How old is old enough?

[slipstrike0159]

I wholeheartedly agree that each case should be handled with by the individuals personality and past decisions and not necessarily their age because, as has been stated, some kids know exactly what they are doing and they know they can get away with it. Now let me explain myself a little better, although each case should involve the individual, i think that a good general age where people should be completely accountable would be 19. As with the job theory, having being out and on your own for a while you will gain a bunch of life experiences and it will make you wise up to the fact that you are accountable for what you do. This does not mean in any way that people should not be held accountable before the age of 19, i just feel that this is a good general age although as i have said, each case should be determined by behavior and tendencies. If a kid gets in fights all the time at school and ends up killing someone, most people would say "he knew what he was doing, throw him in jail" now if all the facts pointed to cold blooded murder and possible that it was premeditated then sure go ahead. Although, no one should be completely judged based on age or previous actions because who knows, he could have just been screwing around got carried away or some unfortunate circumstance took place.

[Tisthammerw]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Should a sixteen year old be completely responsible for the consequences of his decisions on the matter of sexual relations and other life-changing decisions? No. Should a sixteen year old be responsible if he kills a man in cold blood? Yes. You learn that a lot earlier.

That's probably the best response I've seen for the "you can get tried for murder but not responsible enough for sexual relations" objection. Hence, laws like statutory rape are still a good thing (though albeit not necessarily perfect in all cases).

[purebloodtexan]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Yes, rental car companies are going to require driving tests of all their customers to see exactly how they will treat the rental car under every circumstance. That's ludicrous.

My friend got a rental car when he was 20 because his other car was in the shop and he was allowed to rent through his insurance company. He's a fine driver, and would easily pass for responsible, but since it was just a rental car he drove the **** out of it, went and did donuts and other things to it.

So how, praytell, do you think a company should determine maturity of its customers? Keep in mind that they still have a business to run and customer service to consider.

They document people's car accidents, right? Depending on what is put on paper, they could come up with something similar to a "3 strikes" system (I'm going to have to demonstrate my brother's accident in a minute), seeing if it was really the driver's fault. Think of it like a resume.

[kylehaas]

I think a teenager becomes an Adult once he or she is responsible enough to be able to care for children... as for the matter of making the children- marriage must come first. =)

[Tisthammerw]

Originally Posted by purebloodtexan

Now, here's the bull**** part: In order to even get a car under your name, you have to be 21, and to have a 2nd driver, that 2nd driver has to be 25.

Do you really need to be over 20 to know how to properly drive?

Here's the part I find kind of odd. People can legally drive all by themselves at 16, but not rent a car until they're 21? And they cannot rent a car by themselves until they are 25? When you're 18, you can vote, see porn movies, get drafted in the military to kill other people and die for your country. It seems reasonable that you should be able to rent a car at this age.

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by purebloodtexan

They document people's car accidents, right? Depending on what is put on paper, they could come up with something similar to a "3 strikes" system (I'm going to have to demonstrate my brother's accident in a minute), seeing if it was really the driver's fault. Think of it like a resume.

Um, the whole point is to avoid having any accidents whatsoever. THREE accidents? If you've gotten yourself into THREE at-fault accidents, you should probably have your license revoked. Forget about insurance prices or anything like that at that point.

[JKPolk]

Originally Posted by Tisthammerw

Here's the part I find kind of odd. People can legally drive all by themselves at 16, but not rent a car until they're 21? And they cannot rent a car by themselves until they are 25? When you're 18, you can vote, see porn movies, get drafted in the military to kill other people and die for your country. It seems reasonable that you should be able to rent a car at this age.

You know why? It's because there are a LOT of situations in driving that require reactions on instinct. You don't have the instincts to drive correctly in tough situations without years of experience. Think about it this way; you're playing a game where if your character dies, it's gone forever. Now, you've been playing this game for years and have this incredibly awesome character that you've invested a portion of your life into.

Would you let someone who's been playing the game for a week come along and play that character in a dangerous dungeon?

[Tisthammerw]

Originally Posted by JKPolk

You know why? It's because there are a LOT of situations in driving that require reactions on instinct. You don't have the instincts to drive correctly in tough situations without years of experience.

Then why bother allowing them to drive in the first place? Remember, at age 18 they can legally drive all by themselves. Hence the oddity (among other things) of not being able to rent a car all by themselves (even though they can own one).

I know car rental companies want to be extra cautious and allow only older people to rent their property. Still, it seems a bit odd that 18-year old people cannot in practice rent a car even though they can own one to drive all by themselves. After all, owning a car requires more responsibility than merely renting one (to say nothing of the superior responsibilities of fighting and dying for your country…).

