[Concluded] 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

[hi19hi19]

Oh actually the most important thing, are we going to ever get the judgment notes?
I want to know what I can do better.

[t-rogdor]

realtalk: did i lose points for making the artist on my submission this round "Venetian Gay"

[tosh]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Honestly looking through the ratings, if there's any one I disagree with it's the rating for xXOpkillerXx's file.

That file was fuckin FUN.

I came back to play it the most out of any of the files that weren't the 4 high ranked Bulldozers.
Maybe woulda tossed him a few more points for replayability, because in the end the file simply being fun IS a valid concern; this is a game after all.
Oh well, Opkiller gets extra points in my heart <3

Yeah, I felt the same way. My two personal favorites in this round were AJ's and Opkiller's files.

[j-rodd123]

oh cool a dumb pile of trash won

[lurker]

this is the only reason i sent in a file in the first place
https://soundcloud.com/lurker/what-t...-doing/s-6ieJy

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

oh cool a dumb pile of trash won

lol what

[xXOpkillerXx]

Thx Cornman and Tosh, really appreciated. Kinda disappointed by the rating I got tbh because yes, fun factor was my main concern this round and well, I don't think I've sacrificed technicality all that much so that it would be a dumpfile... went for the bmah style climax ending with handstream layering and made every JS/pattern as smooth as possible. Oh well... Good job Nathan I called that win in skype chat haha you deserved it for sure~ keep steppin good stuff man

[hi19hi19]

If I have a word of advice, save that file and next time someone makes a JS pack (*cough* wonder what I'm working on right now?) send it in. It'll get some love in the SM community too.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

lol what

not the file the person

[MarioNintendo]

It would be cool to know who stepped what before we all forget that this thread exists, too!

[trumaestro]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Oh actually the most important thing, are we going to ever get the judgment notes?
I want to know what I can do better.

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

It would be cool to know who stepped what before we all forget that this thread exists, too!

+1

[hi19hi19]

At least tell us if you are planning to release notes or not.
I can wait for the notes themselves I just want to know.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

At least tell us if you are planning to release notes or not.
I can wait for the notes themselves I just want to know.

EDIT:
Debating this. Hold on:

EDIT2:

Going to say no for now, for drama / other reasons. Might say yes later but more focused on the winners and getting their files finished for now.

[MarioNintendo]

Since my file was a troll file absolutely begging for bad reviews, could you at least release those?

[MarioNintendo]

Drama is cool and so should you

[hi19hi19]

Not gonna lie, that's pretty fucking lame.

Oh well at least you answered.

[Xiz]

Let me finalize the winner's songs and get those confirmed, then i'll look into it again. Gimmi a bit mmk

[MyNameIsNothing]

yeah understandable waiting for winners picks.
i would love to see my notes to know what i could have improved on, it'd be especially helpful since those were my two first attempts at stepping anything.

I think the benefits from it would far outweigh any drama.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Let me finalize the winner's songs and get those confirmed, then i'll look into it again. Gimmi a bit mmk

You want an honest opinion?


I think this is an incredibly shitty and smug response, but I've come to expect that with this tournament.
The fact it's SUCH a major fucking deal to go "okay here's the notes" or decide "I am not going to release notes, here's why" is sort of indicative of all the reasons I've been disappointed with how this tournament has been run so far.

Until now I've been trying to be diplomatic, giving the tournament multiple second chances. But overall, this tournament has been a huge mess and has left me (and others) profoundly disappointed with how it was run:

First off, the format was fully fucking retarded.
Let's start with how little the first two rounds mattered. Of course scores on the first two rounds meant nothing for final placement, which is stupid, but it's worse than that. The first two rounds didn't matter AT ALL unless you submitted a total pile of garbage- actually, even that's wrong.
You could submit a total pile of garbage and still get through! Remember the cutoff to get into the finals from group D was a whopping 4/10. Several people got into the second round on files that would have literally gotten them multiple [--] ratings on a real batch, and based on the ratings given to people who advanced to the final, 16/20 of them would have had their files rejected from a real batch. Let that sink in. 80% of people in the final round got there based on an effort that wouldn't even have qualified them to put their file into the game.
WOW. HIGH QUALITY COMPETITION. GREAT FORMAT.

Of course, the competition was so damn high quality because everyone had great feedback on their files, right?
Of course not, there hasn't been a single judge note in this entire thread.
In this thread, I've given the most helpful feedback by far, which seems rather odd as I'm not a judge.
Considering the fact that judging took so long you guys must have generated some pretty detailed opinions. Why hide them?
This is the main problem with the tournament. With no incentive to do well in the first two rounds and no notes for feedback, literally nothing is changing. You'd hope a stepping tournament would be a catalyst for people improving and getting more interested in stepping, but so far all it did was foster an attitude of "I'll just shit out two pieces of trash to get into the final then try my hardest, but not learn anything because there's no notes to learn from"

Also, the song choice was pretty piss-poor. We've already been over this, but I'll reiterate it- group A and C were vastly different from group B and made for a somewhat skewed first round, group D was just completely hopeless as far as generating interesting files especially when compared with group E, and the "each of these songs caters to different styles" angle in the finals seems to have been a failure as well considering the top 4 places were all one choice and another of the choices basically only had one submission.

I'm not even going to get into the judging, but I'll just mention that if there's a judge who has had complaints about their judging after every single batch for the past few years, maybe you shouldn't ask them to judge a competition where real money is on the line. Just a suggestion.

I was going to be charitable and say at least you finished the tournament on time, but then the final round was late so I can't even say that.


And before people say I'm pissed because I didn't get top 3- let me be absolutely clear, I'd be as pissed as I am now if I got 2nd or 12th. LITERALLY all I want to know is what I could have done better, and so far I have exactly zero feedback for all my work.

I wasn't salty at all until I learned that your attitude towards the results was basically "you didn't win and I don't plan on letting you know why, hope this random number we assigned tells you why your file wasn't good enough kbye"
So yeah. You wanted drama? NOW I'm salty.

[lurker]

"this tournament sucked because everyone who was retarded enough to submit a single file to it sucks at making files except me and my chosen ones" -corn