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Old 12-14-2003, 10:41 PM   #1
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Here discuss whether you believe the landing on the moon videos are true/fake and whethe you believe aliens do really exist or are we aliens to an outer species that think were the outer species...


Well I had some theories that we were like a snow globe. Our "creators" who put us on this earth was but a mere snow globe to them but were like rats on they're planet,just experimenting with them to see how the Coop with temperature and see if we are truly worth looking further research into.

Also a little off topic....We can discuss also Viruses that infect computers daily. I talked to one of my buddies at LCI ( La Central Infomatique ) he says that it's the large distributors of Anti-Viruses want us to buy theyre products just so they can make money,so they send out viruses purposely.


And also....Diseases...My friend came up with this startling theory that the government isn't as innocent as it seems to be.

They have massive labs and technicians and scientists coming up with new viruses every day/year and so on and they are thrown out into the world simply for examination. You hear about someone dieing or countries being killed by plagues and diseases every single day BUT!!!!!

DO WE EVER HEAR ABOUT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT SUFFERING FROM CANCER/LUPOS/ and many many many other deadly diseases?!?!?! NO WE FUCKEN DONT! So that raises lots of brows....


WHATS YOUR OPINION ON THESE!???????
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NEWSFLASH! IT IS FAR FROM INNOCENT. AND IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE, YOU OBVIOUSLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SURVIVE IN THE REAL WORLD.

I do believe that there is a possiblity that life exists on other planets.

I believe that the Apollo landings were real...although, there are extreme amounts of evidence that say otherwise. (Russia was way more advanced in the Space Race but a few years.) http://clinton.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.../frameset.html

I have many conspriacy ideas..but I do not feel like explaining them now.
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lol jewpin, like the sun which is oh so evil?
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I have many conspriacy ideas..but I do not feel like explaining them now.
[chants]do it do it do it[/chants]

as far as the moon landing, i personally think it was real... though our government is really messed up and was capable of making all that crap up. i saw a special on the moon landing once, dont remember much about it though. oh well.
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Hmm . . Ihave a lot of different theories on things like basic existance, God, other gods, Atlantis, aliens, etc . . . fun fun Ooh, and I wrote a paper on how the world is Hollow Yeah!

Okay, this may be a long post, you're warned. Or it may be short, depending on how lethargic I feel. Remember: Lethargy is a virtue. Live it.

Right, well, the first thing, about the moon. I've read articles disproving the proofs proving that we didn't land on the moon. But I don't think they discounted them in a satisfactory manner. Therefore, I believe that there is enough evidence to at least cast doubt.

Creation . . whoo . . . This is gonna take a while. Keep in mind that I don't believe any of these things that I'm about to say. They're just things I've thought of. I might end up believeing one eventually, but idk . . .
Anyway. Thought: Aliens exist, and have been to our planet, yay! They've been visiting since the beginning, possibly starting life. this explains: Pictures dating from stone-age cave drawings to renaissance-era pictures depicting UFO's. Also explains: Ezekiel's "living creature," virgin birth (artificial insemination) miraculous happenings(prehistoric ones, that is), many of the traits to the pantheon of non-Judeo-Christian gods.
Thought: Our thoughts are not our own. What we imagine, such as scenarios, places, etc that have not happened, or that we did not see happen are really things that HAVE happend, just not on this plane.
Or: Our imaginings caus things to happen, whether they happen here, or not is determined by the natural laws that have been established for this plane. I think I may have said this on another post, but oh well.
Thought: Kinda like the MAtrix thing. When we die, we go to Heaven. Or hell. Wherever we think we're going to go, we go to. If we believe we're going to a land made of asparagus, that's what happens. After we die, our mind goes to wherever they think they deserve to go in the afterlife as dictatedby their religion, if any. So, it can follow that this existance is merely someone's death. Of course, it's mine, seeing as to how I know I exist. You may all exist only in my death's mind. But if you know that you exist as more than just an imagining, then that means this isn't a death. But how will I know that you are more than an imagining?
There, now that wasn't so long, was it?

I've heard that theory about viruses and the anti-virus companies. Amusing.

