World of Warcraft

[ichliebekase]

Damn, Arthas has a high population. Might try it out, although my latency is bad as it is so I may go for a less-populated realm.

[E-Hooker]

Eh, I don't see many people.

Latency isn't too bad at all for me, maybe <100ms and gets up to 225 when traffic is heavy.

But meh, i'm looking for a new realm with people on it. :c

[D!LL]

Thunderlord is a pretty good server. Alliance Dominates PVE. There are a few guilds who have heroic 25 lich king on farm.

Horde isn't so bad. I know more horde players than I do alliance. The horde seem more chill and fun to play with.

Either way, the server's pretty solid on both sides.

Plus I'm going to be leveling a shaman (Horde) with a few of my friends so ya'll would have someone to level with.

And if you went alliance when you hit 42 i could level with ya'll on my druid.


Just a suggestion.

[E-Hooker]

I was gonna choose a realm last night but I fell asleep LOL.
I might go Dentarg or not, I have to ask my other friends where they play.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by D!LL

Come to me when you do 12k healing per second. =D

The fact that you actually look at "High HPS" as being indicative of being a good healer automatically loses any credibility you had.

[fido123]

Originally Posted by devonin

The fact that you actually look at "High HPS" as being indicative of being a good healer automatically loses any credibility you had.

Holy **** thank you this is one of the biggest things that urk me. Ever since WotLK WoWs been full of too many morons who think they know everything and judge everything off gear score. I was pulling 3rd highest DPS in a 25-Ony run and I got booted first cause my GS was the lowest. This is why I haven't played in almost a year and I'm just going to get Guild Wars 2 when it comes out next year.

[devonin]

I'm not talking about GearScore though obviously, while you can use GS as a filter for inviting people, once they're in, you should be using their actual production to decide if they stay around.

My issue is with HPS being used as a stat that has any actual meaning at all (Because it has none) I had someone tell me that they were clearly a better pally healer than I was because I pulled 7k HPS on Toravon, and when they did it on -their- pally healer, they pulled 7.5k HPS. The sheer ignorance of what that number means and how it is generated is absurd.

The ultimate goal for all healers should be as follows: "Generate the LOWEST HPS POSSIBLE without letting anybody die." High HPS is a sign of bad tanks, or stupid DPS, not a great healer.

[D!LL]

Originally Posted by devonin

The fact that you actually look at "High HPS" as being indicative of being a good healer automatically loses any credibility you had.

Really? Cause --... You know what...

Recount - Boys Brought to the Yard
1. My Milkshakes - 9001 (100%)
2. Your Milkshakes - 0 (0%)


S'all you need to know. ROFL.

Lets ignore the fact that that was ONE example of why I was a decent player. Obviously I don't do 12k hps EVERY fight. That's just an example of what I was capable of doing as a healer.

[fido123]

You're why I don't play WoW anymore

[D!LL]

Originally Posted by fido123

You're why I don't play WoW anymore

<----- Migh I direct you to my avatar?

[devonin]

It's an example of you being capable of spamming a big heal on undergeared tanks, or DPS who stand in fire. That's not necessarily speaking to your healing abilities at all.

HPS is not a stat that conveys information about skill. You have a maximum HPS you can generate based on your gear anyway. Take your best Healing:Time spell, spam it 100% of the time, non stop, pop all cooldowns. There, you've got a maximal HPS that has nothing at all to do with skill.

You also have to account for how LONG you can maintain that spamming. Some top tier boss fights are well over 6 minutes long, and if your mana runs out, it doesn't matter how much healing you can do in the first X minutes, when the later Y minutes have people dying.

Healing is one of the only aspects of the game that -doesn't- have a directly competitive metric of performance.

The ideal healing performance is 0% overheals, 0 deaths, and landing directly on 0 mana at the instant the boss dies and damage stops going out. All you can do is try to optimize for those numbers as best you can, but the game design is directly in opposition to that goal.

If the fight ends, and nobody is dead, your healers are doing their job. That's all there is to it.

Healing is a Threshold matter, not a Degree matter. The better the DPS's DPS the better it is to have them around, full stop. Once a healer gets to where they can get through the whole fight, without anybody dying, or running out of mana, everything past that is complete gravy.

"I didn't run out of mana and nobody died" is hit cap for healers.

[krunkykai22]

Originally Posted by devonin

It's an example of you being capable of spamming a big heal on undergeared tanks, or DPS who stand in fire. That's not necessarily speaking to your healing abilities at all.