[drummerlsu]

Originally Posted by Tisthammerw

Here's the part I find kind of odd. People can legally drive all by themselves at 16, but not rent a car until they're 21? And they cannot rent a car by themselves until they are 25? When you're 18, you can vote, see porn movies, get drafted in the military to kill other people and die for your country. It seems reasonable that you should be able to rent a car at this age.

I'm not sure where you're getting this rule. I rented a car under my own name for an extra fee. I was under the impression it was the rental companies themselves that made these rules. Who's to argue with them not wanting to rent to a group of the population that is much more likely to wreck their cars??

[JKPolk]

The reason why they can drive by themselves is shown in the video game example I made. It's the driver's car, if they **** it up it's their problem. But The rental companies spend a lot of money getting and maintaining cars, they don't need some kid with too little experience making a simple judgment error and totaling their car.

[Tisthammerw]

Originally Posted by drummerlsu

I'm not sure where you're getting this rule. I rented a car under my own name for an extra fee. I was under the impression it was the rental companies themselves that made these rules.

That's true, but see my post before yours (post #28). It all seems to generate a bit of an oddity: you cannot in practice rent a car but you can own one, even though ownership requires more responsibility.

[Tisthammerw]

Originally Posted by JKPolk

The reason why they can drive by themselves is shown in the video game example I made. It's the driver's car, if they **** it up it's their problem. But The rental companies spend a lot of money getting and maintaining cars, they don't need some kid with too little experience making a simple judgment error and totaling their car.

That's true, but see my post before yours (post #28). It all seems to generate a bit of an oddity: you cannot in practice rent a car but you can own one, even though ownership requires more responsibility.

[purebloodtexan]

Originally Posted by JKPolk

The reason why they can drive by themselves is shown in the video game example I made. It's the driver's car, if they **** it up it's their problem. But The rental companies spend a lot of money getting and maintaining cars, they don't need some kid with too little experience making a simple judgment error and totaling their car.

It seems to me as if the rental car gets in an accident, the rental company puts the car in its own hands, and they trust that people in the official adult age won't get in such accidents. That's why I'm asking that they come up with a better system for people that want to rent a car. I could drive throughout my entire teenage life and not get in an accident, and when I turn 21, I could total my car.

Instead of saying that only mature "adults" can drive, they should make the car buyer responsible.

Sorry if this doesn't make any sense, I have a cold right now and it's f*cking with my head. I'll stop posting for now.

[drummerlsu]

Originally Posted by Tisthammerw

That's true, but see my post before yours (post #28). It all seems to generate a bit of an oddity: you cannot in practice rent a car but you can own one, even though ownership requires more responsibility.

It isnt' an oddity. When you rent something to someone with higher risk, you make less profit in the long term. When you sell something to someone you make the same profit regardless of their risk of tearing it up.

Assuming money and logistics aren't factor, it's easier to buy something than it is to rent something.

[Tisthammerw]

Originally Posted by drummerlsu

It isnt' an oddity. When you rent something to someone with higher risk, you make less profit in the long term.

Yes, that part I understand, but the end result is still odd: we live in a world where an 18-year-old can own a car but not rent one, even though owning a car requires more responsibility.

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, it's odd, maybe even a little ironic, but so what? It happens all the time.

Originally Posted by purebloodtexan

They document people's car accidents, right? Depending on what is put on paper, they could come up with something similar to a "3 strikes" system (I'm going to have to demonstrate my brother's accident in a minute), seeing if it was really the driver's fault. Think of it like a resume.

First of all, history is effectively no indication of the future.
Secondly, that's STILL a horrible system of selecting customers.

With the legal system and property protection, these companies can do what they want, even require that you have to be forty to rent a car. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. They shouldn't have to allow certain people to drive, even if those people have immaculate driving practices.

As has been said in the other thread, age is THE BEST way to draw a line. You really aren't going to come up with a better (and still feasible) means of risk analysis.

--Guido

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[Billydude]

Wait a sec... so the girl wanted to be peed on?

Was the guy like "Hey can I pee on you?" and she said yes?

[Billydude]

Originally Posted by RB_Dreamscanner

lmfao

That's the only thing I could think of honestly XD. I don't know why should would want to get peed on anyways. If she thinks getting peed on is sexy she's just weird.

[purebloodtexan]

Originally Posted by Billydude

That's the only thing I could think of honestly XD. I don't know why should would want to get peed on anyways. If she thinks getting peed on is sexy she's just weird.

Some people get sexual pleasure from human feces. There are a lot of weird people on the face of the planet.