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Old 03-15-2017, 06:47 PM   #1
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Default FFR Needs More/Better Beginner Songs

Stepcharting has come a long way in the last 12-14 years, but still a large percentage of our lower difficulty charts are dated and poorly stepped. A better mix of low difficulty songs may help newer players stick with the game.

I was looking at all the songs released in 2016, and the number of new charts in the 1-30 range was abysmal. Maybe we could have a 'Beginners Chart' special batch to improve the average quality of our lower difficulty range?
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:01 PM   #2
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Having played every file below difficulty 60 and having AAA every file below difficulty 40, I'd say that there's plenty of good beginner files.

What I would agree on, which may provide the perception expressed, is that there is many more poor filess in the lower difficulties than in the higher ones.

Thus far, I've actually found a lack of variety and suitable difficulty curve in the high 30s through low 50s to be the most problematic part of my climb thus far, which I've only just recently overcome.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:30 PM   #3
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I think notably there's a void in things like jacking and jumpstream for beginner level players, which makes transitioning into those kind of files at higher levels more difficult. Things like chords and such are pretty lacking at lower levels too.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:25 PM   #4
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:23 PM   #5
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Stepcharting has come a long way in the last 12-14 years, but still a large percentage of our lower difficulty charts are dated and poorly stepped. A better mix of low difficulty songs may help newer players stick with the game.

I was looking at all the songs released in 2016, and the number of new charts in the 1-30 range was abysmal. Maybe we could have a 'Beginners Chart' special batch to improve the average quality of our lower difficulty range?
That'd be really fun to be honest.

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Having played every chart below difficulty 60 and having AAA every chart below difficulty 40, I'd say that there's plenty of good beginner maps.

What I would agree on, which may provide the perception expressed, is that there is many more poor maps in the lower difficulties than in the higher ones.

Thus far, I've actually found a lack of variety and suitable difficulty curve in the high 30s through low 50s to be the most problematic part of my climb thus far, which I've only just recently overcome.
They're not maps. Yes I'm being that guy.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:25 PM   #6
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I think notably there's a void in things like jacking and jumpstream for beginner level players, which makes transitioning into those kind of files at higher levels more difficult. Things like chords and such are pretty lacking at lower levels too.
Someone get me permission for my Highscore file and I'll convert it down to be easier /toolazytodoitmyself
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:27 PM   #7
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Someone get me permission for my Highscore file and I'll convert it down to be easier /toolazytodoitmyself
tbh your highscore file is one of my all time favourites I hope it gets put in
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:48 AM   #8
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They're not maps. Yes I'm being that guy.
"File"

Chart is not correct either, while we're at it.

I should honestly just start calling them something new.

Levels. I'm calling them levels now and you can't stop me.
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Old 03-16-2017, 01:08 AM   #9
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Man we're really lacking beginner zones in this game.

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Old 03-16-2017, 01:10 AM   #10
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tbh your highscore file is one of my all time favourites I hope it gets put in
Guess I need to seek permision now.
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:49 PM   #11
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"File"

Chart is not correct either, while we're at it.

I should honestly just start calling them something new.

Levels. I'm calling them levels now and you can't stop me.
stepfile (file) and stepchart (chart) are both correct. Beatmap (map) is from osu and get that trash out of here.

As for there being more/better beginner files. Yeah, it would definitely help to keep new users if there was more variety as well as higher quality stuff in the lower range. Legacy genre continues to causes newbs to "wtf is this shitty game".
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:56 PM   #12
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stepfile (file) and stepchart (chart) are both correct. Beatmap (map) is from osu and get that trash out of here.
"Chart" isn't correct within the canon of FFR, "file" only be acceptable as "stepfile" appears in the info box for levels. If we accept "chart", as a loan from stepmania all we have is light-hearted (or not so light-hearted, whatever the case) circle jerking against osu! to save us from "map" (I must unfortunately have some respect for osu!, as MWC is literally the only reason I'm here right now). That being said "level" is entirely correct because the song swfs are named "level_<id>.swf"
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:00 PM   #13
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making easy charts is boring so people rush them and thats why most are garbage. or people pick boring songs to step which also makes them garbage.
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:07 PM   #14
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@Soundwave- I'm ok with circle jerks as long as someone's giving me a hand
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:17 PM   #15
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I think a better engine is the solution

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Old 03-16-2017, 10:18 PM   #16
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I'd step some but ddream crashes everytime I try to open a new song so nope
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:23 PM   #17
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Everyone says there needs to be more easier songs but who's willing to do it?
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:39 PM   #18
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gxNW2Ulpwk
this would be a cool easy song to step.
just end it at like 2:00

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Old 03-17-2017, 02:09 AM   #19
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<noice song>
See the problem is if I were to step this I'd be tempted to get a little like jumpstreamy thing going with the drums and then get some layering in there. It wouldn't end up hard per se but it would certainly be harder than the target range here. I'd hesitate to call it beginner.

I'm almost tempted to compose a song or two. Good beginner files need simple and concise song to go with it. Anything less feels undercharted and while a beginner might not 100% get that concept having not played a completely charted song it's definitely something that you can feel.
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See the problem is if I were to step this I'd be tempted to get a little like jumpstreamy thing going with the drums and then get some layering in there. It wouldn't end up hard per se but it would certainly be harder than the target range here. I'd hesitate to call it beginner.
You can do multiple difficulties if you vary it enough structure wise.

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Good beginner files need simple and concise song to go with it. Anything less feels understepped and while a beginner might not 100% get that concept having not played a completely stepped song it's definitely something that you can feel.
But then all the files blend together in an uninteresting training wheel bubble. I think intentionally undercharting songs works really well when done right.

Think say, My Little Pony Medley [Standard] as a really good example of simplifying a file and doing it cleanly and fun. It's more difficult counterpart is still really damn fun too.

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