HPS is not a stat that conveys information about skill. You have a maximum HPS you can generate based on your gear anyway. Take your best Healing:Time spell, spam it 100% of the time, non stop, pop all cooldowns. There, you've got a maximal HPS that has nothing at all to do with skill.

You also have to account for how LONG you can maintain that spamming. Some top tier boss fights are well over 6 minutes long, and if your mana runs out, it doesn't matter how much healing you can do in the first X minutes, when the later Y minutes have people dying.

Healing is one of the only aspects of the game that -doesn't- have a directly competitive metric of performance.

The ideal healing performance is 0% overheals, 0 deaths, and landing directly on 0 mana at the instant the boss dies and damage stops going out. All you can do is try to optimize for those numbers as best you can, but the game design is directly in opposition to that goal.

If the fight ends, and nobody is dead, your healers are doing their job. That's all there is to it.

Healing is a Threshold matter, not a Degree matter. The better the DPS's DPS the better it is to have them around, full stop. Once a healer gets to where they can get through the whole fight, without anybody dying, or running out of mana, everything past that is complete gravy.

"I didn't run out of mana and nobody died" is hit cap for healers.

You are my new best friend......... <33 hahaha

But, in all seriousness he's right. Gear Score nor HPS matter when your looking at recount or whatever. Let's say you have a tank that is 6150 gear score to one that is 5850. IF the 5850 isn't losing life as much and is dodging and parrying more than the 6150 thats going to make the healers job more easier. Lets say you'd do roughly 6k-8k HPS on him. The 6150 guy is losing life much quicker which would take your 12k HPS to probably keep him up compared to someone like the LK. What really matters most is how people can co-exist in teamwork. That's what it is. DPS has to stay out of fires and avoid any damage as much as possible, Tanks have to be defense capped at least 550 and have a good decent amount of life/dodge/parry and the healers need to exercise there rotation for Mana Regen so they don't run outta mana, positioning upon where you are staying so you don't get hit too much either by AoE damage or direct, and you need to watch your aggro ratio compared to the tanks. There is a lot for everyone, and NO ONE person is better than someone else regardless of Gear Score or anything. Everyone is their own person.

[devonin]

Well, defense cap was only 540, and now it's rolled into talents and isn't a stat, but yes the point still stands.

[krunkykai22]

Yeah, well i know that before 4.0 the cap was 550 .... that was a standard on any site I went on, but yes you could get away with it being 540 depending on class and stuff.

[devonin]

No, it -was- 540 full stop. 540 reduced the chance of being critically hit to 0%.

[WTFBrandon]

Just bought time, already fulled decked out with ICC10 heroic gear, and not interested in 25. We do it already do and I have some pieces in there but what im getting at is im bored with ICC.
What do I do now in WoW to waste time until Cata?

[NaturallyChanel]

Originally Posted by Gun92

World of Warcraft

All right. This is going to be the new World of Warcraft thread since I went to all the time to compile a list of everyone's information, this way I will be able to update it when ever something new has changed. And yes I do have mod approval on this one, so no need to lock this one.

Ground_Breaker
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Terokkar
                - Level 70 - Rogue              - Terokkar

silentoath
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Tanaris

Biff_tech
Gaamat          - Level 67 - Hunter             - Arthas
Rellena         - Level 59 - Death Knight       - Arthas

s0ulst0n3
Terya           - Level 70 - Druid   - Night Elf- Lightninghoof
Soulstone       - Level 63 - Warlock            - Lightninghoof
Zephyurs        - Level 70 - Druid   - Tauren   - Black Dragonflight
Zephyx          - Level 54 - Mage               - Black Dragonflight
(M)Derkon       - Level 70 - Rogue              - Black Dragonflight

Ahhimdead
Ahhimdead       - Level 70 - Priest  - Undead   - Tanaris

classicalrocker
                - Level 68 - Warlock            - Emerald Dream

Gun92
(M)Glorne       - Level 70 - Hunter  - Night Elf- Shandris
Glornee         - Level 65 - DK      - Night Elf- Shandris
Aubreyy         - Level 41 - Warlock - Gnome    - Shandris

Bendxtwoo
Yougotmauled    - Level 70 - Druid   - Tauren   - Zuluhed
Yougothunted    - Level 63 - Hunter  - Blood Elf- Zuluhed
Yougotshadow    - Level 40 - Priest  - Undead   - Zuluhed
Frostmenice     - Level 36 - Mage    - Undead   - Zuluhed
Hatermade       - Level 36 - Shaman  - Troll    - Zuluhed

