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Old 08-30-2006, 11:08 AM   #21
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Like the word Jew, it was a word to signify people who were practicing the religion of Judaism and it was meant to degrade those people during WW2.
Uh, wrong. Jewish people called each other Jews back then. The derogatory word for a Jew is "kike".
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:39 PM   #22
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_N-WORD

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Old 08-30-2006, 01:46 PM   #23
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Talisman, it is because people give it so much power that as many people find it offensive. If the definition is less limited and the word is used more often, the word will become less offensive. The word "***" has been thrown around a lot in the discussion, but it really is a good example of what I'm talking about. As the word became used as more of a general insult than as a literal claim of homosexuality, the word lost much of its offensiveness. Of course, there will always be people who are offended easily (some people are offended by the idea of a couple living together without being married), but those aren't the people we should be worried about. We should be worried about offending the average person, not the extremists.

In short: you're offended by the word's use because you want to be. You want the word to have much power, because in saying the word is taboo, you give it the most power of any word. To ignore taboos and use the word as any other word would remove its power to offend so greatly, and possibly over time, all of its offensiveness (or really, most of it...).
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:28 PM   #24
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INTERNET is where all the tards meet.
It would be the best if we don't included any possibly offensive/swearing in our post so you don't have to worry about people sueing you for that. In a site getting a million page views a day you should have expected there maybe some super sensitive human being that(who) can find anything offensive and willing to use millions to sue you to hell, though the chance is low.
Relating the word and racism every single time it's mentioned sounds dumb, but don't forget the law is dumb too.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:30 PM   #25
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There is freedom of speech on the internet, linus. I've never heard of someone winning a case where someone won money because of an offensive word on the internet.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:33 PM   #26
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INTERNET is where all the tards meet.
It would be the best if we don't included any possibly offensive/swearing in our post so you don't have to worry about people sueing you for that. In a site getting a million page views a day you should have expected there maybe some super sensitive human being that(who) can find anything offensive and willing to use millions to sue you to hell, though the chance is low.
Relating the word and racism every single time it's mentioned sounds dumb, but don't forget the law is dumb too.
Linus, this is a thread about the word, not about the site in general. I am not going to drag this off topic but you cannot sue based on offensive words on a site or a book. While moderation does not, the site does fall under free speech as a whole.

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Old 08-30-2006, 02:52 PM   #27
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So the word is only possible offensive when spoken out? Then I don't comprehend why you have to ban the word but I'll stop questioning it here.

But then Afro had sum it up. "You're offended by the word's use because you want to be." I'm out of this thread =p
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:44 PM   #28
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That's ridiculous. I don't "want" to be offended by it. It would be more accurate to say I don't "want" to accept it. And I won't accept it's use, nor use it.

And isn't it easier to not say the word instead of saying it so much that the meaning disappears? Both ways the offensiveness ends up disappearing.
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:05 PM   #29
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What does Grease have to do with race?

Also, to address talisman's worry for humanity, don't give yourself the headache. The opinions expressed by people who post on internet message boards is nowhere near the majority when it comes to real life society.
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Old 08-31-2006, 03:29 PM   #30
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And isn't it easier to not say the word instead of saying it so much that the meaning disappears? Both ways the offensiveness ends up disappearing.
Um...

no.

When you make a word taboo, you give that word more power. To say "NO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WORD" it just makes the word that much more offensive when someone actually says it.
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no.

When you make a word taboo, you give that word more power. To say "NO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WORD" it just makes the word that much more offensive when someone actually says it.
Besides, even if you manage to make a word taboo, wouldn't there be another word to replace it? I don't think the meaning will disappear in one word. It will probably take on another form. And if you keep tabooing these words... well... eventually there's no point in speaking because EVERYTHING will be tabooed, right?
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Old 08-31-2006, 09:53 PM   #32
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when someone actually says it.
That's why no one should ever say it.

And obviously it's ridiculous to assume that everyone will stop saying it, but it's equally ridiculous to assume that everyone will stop being offended by it.

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eventually there's no point in speaking because EVERYTHING will be tabooed, right?
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Old 09-1-2006, 12:31 AM   #33
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That's why no one should ever say it.
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And obviously it's ridiculous to assume that everyone will stop saying it, but it's equally ridiculous to assume that everyone will stop being offended by it.
Yeah, but the freedom of speech is on the side of people wanting to use it, so it's best if people were to simply not be offended by it, rather than trying to force others to not use it.

And honestly, I would be offended if someone used the term seriously against a black person. In fact, I'd be offended if anyone wasn't offended by that. That's not the type of use I'm supporting though. I'm supporting its use as a joke/general insult against anyone regardless of race.

Really, I feel that people should have a sense of humor about things. Just because the word was used hatefully in the past doesn't mean we should maintain its power to offend.
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Old 09-1-2006, 05:34 AM   #34
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hay guys let's travel through time
don't worry there won't be a paradox if nobody causes one
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Old 09-1-2006, 10:06 AM   #35
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Yeah, but the freedom of speech is on the side of people wanting to use it, so it's best if people were to simply not be offended by it, rather than trying to force others to not use it.
Free Speech only goes as far as not stepping on the rights of others.

If people get offended by hearing the word, free speech doesn't apply. You're the one who the law will force change onto, not them.
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Old 09-1-2006, 08:54 PM   #36
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afro I'm not saying there should be some sort of law where people aren't allowed to say it... people CAN say it... I'm just saying that they SHOULDN'T.
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Old 09-1-2006, 08:58 PM   #37
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I think Chrissi was the one who said it.

"I like to be offended everyday just to be reminded of the fact that I don't control what other people think."

Anyway, I'm growing tired of this circular discussion.
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