TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If you're town ?

idk man i really think you're a wolf here

[Hakulyte]

I need players to

A) evaluate you
B) you to evaluate players

I just don't care about the rest.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by YoshL

thread catchup stream of consciousness


i don't think i'm being scum read by anyone in the game which feels nice and not nice because i was going to see if there would be anything to glean out of if there was some split

thoughts as i'm catching up with the thread

@Ulle big post #344 http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=344
mechanics discussing will always have the input of wolves able to skew strategies, and be privvy to strat busting

Haku's long page feels horrible and is like a regression back towards null from towny early. huge tower posts where quotes are saying more than the "analysis" just feels so bad, and it's mostly just re-iterating what happened in the thread without treading too much new ground. At most, haku offers up small commentary reads, but there's not much to actually focus on.

mellon and freezin have been generally null for me, i don't think i have enough from mellon's posts to really have a solid read yet.
freezinice i don't think (to be completely honest) i have spent enough time trying to read yet this game, because i haven't seen anything jump out to me yet that makes me lean freezin one way or the other

I think i'm feeling fine with plop this phase, at least based on general problem solving attempts (e.g. #387 http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=387)

sunfan's grilling of xiz that follows actually doesn't feel too good with me, but it's unfortunately one of those things that i can't really put my finger on, some strange cordiality in thread that makes me feel weird.

T-Force describing FFA (#398 http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=398) is literally how I think of ffa, and to be completely honest, I've been doing mostly what i can to steer clear of saying that myself, because I have already large sus on ffa for leaning me town early game which feels wrong lmao

sunfan feels better from the dbp vote, it's more along the lines of what i was thinking, which i posted briefly later in thread.

feeling out shadow still, and at the very least, tone feels natural. the foot down @ ffa (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=405) feels like something they'd say based on the limited posts and discord messages i've read from them.

Haku #425 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=425) fg null, with questionable reads? unsure if i missed fg reads at all, or if haku's making this up.
His following post is also really strange, because i don't see the logic jump from (Ulle/T-Force are sort of tied by fate in this coin flip timeline.) to (leaning to vote Ulle in order to indirectly solve T-Force/Sunfan.)
#436 haku also says (I can hypothetically town read FFA/T-Force/Ulle/Yoshl, but im playing with fire.) in his consolidated reads list which is even more confusing


(from plop)
will clarify that because i've never played w/ ulle or really even read anything they've ever posted from any previous games, it's more of a legitimately unsure type situation given that there was i think like 1-2 people who said they're very mechanics heavy

-----

(i'm at post 480, but i want to get my thoughts in if people respond or other stuff happens before i can finish catching up)

I've been attention to YoshL this game but I haven't really commented on him yet. His development on Haku, both within D0 and between D0-D1 is uniquely towny, because it there is very little wolf equity in making early reads and rocking the boat within the same phase by trending that read in the opposite direction.

That's not great wording, but the fact that YoshL initially had Haku as strong town but slowly evolved it into a null read, and now into a stronger wolfread is a heavy investment to make as a wolf. In general I think wolf YoshL would spread his energy 'outwards' and have a broader depth of opinion and rest on his early Haku read instead of putting in the additional effort of evolving on Haku, especially this subtle kind of progression has very low return on investment as a wolf strategy.

[Hakulyte]

I feel like a bully so, I'm just going to announce that I'm voting FG until the end of the game unless I get juicy info.

Thank you very much.

That was my last post for tonight.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

ok haku, here's why i'm not town-reading you

you're /wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/ too grounded here to be town. your reads are very logical but they lack the depth and paranoia that makes your town game unique

like i just checked out haku's iso. it's like it's a whole 'nother person? i'm always able to town read you when we're town together so i shouldn't be struggling here

this is a good insight from FG, something I hadn't considered so far. hmmm

[Shadow_God_10]

Here's my schtick

If I think Haku is town, I wolf read FG

Vice versa

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

haku if you were town and i were wolf you bet i'd be town reading you rn

even if we were wolf partners i wouldn't do it. and we've been partners before

i wouldn't dare try to wolf read you unless i really thought you were scum

I'm concerned that FG is starting to look townier

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by TWGma

Another thing that bothers me is, with Haku, he seems all over the place.
Him contradicting himself from post A to B and A and B are 3 posts apart is a cause of concern.