Tokzic
Niiko           - Level 70 - Rogue              - Norgannon
Moruux          - Level 45 - Mage               - Dalvengyr
Interrobang                - Druid              - Pernolde

Mr.Nothing
                - Level 4  - Warrior - Tauren   - Maelstrom

dietsnapple135
                - Level 70 - Druid              - Thrall
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Thrall
                - Level 70 - Priest             - Thrall
                - Level 48 - Warlock            - Thrall

operationstrawbarry
                - Level 70 - Mage               - NerZhul
                - Level 80 - Hunter             - NerZhul
                - Level 52 - Paladin            - NerZhul

Wineandbread
                - Level 60 - Mage    - Undead

SephyxCore
                - Level 80 - Druid              - Auchindoun
                - Level 78 - Rogue              - Auchindoun
                - Level 66 - Death Knight       - Auchindoun
                - Level 74 - Paladin            - Tichondrious
                - Level 59 - Death Knight       - Tichondrious
                - Level 70 - Shaman             - Area-52
                - Level 55 - Death Knight       - Area-52
                - Level 71 - Priest             - Warsong
                - Level 55 - Death Knight       - Warsong

deadplayer
                - Level 70 - Mage

mightymic
                - Level 70 - Hunter             - Stonemaul

bmxant
                - Level 70 - Paladin
                - Level 70 - Priest
                - Level 70 - Hunter
                - Level 70 - Rogue

fido123
(M)Phirog       - Level 71 - Warlock - Undead   - Darrowmere
Celithus        - Level 48 - Paladin - Blood Elf- Darrowemere

foxyroxy2693
                - Level 40           - Night Elf

ImEric12 
                - Level 70 - Druid   - Night Elf- Thunderlord
                - Level 70 - Shaman  - Orc      - Arthas

DrKirth
                - Level 63 - Warrior - Human    - Cho'gall

ddr_dude
                - Level 70 - Paladin            - Demon Soul

Necamus
Deusregum       - Level 31 - Druid   - Tauren   - Malfurion
Necamus         - Level 13 - Warlock - Undead   - Malfurion
Bashent         - Level 18 - Mage    - Undead   - Malfurion
Sinden          - Level 24 - Warrior - Tauren   - Zul'jin
Drasarr         - Level 36 - Hunter  - Orc      - Zul'jin

missiekix_06
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Uldum
                - Level 70 - Warrior            - Uldum

Kevin 18
                - Level 70 - Paladin            - Altar of Storms
                             Warrior            - Kel'Thuzad
                             Druid              - Illidan
                             Mage               - Burning Blade
                             Hunter             - Detheroc
                             Warlock            - Detheroc

coaco 
                - Level 70 - Priest  - Dwarf    - Stormrage

1337h4xz0r
                - Level 60 - Rogue   - Night Elf- Ner'zhul
                - Level 70 - Warrior - Orc      - Spirestone
                - Level 66 - Paladin - Human    - Ner'zhul
                - Level 70 - Rogue   - Night Elf- Earthen Ring

Cursebred
                - Level 70 - Priest  - Blood Elf
                - Level 70 - Druid   - Night Elf
                - Level 43 - Mage    - Draenei
                - Level 30 - Paladin - Human
                - Level 20 - Shaman  - Tauren

devonin
Devonin         - Level 75 - Paladin - Human    - Mok'Nathal

ravenhexa
                - Level 70 - Druid   - Night Elf

ghount
                - Level 70 - Shaman  - Orc      - Gul'Dan

Arrio
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Ursin
                - Level 70 - Hunter             - Ursin
                - Level 70 - Warrior            - Ursin
                - Level 70 - Rogue x2           - Ursin
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Ursin
               (T)Level 60 - Shaman             - Ursin
               (T)Level 60 - Paladin            - Ursin

roundbox 
Zeromant        - Level 72 - Warlock - Undead   - Bronzebeard

Nubzpwnzer
Nitrix - Level 70 - Hunter
Level 70 - Priest

HeLlZaRmy89
Gravlin         - Level 62 - Rogue              - Auchindoin

passivegirl
                - Level 70 - Warrior
                - Level 70 - Priest

