Can Song Rates Over 1 Count?

[sevinon]

I was wondering if there's any reason that saving is disabled for song rates above 1 (since they should only increase the difficulty relative to the nominal rating).

I find it really pointless (and boring) playing through 90 second+ NPS<8 songs to fill out my average rank, but it's a lot of fun clearing the easiest songs at higher speeds.

[Dinglesberry]

because it makes it easier to AAA all the really easy songs that are long

[xXOpkillerXx]

If you find it boring to improve your Average rank, which really isn't the main metric of skill at all, then don't improve it. There's no point in making rates above 1.0 count.

[SK8R43]

...improving your average rank is the ONLY point of this game. Theres no reason to play it if you dont play all of the songs lol

On the topic though, it has been discussed many times and majority of people say it shouldnt count for many reasons. For one it distorts the music and completely loses the whole point of the game, which is listening to the music. Secondly, it makes whoring the game that much easier. Theres probably other reasons that i cant think of ATM but you get the point.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

...improving your average rank is the ONLY point of this game. Theres no reason to play it if you dont play all of the songs lol

On the topic though, it has been discussed many times and majority of people say it shouldnt count for many reasons. For one it distorts the music and completely loses the whole point of the game, which is listening to the music. Secondly, it makes whoring the game that much easier. Theres probably other reasons that i cant think of ATM but you get the point.

Dude at times you should think a minute before submitting your posts, you seem to often be generating a lot of noise.

[rushyrulz]

Imagine presenting your subjective reason for playing as objective fact and managing to contradict yourself all in in 100 words or less

[Josemba]

The point of this game is making yourself an amazing profile.

[ositzxz369]

The point of this game is converting others into liking your musical taste (whether through the song itself or the steps).

[SK8R43]

The point of the game is listening to the music, aka playing all of the songs....why else are they in the game? So you can pick and choose 10 songs to make your level higher? LMAO no

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

The point of the game is listening to the music, aka playing all of the songs....why else are they in the game? So you can pick and choose 10 songs to make your level higher? LMAO no

No one is ever going to enjoy every song that's put into this game, it's silly to say the whole point of the game is to listen to -ALL- the songs. If it were just about listening to music I'd just use YouTube or Spotify.

Plus really, the "point" of this game can be different for different people. I enjoy tapping along to songs I like listening to, anything I don't is a chore for me. I'm not the type that cares to be the best of the best, but for others, the point of this game is to reach that level. Some people play for competition, some play just to have something to do with friends, some people are completionists that want every song played/FCed/AAAd whatever.

[Matthia]

The point of the game is to get high level

Average rank is just an option for long-run players

[sevinon]

Makes sense. I guess I'll go back to ignoring average rank then.

Thanks for the clarifications.

[SK8R43]

Negative. Level is a fairly new thing. Average rank has always been here.

[TheSaxRunner05]

On a serious note, I do think Rates above 1x should count to increase enjoyment of the game. It gives another avenue to interact more with FFR and increase activity around here. I liked Etienne's video about rates awhile back, it had some good points.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

On a serious note, I do think Rates above 1x should count to increase enjoyment of the game. It gives another avenue to interact more with FFR and increase activity around here. I liked Etienne's video about rates awhile back, it had some good points.

In a separate leaderboard yeah. They already give GTS and credits, so it "counts" in that aspect. But I think people have been asking for rate leaderboards for a while.

[Dinglesberry]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

In a separate leaderboard yeah. They already give GTS and credits, so it "counts" in that aspect. But I think people have been asking for rate leaderboards for a while.

whenenver someone brings this up people always ask how many there would be, like, would it be every .1 or .05 etc... osu solves this by just making the only rates 0.75, 1.0 and 1.5, but their way is bad in a million ways that I won't get into

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by Dinglesberry

whenenver someone brings this up people always ask how many there would be, like, would it be every .1 or .05 etc... osu solves this by just making the only rates 0.75, 1.0 and 1.5, but their way is bad in a million ways that I won't get into

The number isnt a big issue; velo checks how much data is fine to save and that gives us how many rates we can have. The UI would likely be the same for .1 or .001 increments, unless we want to display more than one rate per page of the leaderboard. Also obviously we can't have those scores count towards Skill Level in any legit way, but having just these leaderboards of rated scores would be nice.

[Josemba]

I prefer a rate ranking like Etterna has

[icontrolyourworld]

i'm still for rates over 1 to count for something

[xXOpkillerXx]

The only thing making rates count does is make it faster to get avrank. I am pretty confident there's nothing to argue there.

What does avrank measure ? Quite obviously, your average rank on all the songs in the game ("public" songs). It is a metric that is well known, although it is one that does not reflect skill nearly as well as the more recent metric that is your Skill Level. Avrank could've arguably benefited from the proposed change when it was the main metric of skill, as it would've made sense to provide a way for better players to climb the leaderboards faster.

That being said, there is absolutely no reason to make rates count as 1.0 scores other than, well, "I want to improve my placement on that metric faster", which is just making the game easier for nothing

Devonin argued that a good thing it does is make it not boring. And well the OP here shared concerns about avrank being boring. My opinion is that if you want to improve your avrank, you must be a completionist kind of player, because a competitive one would focus on Skill Level. Please let me know if there are any other reasons why one would focus on Avrank nowadays. So, going with the completionist idea, if you want to improve avrank but cannot bear with the tedious task that is to play all files on 1.0, then simply give up. There's not much more to it really.