I hate to break it to you, Robby, but your friend didn't "come up" with that theory, that's a pretty tried-and-true conspiracy that anyone who follows them should have read a bit about.

The earth is hollow!! OR so some might have you believe. I wrote a paper on it for English. I can post it if anyone wants to read it.

Again, I don't really believe any of the above. Maybe a bit, but not so much . . idk.
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Yes, post your paper.
I want to know why the earth is hollow.
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Okee, well, I may not be able to until tomorrow. I may have a copy on my comp, or it might be on the school's network, so . . I'll look for it.
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Ah I found it. That was fast Sorry if anyone happens to be from Africa. Here it is:

Since childhood, there are things that we are taught, and as children, we
accept them without question. Things like the earth being round, or Africa. We
may not have been to Africa, but we’re told that it’s there, and we are shown
pictures. But who’s to say that it doesn’t exist? For all we know it may not.
That’s much like the structure of the earth. Science has told us that due to
testing with seismic waves, we can be assured that our planet is made up of
several different layers of rock in varying state of solidity. But here is one
case where you shouldn’t always believe what science tells you. It is my
postulation that the earth is not a solid sphere, but rather, is hollow in some
way shape or form. But before this theory can be declared true or false, it
must be made clear that there are several variants on the hollow earth theory.
In 1692, Edmund Halley, of whom the comet is a namesake, proposed his own
theory about he structure of the earth during his studies of its magnetic
fields. In his model, the earth is composed of some four spheres, each with its
own magnetic field, and the interplay between these fields is what causes the
variants in the field seen on our level of the earth. He also went on to say
that it is possible that these other spheres supported life, and had a luminous
atmosphere. It was gases in these atmospheres which seeped through thin crusts
at the poles, causing the aurora borealis, and australis.
Later, mathematician Leonhard Euler, after which the Euler Circuit and Path are
named, proposed that the earth is one large hollow sphere, containing one 600
mile diameter sun, providing heat and light for an advanced people or peoples
that lived there. A second mathematician, Sir John Leslie, said that the
interior housed two suns, which he named Pluto and Prosperine.
Another mathematician, John Symmes added onto Euler’s theory by stating that
there were two holes, one at each pole, through which one would be able to reach
the interior of the planet. His idea was so popular so as ti name the holes
after him, Symmes Holes, and is also the most commonly held view on the anatomy
of the hollow earth.
Although not always recognized as a hollow earth theory, the thought that there
may be subterranean caves supporting animal life seems fairly plausible. As
described in the book “Journey to the Center of the Earth,” by Jules Verne, this
variant of the hollow earth would have many large caverns that are
interconnected by tunnels, both natural and, some say, man-made. These large
caves would support an abundance of flora and fauna, and be lit by luminous
gases.
The most outlandish theory, however, came also in the late 1800's. Cyrus Teed
stated that rather than the outside, we in fact live on the inside of the
planet, and in the center hovers the sun. One side dark, the other light. As
it spins, it gives an appearance of sunrise and sunset. This theory, however,
died rather quickly.
Often coupled with these theories of the hollow earth are other things that are
often dismissed as purely flights of fancy. One of the most notable ties in
with Nazi Germany near the end of WWII. Adolf Hitler sent a small expedition to
north in an effort to find out more. They attempted to take pictures of a small
fleet of British ships which were supposed to be anchored on what would be the
other side of the Symmes Hole at the pole. However, their attempts failed
seeing as to the fact that the hole is too far to see to the other side without
the aid of fairly powerful telescopes.
It has also been said that a master race lives in the center. Be it the
“original” inhabitants of this planet, aliens, or even the survivors of
Atlantis. Also connected are UFOs which are often said to be the vehicles of
the aforementioned races.
All of these facts may be a little bit much to take at once, but it is not
without backing.
In the year of 1926, Admiral Richard Byrd became the first to fly over the
north pole, and also gave some of the greatest evidence for an earth with a
Euler-type anatomy.
As records, Byrd broadcast all he saw over the radio, and kept a short journal,
detailing what he saw. At the time, the only radio systems available would
broadcast for all to hear, so those fortunate to be tuned in were in for quite a
shock. These few people did confirm his stories, however they are now unable to
speak of what they heard that night.
What they heard is quite astounding. In the course of his remarks, such things
were described which would be enough to amaze anyone. He spoke first of the