TakeHayashi XD
                - Level 19 - Shaman  - Tauren
                - Level 4  - Rogue   - Undead

sorakh275
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Fenris

TrojanMan
                - Level 70 - Druid   - Tauren
                - Level 70 - Mage    - Troll
                - Level 70 - Warrior - Tauren
                - Level 70 - Rogue   - Undead
                - Level 64 - Hunter  - Dwarf
                - Level 63 - Priest  - Dwarf
                - Level 61 - Warrior - Gnome
                - Level 52 - Warlock - Blood Elf
               (T)Level 49 - Mage    - Human
               (T)Level 49 - Paladin - Blood Elf
               (T)Level 39 - Warrior

Tonberry Kid
Tessel          - Level 70 - Warrior            - Llane
Facemace        - Level 70 - Paladin            - Gilneas

Myattboy
Level 70 - Warlock

MikeSugs
Necriss         - Level 70 - Paladin            - Eredar

Elzam
Tichodius       - Level 70 - Paladin            - Moonguard
Kesin           - Level 70 - Warrior            - Moonguard

darklordsarumon9
Upgrayeedd      - Level 70 - Mage               - Daggerspine
Elusive         - Level 33 - Rogue              - Daggerspine
Avistiff        - Level 65 - Mage               - Trollbane

bender5
Turroda         - Level 70 - Mage    - Human    - Stormrage

salenne
                - Level 70 - Paladin
                - Level 70 - Shaman

slayer62
                - Level 70 - Hunter             - Kargath

skorpion9x
                - Level 70 - Druid              - Blackhand
                - Level 70 - Paladin            - Dalaran
                - Level 53 - Hunter             - Khadgar

thechild
                - Level 43 - Shaman  - Orc      - Bronzebeard

Snowcrafta
Manstyle        - Level 70 - Mage
Henrietta       - Level 70 - Priest
Mingee          - Level 70 - Warrior
Juxie           - Level 70 - Hunter

Raigor
Fortuitous      - Level 70 - Druid   - Tauren   - Bonechewer
Raigor          - Level 70 - Warrior - Tauren   - Bonechewer
Mahambria       - Level 70 - Shaman  - Tauren   - Bonechewer

mr.mooman
                - Level 37 - Warlock            - Onyxia

Gano
                - Level 70 - Mage               - Frostmane

ELRayford
                - Level 14 - Warlock            - Kil'Jaeden

Casull
                - Level 70 - Warrior            - Terokkar

Kamalot2010
                - Level 70 - Warlock            - Skywall
                - Level 70 - Rogue              - Skywall

NFD
Cutters         - Level 27 - Paladin - Human
Artemidorus     - Level 6  - Warrior - Night Elf
Lucyinthesky    - Level 5  - Priest  - Human

DJRiDDeR
                - Level 70 - Warlock - Undead
                - Level 38 - Mage    - Undead
                - Level 13 - Warrior - Tauren

FallenXxRaven
Fallenraven     - Level 67 - Warlock - Undead   - Uldaman

Grandiagod
Illum           - Level 75 - Warrior            - Lightning's Blade
Switzer         - Level 72 - Priest             - Lightning's Blade
Rikon           - Level 70 - Warlock            - Lightning's Blade
Molrag          - Level 53 - Hunter             - Lightning's Blade

BigBoss37
Lorche          - Level 72 - Rogue               Thorium Brotherhood

Sullyman2007
                - Level 70 - Priest             - Drenden
                - Level 25 - Warrior            - Drenden

Where ever we left off in the last thread, pick it up here and lets start discussing an FFR WoW guild already, we need one of those. Ill keep track of that as well in this post. Ill go through and sort all the information out tomorrow when I wake up so its not as messy. And thank you to Dev for cleaning up the uber long list of people and players.

Well what server is most recurring throughout? We should use that one.

[BOSS_pjpaveloffga]

Originally Posted by NaturallyChanel

Well what server is most recurring throughout? We should use that one.

definitely gorgonnash we should use that one

[Darkbreezee]

lol still waiting cataclysm ...
I hate the translations for the german version, always a bunch of work to keep the english client tho ..>.>

[krunkykai22]

Honestly, I'm just leveling up toons til cata comes out. It's really boring. :/ I mean yeah I can use gear from ICC as such and I can still down the LK for the first time, but I really don't care about having the Kingslayer title... its just a raid that people can easily do with 7/8 people in friggin cata lol

Devonin... I checked up on it and before patch 3.3.3 it was 540 you were right, however it was bumped up due to some crap or what not to 550. I was talking to a friend who is a better DK knowledge than I do and that's what he told me.