This is a really point of comparison w/r/t funnygurl

FG was wolf-reading Haku because of his consistency and lack of paranoia

T-Force was wolf-reading Haku for the exact opposite reason, that Haku was NOT consistent and all over the place

I kind of think this incongruency between the two is more of an indicator that they aren't coordinating, so I might be wrong about FG/T-Force pairing.

The bolded segment is a wolf tell. Look up "concern trolling." Not exactly the same thing but phrasing your read as "a cause of concern" is a really passive way of expressing a read.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that it never actually concerned you.

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I feel like a bully so, I'm just going to announce that I'm voting FG until the end of the game unless I get juicy info.

Thank you very much.

That was my last post for tonight.

Interesting...

Are we gonna see a Thunderdome here?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Now I feel like the worst person ever if I even think at voting there.

For the future. If something like this ever happens don't feel the need to swap your vote off of me out of guilt. My personal problems shouldn't dictate the flow of the game. I've slept through EoD a bunch of times in past games and have gotten punished for it. I don't get mad, you guys do what you have to do to play the game

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

For the future. If something like this ever happens don't feel the need to swap your vote off of me out of guilt. My personal problems shouldn't dictate the flow of the game. I've slept through EoD a bunch of times in past games and have gotten punished for it. I don't get mad, you guys do what you have to do to play the game

Note that even if I voted you, it wasn't going to be a game changer here.

FFA/Ulle still ended up being the main wagon.

I'm pretty sure FFA got read as Phoenix Wright because of the narrative thing and 1-2 wolves might have openly wanted him dead.

FFA also recently afk'd EoD D0 as PR and that looked pretty similar.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by fatfuck42

Interesting... If he's less aggressive as town then that'd line up with his game here...

I don't know what to think!

weak shit

plop lookin a little wolfy

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by YoshL

I think this is the first concrete post of t-force that i don't like, because it feels a little more like a gross oversimplification of why people (at least, to me) want to vote Ulle here, and it's much more than "not having enough time to play and catch up with thread", and generalization makes me swing tforce way into wolf side. While I actually think this doesn't necessarily tie him with ulle, I think it's much more indicative of a "not concerned with solving the game" attitude.

Like, this post does a lot in calling people out for doing something, but it also doesn't do a lot in taking a stance of "behavior is wolfy, or null, or towny"

YoshL, where do you stand with T-Force now?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i think this is great

this post is amazing

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by TWGma

For those of us who didn't, can you fill us in?


Also, re: votes on me:
lol
Same ol' shit.

stank

[Shadow_God_10]

Ugh I'm getting cold feet I need to take a step back for a sec

[DaBackpack]

there is a very confusing love triangle between haku-fg-tforce

haku and tforce not aligned?
fg and tforce not aligned?

I think that makes it, {t-force} or {haku+fg}?

[Hakulyte]

The game I had in mind was Turbo 30 - Nonary Games with the D0 afk PR btw.

Originally Posted by TWGma

I'd recommend reading TWG 191 because wolf FFA was definitely NOT aggresive in comparison to his town games.

Also, this is like.. the 3rd time you've flip-flopped on FFA today.

I just looked that up and in TWG 191, ffa was a replacement.

I think this impacts his playstyle as he's just temporary in the game and hasn't time to become grounded.

This might be a better example for wolf FFA @ Senpai.

[Shadow_God_10]

Senpai game triggers my PTSD

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

because FG and T-Force are both wolves and FG placed a vote on him for distancing purposes

but then T-Force was actually in danger so she swapped to save him

duh

I take this back after now having read the entire thread