TWG 194 - Game Thread

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

So, how do you know that without knowing the TTT etc. from wolf team ?

idk
I don't do setup math, I just listen to the person who does it and it always seems to work out
I really, really hate C9++

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

idk
I don't do setup math, I just listen to the person who does it and it always seems to work out
I really, really hate C9++

The mass claim doesn't solve the game the way you think.

You figure out that people are lying when the amount of VTs and town PRs doesn't match something that makes sense.

You don't directly solve it from the setup letters unless you're the wolf team.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn

Is it not fair to assume that since there’s been no counterclaim, Leetic is legit?

just like meeeeeee

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

idk
I don't do setup math, I just listen to the person who does it and it always seems to work out
I really, really hate C9++

will you listen to me if im the one who does it because legit nobody is doing it and im not sure if people trust me even if i do it

[Hakulyte]

2 players with a 1-shot role ?

What a meme setup.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

2 players with a 1-shot role ?

What a meme setup.

more real then ya think

done a c9+++ with like 4 doctors

anything can happen if the letters work

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by Xiz

will you listen to me if im the one who does it because legit nobody is doing it and im not sure if people trust me even if i do it

I will, even if I think you're a wolf

[Hakulyte]

I think Xiz is more likely to be town than leetic because he was at a higher risk to get CC'd.

[flashflash account]

streaming sekiro again if anyone wants to watch

[Hakulyte]

leetic almost died D0 and didn't even blink an eye too.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I will, even if I think you're a wolf

will in a bit, just started ffxiv with partner ill bbl but will do

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

leetic almost died D0 and didn't even blink an eye too.

That being said, the same applies to leetic on a lesser degree.

[Bolth mannn]

Gonna park my vote on dbp for now

I'll be on a bit later tonight and I'll definitely be back at least an hour before EoD, but its almost sleeping time in Australia.

Really want to see more from shadow and dusk as well.

[ShadoWolfe]

Duskfall
weird vibes off duskfall's repeated "i'm a wolf" jokes in the beginning. went a bit farther like he didn't know where to stop / got uncomfortable and felt going farther was better
ugh duskfall coming back with #504 and #507 makes me physically uncomfortable from the awkwardness. I remember dusk being a formidable force, and I hope he goes back to that because all this "look at me I'm towny I'll even joke about beeing a woof and joke about not bothering to solve the game and joke about randomizing lynch and say other people are townier than me" is lightweight nauseating
#783 "I want to know why you were suggesting me and ulle as partners, I don't really care if you are sticking with or not i want to know the full process of how you got there" looks good in retrospect to be cautious of being tied to ulle, indicates not knowing she's town. this follows #729, #742, and #765 asking the same question trying to get thru to Haku. Persistence looks good too, though its all he responded to in 60 posts across an hour of checking in
#789 last post before leaving thru EoD. this was EoD 1h-38m.

DBP pulling a Precarious here on the mad mechanics is meh
oh he's self aware about it. -"I hate that so many of my posts have been about this but I think it's important to establish the "why"" - this is honestly fair. even reading up, I could see myself getting caught in the argument of lynching inactives D0 vs going after active wolves, so I can relate to getting caught in it while hating that its consuming my time
#387 "I was gonna wait for Xiz to come back but I'll just elaborate on this now " good intro to a good catch on the SK thing. the only peeps thinking about SK before a flip are usually woofs tryna fish.
#420 yup yup yup DBP might be good after all
#832 vote on psycho seems to be following up on voting inactives and following Xiz. EoD -43m


