Ingame Song Information

[EAGAMES]

Why is Club an 81 while AIM Anthem is a 78? How is Balloon Fever a 75? >_>

Anyways, AIM Anthem and down should be a VC and Club being the hardest FMO, or Strangeprogram. Perhaps EHHS since it's apparently easy to like 50 members.

[who_cares973]

EHHS is easy >.>

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by 0

NWE is fine as an FMO

No. Neither is Vertex Beta.

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

Anyways, AIM Anthem and down should be a VC and Club being the hardest FMO

...what?

Club is much easier to score on and mash on if needed. AIM is 100% straight jump jacks staring 50% in, and they alternate jumps at the very end of the song. To top it off, the last sets of jacks are single arrow, which means mashing isn't going to help anyway.

Club has short single arrow jacks, followed by jump alternations, and is actually slower too. Easy to mash FC, easier to score, easier overall than AIM--both should be FMOs.

[Bolth mannn]

strangeprogram is easy...

[qqwref]

Let's just make all the FMOs VCs and stop arguing

[leonid]

I suggest making every VC or lower I haven't AAAd an FMO, how about this?

[Prime8]

Originally Posted by leonid

I suggest making every VC or lower I haven't AAAd an FMO, how about this?

I didn't know those existed rofl

[Patashu]

I actually have a lot of trouble PAing NWE compared to Epidermis, LWIV, Silence etc etc

[Redorigami]

Originally Posted by Patashu

I actually have a lot of trouble PAing NWE compared to Epidermis, LWIV, Silence etc etc

I'm bad at slower consistent 16th stuff, so I'm with you on this.

[stavie33]

EHHS is too easy for 80, should be 79, not harder than Setsujou, Club is an 80, AIM should be 79/80, Fotbb 81 (seriously, wtf? 79? You're kidding right?), NWE 75, and Balloon Fever 74, that is my opinion

[EAGAMES]

Originally Posted by qqwref

Let's just make all the FMOs VCs and stop arguing

Everything from Rottel and down should become VC. Halogen is right about AIM Anthem, I guess. Perhaps it should be the easiest FMO because it's too homo to be a VC?

[One Winged Angel]

78 and down should be VC, with the exception of hajnal because it's homo as fuc

p.s. EA, that would make scythe VC lmao

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

p.s. EA, that would make scythe VC lmao

haha

Originally Posted by EAGAMES

Everything from Rottel and down should become VC. Halogen is right about AIM Anthem, I guess. Perhaps it should be the easiest FMO because it's too homo to be a VC?

AIM will only be the easiest FMO for me if it is the only FMO

Don't you think it would be weird to have one difficulty be 68-78, the next 79-83, and the next 84-95, though? I understand that you think some songs people have trouble on are totally easy, but your proposal is dumb because it makes FMO a very narrow difficulty range. It honestly looks like your motives are just "i don't want anyone to have oni, roar" which as I've said before is dumb because over 400 people already have it.

[One Winged Angel]

I think the entire difficulty scale could use reworking. Easiest - VD is probably as solid as it's gonna get, and Max Forever is a good 'hardest VD' song. But I'm thinking some of the easier VCs could be knocked down to challenging (stuff like SoE and tambourin chinois could easily be challenging), some FMOs knocked down to VC, and some FGOs knocked down to FMO. As it stands right now, the FGO difficulty range is huge (84 - 94), so I'm thinking something like:

Challenging: 60 - 69
Very Challenging: 70 - 78
For Masters Only: 79 - 85
For Gurus Only: 86 -94
13: 95+

The challenging difficulty span is kinda big, so maybe 60s and 61s could be bumped down to VD...CIA /Teh Tricky Techno/etc. could easily be VD too

Thoughts? You guys'll probably hate this lol

And it's not like this thread is gonna get updated for a while anyways lmao

[qqwref]

That makes sense; I'd be fine with it. I think the difference is that if all the difficulties were increased (for the higher-level songs anyway; I agree that the lower difficulties are not in need of changing) I could just get used to the new definitions of what a VC/FMO is. Just moving a huge amount of songs down, on the other hand, would be very difficult for me to accept because it would mean that (for example) VC is a range from songs I expect to AAA to songs I can't SDG.

[who_cares973]

we need to do what they did for challenging and make an easiest and hardest of each difficulty. over the frail dream was said to be the standard challenging so all the challenging files are based on that i would assume. lets do that for the rest yes?

[mhss1992]

Should we really base the difficulties on an elite of 100 players or so?
When all of you start getting FGO AAAs, will Frictional Nevada become a VC?
Well, I got 4-0-0-0 at EHHS, but, years ago, I even thought it was close to FGO, for heaven's sake! I would NEVER compare it to a VC.

[stavie33]

VD's:

Utopia (54)
Techno Green Greens (55, should be VD)
Butterflies (55)
Delta Beat (55)
Oasis -Long Version- (55)
Angel Stays on This Ground vocal remix (55)
Vanishing Gungaroon (55)
Indulgence (55)
Lovers Reef (56)
Dr0p! (56)
Grandolin (56)
Cyro Sleep (56)
Synic (56)
Remember 15 years ago (56)
Megascorcher (57)

C's:

Here's to Life Oni (60)
Inside the Fire (60)
Into the Night (61)
Toona Youkai Zenzen (62)
Sword Strike (62)
I am Maid (62)
Shining Sky (62)
Infinity 301 (63)
Nebula (63)
Rumia, Sealed Youkai of the Night (63)
Comfort Betrays (63)
R8U another (63)
Felys (64)
Shapeshifter (64)
Brainwave (64)
Dokodemo Kawaii (64)
Battle Theme #36 (64)
Streets (64, this song is a joke, I AAA'd one handed)
ABCDEath (65, honestly)
Far Away From Home (65)
Tell me a Story (compendium mix) (65)
Relic Expedition in Another Star (65)
Chaoz Japan (66)
Crystal Wind (66)
Falsie, the Pseudo Science girl (66)
Lapis ~the heaven's~ (66)
WAIWAI230 (67)
Gym Leader (RBY) (67)
Toph's Opening remix (67)
Fei Longer (67)
Washamoose's OP (67)

VC's:

Fighting For Control (68)
Nitrx (68)
Kamone 100% (68)
Pure in Asia (68)
Otter's Dance Hot Root mix (69)
Fake Jazz (69)
{Big Boss} (69)
Randomness Reactor 3 (69)
Ninja Lad (69)
Witches Hat (69)
Gacha Gacha Figu@mate (69)
Border of Maximum (69)
Speedcore Sunday (70)
Do a Barrel Roll! (70)
Casket of Star (70)
We Wish You A Merry XMas (Jazzy Groove Mix) (71)
Happy Happy Shining Star! (71)
Procrastination on Paper (71)
Air Sul in G. Rock (71)
DMYK (72)
Shining Sword (72)
Destined Marionette (72)
Nebula (she) (72)
The Final Conflict (72)
Purple (73)
A World Of Piano (73)
Piano X Forte (73)
moon_child -Go with the flow- (73)
Crash the Beat! (73)
Illumination of the Sky (73)
Ievan Polka (73)
Run Through the Stream of Time (74)
The Lunatic Princess (74)
Szeretscetlen (74)
Kil Stage (75)
Keep In Mind (75)
Bus Rides With People (75)
Twelve (75)
Kanon-Kanon (75)

FMO's:

Jeanie and Caroline (76)
Black Key Etude (76)
Summer Time Perfume (76)
300 (76)
Thrash (77)
Scythe of 13 (77)
Largiloquent Dithyramb (77 for jacks)
Radio Heads (77, other than the long jack, it's not bad at all)
Church Bells (78)
Night and Day (78)
Battle Theme #37 (78)
Blue Violet (78)
Kyrie (79)
Dead and Direct (79)
Document 13b (79)
Brandish Headless (79)
Master Maid (80)
3020 (80 those jacks eat me alive)
Bloodmeat [Heavy] (80)
bmv .578 (80)
Bloodhounds on my Trail (80)
Perfect Cherry Storm (80)
October (81)
Silly Symphony (82)
Toxiferous Dystopia (82)
He's a Radical Rat (83)
Momentary Life (83, it's fast and killer, IMO, open for debate)

FGO's:

Holy Orders (85)
Nomina Nuda Tenemus (85)
Across Rooftops (85)
Integraation (85)
Strawberry Sweetz (85)
Planet Karma (85)
I Hate The 80s (86)
Kidney Stone (86)
Little God Channel (86)
Necropotence (86)
Hardkore Atomic (87)
Schmollbluk (89)
La Campanella (90)
Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern (90)
Almost There (92)

The mystical 13th difficulty:

Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion (96)

Tokens:

Pianocore (77)
Here we Go!! (93)

Skill Tokens:

FMO's:

OMW v2 (76)
Disconnected Hardkore (76)
Gacha Gacha Hertz figu@radio (76)
Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia Mov. 3 (77)
Nanairopanda v2 (79)

In order from least to greatest difficulty IMO, like on the front page, idk BPM's

UPDATED

bolded songs are new and updated difficulties are bold as well

New things are based strictly on replays and the few I can play, since my wrist is shattered and all, at least I'm getting surgery friday

PS

Someone needs to compile this already and ****ing post it up front, it's been too damn long

[TC_Halogen]

Master Maid (81) --> (80) [Pretty easy, but bursts kill score.]
Momentary Life (83) --> (82) [open for debate--no bursts, just straight up speed, actually not too bad.]
Toxiferous Dystopia (82) --> (83) [strange patterns, 32nd flams are very tough to read, some 32nd bursts can't be easily jump trilled.]
Holy Orders (85) --> (86) [strange jump patterns, trill?]
Schmollbluk (88) --> (89) [open for debate--bursts are very difficult and you still need decent JS skill to handle the ending.]

Just a few of my thoughts. Anyone wanna discuss other changes? Stavie's done a great job on this and I think he should keep it up. =)

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Master Maid (81) --> (80) [Pretty easy, but bursts kill score.] I'd agree, except it's one higher than Oni, and since Oni is 80, this is 81, however I could lower both just 1
Momentary Life (83) --> (82) [open for debate--no bursts, just straight up speed, actually not too bad.] Debatable, it's just too damn fast, by far my worst FMO
Toxiferous Dystopia (82) --> (83) [strange patterns, 32nd flams are very tough to read, some 32nd bursts can't be easily jump trilled.]
One of my best FMO's, I personally don't think it's anywhere near as bad as others, I save 83 for > Big Blue (which I think should be an 82), stuff like Gymnastics and HaRR
Holy Orders (85) --> (86) [strange jump patterns, trill?] I'm sorry, I find this one really easy, if not for the trills I would totally AAA, but debatable
Schmollbluk (88) --> (89) [open for debate--bursts are very difficult and you still need decent JS skill to handle the ending.] agreed and changed

Just a few of my thoughts. Anyone wanna discuss other changes? Stavie's done a great job on this and I think he should keep it up. =)

replies in bold, and thanks