TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

So do you town read v? The way I interpreted the interaction with you and him was him going "ad hominems until you agree with me" which is kinda red to me. But you don't seem too concerned, is this standard v play? I don't remember how he plays.

I'm torn, but aside from that I'm not comfortable with people getting attached to "he's bullying us" as a means to lynch atm

regarding his actual alignment, I don't think he'd be so openly aggressive as a wolf unless he was aiming for total domination of the phase, which I don't see as happening, and he's totally within his right to call me on bad questioning

popping in and saying "X is scum, lynch him" is something I see a lot from him, so on that point, I don't see anything particularly off ---- it's just this time I'm demanding more than that

I do have a mental image of him pleading for town to trust him, which hasn't happened yet, saying like "please if there are any questions you have for me, I want you to understand where I'm coming from, I want to work together with you to understand your mindset" etc. which I haven't seen yet, but he's done this as both town and wolf iirc, so the jury's out on this point

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

which I haven't seen yet, but he's done this as both town and wolf iirc, so the jury's out on this point

I actually need to revisit this point and check the games where I remember him doing this

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

V in all honesty, I don't want to keep you up, I just eventually want some attempt at substantiation later on in the phase

I will continue to give exactly what I promised in pregame. I'm honest about my feelings and shooting from the hip. You will always find my thoroughness lacking since I'm giving 20ish minutes at a time and nothing more.

[DaBackpack]

V whenever you read this, this question is going to sound stupid, but there's just one thing I want to check

how confident are you in your claim on Xel?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

I will continue to give exactly what I promised in pregame. I'm honest about my feelings and shooting from the hip. You will always find my thoroughness lacking since I'm giving 20ish minutes at a time and nothing more.

I believe this

but from my perspective, it's not easy to blindly believe where you're coming from with reads, when I share an opposite opinion with you

[DaBackpack]

well, not so much that I can't understand your narrative, but my current narrative is winning out in my own mind

[DaBackpack]

narrative about Xel*

[rzr]

now this is the backpack I think is town

[rzr]

Originally Posted by rzr

now this is the backpack I think is town

that made absolutely no fucking sense

I meant to type now this is the backpack we all know as town, very inquisitive, but even in a heated discussion he's investigative without being aggressive

at least what I've seen the last few games when he was scum he'd be very aggressive, tho circumstances are a bit different I imagine

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this doesn't look good, but I feel like this is something he would say in other games considering our past interactions

I dunno why this comment would be taken badly

like I understand one COULD interpret it as me like attempting to like play nice or w/e pocket / w/e the term would be here but ehhhhhhhhhh.

The post chain here is not completely me messing around

I really would probably have argued to / just kill(ed) one of them

But that's speculation on my side so w/e post doesn't really read well without that last tid bit.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I dunno why this comment would be taken badly

like I understand one COULD interpret it as me like attempting to like play nice or w/e pocket / w/e the term would be here but ehhhhhhhhhh.

The post chain here is not completely me messing around

I really would probably have argued to / just kill(ed) one of them

But that's speculation on my side so w/e post doesn't really read well without that last tid bit.

this is pretty much how I could see it being read

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by rzr

that made absolutely no fucking sense

I meant to type now this is the backpack we all know as town, very inquisitive, but even in a heated discussion he's investigative without being aggressive

at least what I've seen the last few games when he was scum he'd be very aggressive, tho circumstances are a bit different I imagine

Hate to burst your bubble but

you can't just think he's town

we have an SK and the best way to play SK is to play town

because you really have nothing to lose in doing that and if I recall he's done it before.

/correct me if I am wrong on that

just uhg paranoia hat a little

just a little tho

[rzr]

I'm not saying he's lock clear or anything, just that I him in my town pile for now. I considered the SK thing too, and you definitely could be right, and we've actually seen DBP's SK game recently, so it's not far fetched. Just sharing my thoughts on his interactions so far

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hate to burst your bubble but

you can't just think he's town

we have an SK and the best way to play SK is to play town

because you really have nothing to lose in doing that and if I recall he's done it before.

/correct me if I am wrong on that

just uhg paranoia hat a little

just a little tho

both times I've rolled SK I've used that tactic because I can still scumhunt while still technically being antitown

first time I almost won, second time I won

so yeah, this is right

[DaBackpack]

I'm not terribly concerned about the SK at the moment, I think it will be more obvious as time goes on

[DaBackpack]

but yes you can't totally lock clear anyone, but you can remove them from a mafia pile, which imo is going to be the most fruitful course of action this phase

[DaBackpack]

lynching mafia*

[rzr]

well one thing we can say is whoever is SK killed roundbox, and there's been some opinions tossed around about that indicating an SK who would be intimidated by round, i.e not a newer player, and vice versa with tokzic's kill.

I agree tho, that's what I was trying to say just now to Xel about wanting to note your town meta as I saw it, I didn't put much thought into you being the SK because I think it will become more clear after people talk more and tomorrow happens

[DaBackpack]

well, that's not totally true, but our mindset should be focused on finding relationships between players, and not on a singular antitown

[rzr]

^ precisely

Is dfr usually a quite-ish player? I was hoping to catch more of his input