Leetic
leetic called out ull for a "typical scum intro" but then did the same exact thing himself
leetic seems hyperfocused on MML for what I don't see as productive reasons, but this: " Is it bad that this is the closest thing to a read that I have seen from you? I mean, we can criticize inactives but you have posted more than anyone else and your ISO is rather shallow." post to DBP pinged me as genuine frustration
#548 calls out xiz saying he didn't want to be top poster as a deflection. makes sense, could be a genuine thought (or just riding the anti-xiz wave?)
#861 comes back for the first time since the xiz claim with a vote on FFA, then drops slank for EoD in the following post. #861 was just 2 minutes after FG joined FFA and MML in expressing discomfort at the absence.
#928 a vote on psycho at EoD -1m (self-pres just in case?) after staying silent and watching the count. votes were 5/4 split after Bolth voted leetic so it'd be too close for comfort without a self pres, though his silence is definitely sus. idk what FFA is waiting for but this better be god-tier
#comes out as 1shot cop with a greencheck on FG with a great soft. there's worlds to look at here but what's actionable right now is accepting the claim and check as is


FFA
FFA town. response to DBP shift solid. WAAAAAAAIT #490 is a craftier FFA that's way more wolf!FFA than any town I've ever seen him. really really sus. it's a good post coming from anyone else
#552, 555, 556 good progression going into the frustration in #562
#602 vibing with this man, FFA's reactions to the whole Xiz thing have been primo meld
#722 avoids a really easy opportunity to go for an easy lynch that's building momentum by saying no after being asked if he'd vote ulle, then says MML's pov against FG's read is really pure. Looks great in retrospect.
#848 after pushing FG wagon, reminds FG he's openminded but "as a whole you just seem less invested in resolving specific slots than usual. what does that mean? idk. but I'm surprised nobody wants to vote you"
#875 ??? leetic is lock town pending the intensity and focus of their case against FFA... after having disappeared for nearly half the phase? if you haven't elaborated on this, I'm curious whyyyyyy
#907 votes psycho EoD-5mins after a VC where its 3/3/2 for leetic/psycho/FG with a note "I still think xiz is wolfing. just following mech" which is the most oddly compliant I've ever seen FFA. Considering I've seen him hold his vote on a target alone thru EoD and not regret it the next day, this is a strange departure. @FFA what's changed?


FG
not liking this hovering from FG. seems off. like a general overt "i'm your friiiieeeeeend" while posting more just seems like she's writing to mask her inactive wolf meta of late
#405 a solidly townh post from FG in response to MML's prod. also "i think no one has been satisfied with his recent play style" wrt DBP is lw such a burn tho.
nice, turning the page from writing Haku town and first post on the new page is FG: "haku's town god bless"
the posts
#658 hard defense *again* on leetic. knowing someone's town meta is not the same thing as being able to recognize their wolfgame
#705 sudden switch to "i mean we /can/ kill jess i'd feel bad about it but we /can/" after pushing a Ulle lynch for the last few posts is weird considering the only time jessie's been mentioned in over 100 posts is Ulle herself leaving jessie as one of her suspicions before leaving.. basically backs up as soon as Ulle provides an alternative to leetic
#731 unvotes as momentum around ulle shifts away, then votes jess.
#757 FG asks FFA about dusk and says she's gonna ISO him, then quotes one post and stops her ISO with "I guess I don't gotta finish isoing him thanks FFA" when FFA says "dusk is ok"
#775 "I'm faking most of the confidence but confidence is there" wrt leetic... I'm realizing part of my issue with FG is that it feels like she's just throwing shit everywhere to see what sticks and then walking back anything that feels tough
#856 "yeah leetic wth" agreeing with FFA/MML saying leetic's absence has them worried. feels wrong to walk back the hard leetic defense, but I could see this being due to the prolonged absence getting her nervous as well
#885 "reiterating my intention to vote psychoangel if she doesn't show up" cmonn psycho is below the post minimum EoD -14m and no one has noticed she's below post minimum ughh
#917 finally votes psycho after waiting to EoD -3m.. I can't remember the last time FG's been this careful to project her vote ahead in an EoD
oh nice #926 switches to jess "y'all don't need my psycho vote jess is scum" this is more like FG EoDs lol
daaaang greenchecked! by.. leetic..! whelp, I'll accept this for now. in any case, this will play itself out one way or another.


