Old 10-24-2006, 06:05 PM   #81
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And then you have the paradox of something infinitely small not existing at all.
so, uhh

this would mean that the difference between .9... and 1 would be infinitely small, which would mean there is no difference between the two, right?
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:38 PM   #82
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For the same reason that it's impossible to objectively prove something, it's also impossible to objectively disprove something.
Not really. All you need in order to disprove something is to find an instance in which it is not true.

I can easily disprove the statement "All fish are green" by finding a single fish that is not green. But in order to prove the statement, I would have to find every single fish in existence and verify that all of them are green, which is essentially impossible, since you have no way of knowing whether you missed a fish somewhere.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:45 PM   #83
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Define "green" objectively.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:47 PM   #84
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Please dont do this or I will end up saying something that will get me yet another two week ban. Some kid went on a tangent with the same "HOW DO WE KNOW GRASS IS GREEN" type arguement. Its a stupid angle to play so please stop befiheroihasoi.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:50 PM   #85
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Seriously, how do we know that grass is green and that it's not a mass hallucination that makes grass appear green?

Also, there is no such thing as green anyway. What we know as green is just our mind interpretting information received from our eyes.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:51 PM   #86
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Green is a certain wavelength of light. It is a name for a color that appears when that wavelength is bounced off of a surface.

Welcome to science.

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Old 10-24-2006, 06:53 PM   #87
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Ok note Sir_Thomas is at my house so we are on the same computer so please dont ban him for what im going to say,ban me. HOW TO PROVE SOMETHING IS REAL CAN YOU TOUCH IT AND SEE IT? YES ITS REAL. GODDAMN YA RETARD AND GREEN IS A COLOR PLEASE DONT SIT HERE SMOKE POT THEN GO "MAN GREEN IS NOW RED MAN" ITS RETARDED LIKE YOU!!!!!! ALSO DEFINE "PENIS" IS A "PENIS" REAL?YES,THATS A EXAMPLE OF HOW DUMB YOU ARE. PLEASE SAVE ME AND ANYONE WITH A BRAIN THE TROUBLE AND KILL YOURSLEF NOW. AND ONE FINAL THING

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Old 10-24-2006, 06:56 PM   #88
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Green is a certain wavelength of light. It is a name for a color that appears when that wavelength is bounced off of a surface.

Welcome to science.

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Reality is built entirely on human perceptions and human based definitions.

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Old 10-24-2006, 06:58 PM   #89
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Seriously, how do we know that grass is green and that it's not a mass hallucination that makes grass appear green?

Also, there is no such thing as green anyway. What we know as green is just our mind interpretting information received from our eyes.

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If we see the color green due to a mass halucination, the grass is still green, and is still defined as green. Now the definition would change a bit, what the definition is defining wouldnt.

Instead of it being defined as green due to how the retina recieves the light it would be "GRASS IS GREEN DUE TO HALUCINATIONS HUR HUR'. But the grass would still be green non teh less. The how changes just not the what.
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so, uhh

this would mean that the difference between .9... and 1 would be infinitely small, which would mean there is no difference between the two, right?
Correct !!!


And uh yea, noone takes seriously unpractical proofs and philosophical nonsense . They're ok for debate, but it'll never mean anything. Science is practical, science has gotten us places. Obviously there is practical face value to using scientific method as your proof as far as the human race is concerned.
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the only reason why you wouldn't disprove it is because assigning numbers different values goes outside of what is generally accepted in math.
Assigning numbers different values means that you have to change the proof you are disproving as well. What you do to one part of any equation, you ust do the same to the other part. Luckily, you gave a total of three numbers values, so it is possible to solve.

Meaning, if you say 2 is a variable that gets the value of 1.5, then your proof would change to 3/2 + 3/2 = 4. This isnt the only way to say it, but it would be true. And as you can see, that would be impossible to disprove, without changing the numbers again.

However, Assigning numbers different values is a complex situation. It's not generally thought of because it isn't a good thinking style.

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1) Could someone inform me of how we know that everyone's brain interprets the color green the same way?
2) Could someone please not call us "Goddamned retards" when they type like a five year old in a critical thinking forum?
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Assigning numbers different values means that you have to change the proof you are disproving as well. What you do to one part of any equation, you ust do the same to the other part. Luckily, you gave a total of three numbers values, so it is possible to solve.

Meaning, if you say 2 is a variable that gets the value of 1.5, then your proof would change to 3/2 + 3/2 = 4. This isnt the only way to say it, but it would be true. And as you can see, that would be impossible to disprove, without changing the numbers again.

However, Assigning numbers different values is a complex situation. It's not generally thought of because it isn't a good thinking style.
If the numbers were defined as variables, then they wouldn't be qualified as numbers.
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For the same reason that it's impossible to objectively prove something, it's also impossible to objectively disprove something.
So, what Afrobean is trying to say is that what we as people know as green could actually be known to the universe as... muave or some other color? In other words, we can't define green because green may not be universally known as green.

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So, what Afrobean is trying to say is that what we as people know as green could actually be known to the universe as... muave or some other color? In other words, we can't define green because green may not be universally known as green.
Something like that I suppose.
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