating system it got a better system so that should be considered.

But again, after this tournament.
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I'm almost tempted to suggest we should redefined every division and make D1- D10, but that's something to do well after the tournament.
Why 1-10, that just seems like you want "nice numbers" no ??? I mean I like my volume to be at multiples of 5 but really what other arguments would you have for 1-10 ? I'm confused
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1-10 would kind of set the playerbase thin given current activity imho.
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if it exists they should have their own set of songs and there should be at least 15 people.
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do we even have enough songs to have a d8 in the OT? lol
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I was of course kidding

I have to say I thought about the whole D7 thing again but there would be what like a whole 5 or 6 people in it? lol
oh look, I said the same back then as I did now.
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