Haku
Haku town. #410 especially so town even tho the point is misdirected.
#461 hahahahahahahahahaha omg Haku town
#522 huh. why not consider duskfall til D3? that's a hard defense for an iffy recipient, with a pushed vote on Xiz to further the point.
mmmm I really don't like #524-527. It feels like a contrived stance after the #522 defense. If dusk flips red, I think Haku will merit a much closer look
#536 is a return to a much more normal town Haku tone. Asking Xiz to engage him even if only for Xiz to get support from others
#545 "I beg you" ok nvm Haku can be town again
#735 to FG's jessie vote "oh cmon here, you're even the one that said she was busy with life stuff" *so pure*
#773 asking FG out of the blue if she's confident about leetic then following up with "a second opinion could be meaningful here" looks good


Xiz
Xiz coming, making light of the SK ish by claiming SK then dipping out is so Xiz it's frustrating, though I wish he'd have elaborated on his thoughts at the time
#518 is a fair intent, though I can't remember a time in the last 4 years where Xiz has been top poster
#519 yesssss someone drawing heat on duskfall
interaction with Haku puts Xiz in a good light
okay weird turnaround. @Xiz if you haven't answered this yet, why did Dusk go from lowest to 2nd highest town?
#565 is possibly the weirdest post in the game so far. it deserves being quoted in its entirety to draw back to the WTF " because reasons. I rather die and get mislynched here then tell you. I don't believe in you ffa, i believe in my top town to win." even after reading the claim the next post, this post still makes 0 sense.
#583 reads like truly genuine frustration at Haku, but I think that's an easy source to tap into, especially given the irrelevance of Haku to the situation. all Haku said in the last ~20 posts was "I don't believe the claim".
#591, 594, 599 okay. so you were frustrated 'cause you wanted to pull something bigbrained off and then got upset and blamed other ppl when it blew up in your face. now you want to act haughty and say its because you're dealing with lvl 1 players? this whole thing stinks and its hard to believe you're truly indignant about a mess of your own creation.
#712 "duskfall is off the table" why, again? or is it still too early to answer?
vote on psycho at #738 at EoD - 2h42m, too early to think she won't meet postcount so that's a fine inactive vote
#896 "funny is a really really bad lynch today" EoD-11m, still holding psycho vote, doesn't answer "why" from bolth
#931 rescinds/resends his 1shot vig claim at :00 after phase timer okayyy haha there's a lotta ways this can go, let's see #chaos play out
#959/964 re-claims 1shot, shot leetic but blocked or hit vest


Bolth
this bolth person seems genuine. yo @bolth you got much experience playing maf?
" It's worse when you grow up with Bolth as your last name and everyone spelling it wrong so now whenever I read the word 'both' I do a double take cause I think its my name. " but is it pronounced bolT, bolTH, boTH, or BOAT??????
#503 following an introspective conversation, "Problem with my solving last game was it was entirely gut reads. Maybe it's easier to stick with those kinds of reads when the phases are only 12 hours long, but my initial gut reads of scum in this game make less and less sense the more I think about them" considering this was in response to FFA telling him he was 2 for 2 in the previous game, I'm viewing the uncertainty as more likely to come from town here.
#883 been awhile. I think 503 was his last post aside from his re-entrance at 878, so he's missed a lot and even at 503 he was sorely lacking real reads. anyway, #883 calls out DBP as out of character for not pushing wagons at EoD. this is more AI of bolth to notice that than it is for DBP imo
follows this by a vote on FG after being asked by MML to stick a vote sooner than later (EoD - 13m)
BOLTH MY GUY #927 votes leetic with a "I think leetic is scummier than psycho" and notices "has psycho even made 5 posts?"


MML
MML causing this clusterfuck and being proud of it looks bad. pushing the inactive lynch is expected from MML. Hell, I agree with it. but pushing it to the point of letting it consume thread and then being proud of that is not good.
#579 yessss GO MML way to focus on the right shit. call Xiz on that BS "big brain" move
#602 first player to move on past Xiz and take the mechanically correct step of accepting the claim and moving on, despite how easy it might have been to push Xiz further and call the claim fake. Follows up with #611 which puts MML at a high town read for making what he knew was the correct move mechanically but then being unable to move on past Xiz' weirdness and so asked to explain the reversal on dusk.
MML defending Ulle when there's some pressure on her from FG and then FFA/Xiz looks good on him in retrospect. Beyond that, #709 goes farther in analyzing *why* FG is pushing Ulle and attributes it to defending leetic. really liking MML at this point


Jessie
#805 jessie has had very few posts til this point. her posts contributing a relevant thought can be counted on one hand. this interaction struck me as odd for some reason so I'm including it here, starting with #805 to FG "What changed your mind?" wrt to unvoting Ulle (then "you do you, I guess" as an aside in response to FG's vote switch onto her) -> FG responds, "she won't be around" -> jess, "I mean I guess that’s okay for D0, but if you genuinely think someone is a wolf later on in the game, I don’t think them not being here for EOD should save them." -> FG, "I agree"

Part 1 lol I did what I said I wouldn't do and actually got lost in the thread reading it instead of skimming it. Glad I did though. I got a lot of background to the EoD that I never would've had the context for otherwise.
oh, bear in mind that the notes are fully chronological for each name and so if I start with "x town" for instance, it doesn't mean I think that way at the end.

Sorry for the complete lack of formatting and editing. I thought I'd be able to catch up by now and have time to proofread, but as it is you get a completely unedited rough dump of my thoughts and I'ma go play some hollow knight and try to process that EoD / SoD and the possible worlds stemming from them before sleeping.

[ShadoWolfe]

also y'all really did lynch psycho when she had less posts than the minimum.

I'm still confused as to how nobody raised an objection that she was below the post requirement. I mean, I'd be willing to wager someone in the scumteam figured it out but going through EoD nobody gave any indication of that so its impossible to read into

The only person who even brought up the requirement is Bolth, but that was as a question and it was like <5m to EoD

[Makilaz]

Vote Count:
4/28 @ 19:00

00:59 = GOOD
00:00 = BAD

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Xiz [1]
MixMasterLar

jessiebessie [1]
Hakulyte

ShadoWolfe [1]
flashflash account

Bolth mannn [1]
Xiz

flashflash account [1]
leetic

DaBackpack [1]
Bolth mannn

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

also y'all really did lynch psycho when she had less posts than the minimum.

I'm still confused as to how nobody raised an objection that she was below the post requirement. I mean, I'd be willing to wager someone in the scumteam figured it out but going through EoD nobody gave any indication of that so its impossible to read into

The only person who even brought up the requirement is Bolth, but that was as a question and it was like <5m to EoD

it crossed my mind, but I was too lazy to check min postcount and I don't have any problem with lynching a doomed slot from a game integrity pov

that being said, it's a lot better than the alternative wagon rn

[Duskfall]

can we leave the votes like this please

[Hakulyte]

ShadoWolfe's reads seems to align toward a Duskfall/Jessie/DBP team.

I was definitely aware of the postcount thing too. Similar conclusion as FFA.

[Bolth mannn]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

but is it pronounced bolT, bolTH, boTH, or BOAT??????MML

bolTH :P

MML causing this clusterfuck and being proud of it looks bad. pushing the inactive lynch is expected from MML. Hell, I agree with it. but pushing it to the point of letting it consume thread and then being proud of that is not good.
#579 yessss GO MML way to focus on the right shit. call Xiz on that BS "big brain" move
#602 first player to move on past Xiz and take the mechanically correct step of accepting the claim and moving on, despite how easy it might have been to push Xiz further and call the claim fake. Follows up with #611 which puts MML at a high town read for making what he knew was the correct move mechanically but then being unable to move on past Xiz' weirdness and so asked to explain the reversal on dusk.
MML defending Ulle when there's some pressure on her from FG and then FFA/Xiz looks good on him in retrospect. Beyond that, #709 goes farther in analyzing *why* FG is pushing Ulle and attributes it to defending leetic. really liking MML at this point

Isn't MML still trying to lynch Xiz though?

Still analysing everything else you've said but that stood out to me in particular