general terrain. What was supposed to be naught but ice and snow, he gradually
began to find green grass. By this point, it is assumed that he has unknowingly
entered through the Symmes Hole and is inside the earth, because next he sees
something out of pre-history books. Below him was an animal, resembling an
elephant. Upon a slightly longer and closer inspection, he found it to be a
mastodon. The finding of this creature explains how carcasses have been found
having fresh food inside their mouths and stomachs. Here, and excerpt from his
log:1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to
better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight
knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We
make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind
below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This
is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take
binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a
mammoth-like ani mal! Report this to base camp.
This, and other entries and broadcasts have been verified by those who had
their radios listening in. However, as stated earlier, they were instructed to
never speak of what was heard.
This leads up to the next topic, that of knowledge, or rather, a lack of it.
Although it may be deemed laughable, here is an appropriate time to cry
“Conspiracy!” As previously mentioned, those who heard the recant of the sights
during the Byrd expedition were given explicit instructions to keep quiet.
Although that alone doesn’t necessarily mean government conspiracy, it is a good
indication that something is going on. But when you add in other factors, you
may find it rather hard to discount it all as mere conspiracy theories. For
example, it is now virtually impossible to reach the pole. Air traffic there is
not allowed, neither are private expeditions. Despite the fact that no country
has that space claimed, our government does not allow any sort of travel over or
to the pole.
Why, then, would they do such a thing if they weren’t hiding anything?
Possibly to protect the safety of civilians? Regardless of precautions,
supplies, and investments, there is no room for leeway. No, safety is not the
case. Surely there are more pressing things that we need to be protected from
than an area that can allow us to reap great geological benefits. It would seem
that the danger would be just as great if one were to travel to remote regions
of Alaska, yet these are not restricted. It would seem that there is something,
then, that must be there.
Besides restrictions at the poles, there are also restrictions We have not only
testimony and blatant cover up to help prove, we have photos.
These photos show a large dark hole in the northern reaches of our planet.
Surely, this is enough to show. However, the opposition in the form of science
claims that these are merely areas were the sun never shines, therefore they are
black. That does not explain it well enough, however. IF it were really just where the sun did not shine, there would still be light there to some degree due to the dispersal of the rays.
There may then be cries of forgery, easy to do in these days of computers. But
if you are to say that these photos are faked, then what is to say that the ones
shown that have no hole aren’t faked? If there was a cover-up as mentioned,
then it would be in the best interest of the involved parties to doctor the
photos and spread them around. Neither of these can be conclusively proven,
though, unless we are able to ourselves check the validity of either side by a
complete and thorough search of both poles.
There are some who say that no such expenditure of resources is needed, because
proof of the theory of the hollow earth’s fallacies are everywhere. There are
those trips to the poles that didn’t include any mention of a hole. But these
expeditions usually just went until their compasses told them that they were at
the north pole, then they turned around and went home. The others who are there
for scientific reasons are there by will of the government, being on a federal
bill, and therefore kept on a nice tight leash.
Next, is the comment on magnetic fields. If there were no molten inner core,
there would be no magnetic field. But with Halley’s version, with the various
spheres inside of each other, it may be possible to create a magnetic field,
depending on the elements in each particular sphere. Also, it could account for
the variants in the field from time to time.
Lastly, there have been seismic tests that show that the innards of our planet
is made up of layers. But if using the Jules Verne-themed earth, then it can be
quite possible that the layers are still there, but the holes exist. The
seismic waves would presumably disappear when faced with a large cavern, and the
geologists were not looking for holes, so if the waves disappeared, they would
most likely just try a slightly different wave or angle to try and pass through.
Or even if the earth were to be composed as Euler proposed, then the layers
could still exist, but not as thick or as many, given the more limited space
allowed between the crust on the outside and the inside. Also, to factor in
layers with Euler’s version, then the space and the sun inside of the earth
would have to be considerably smaller, to make room for the extra mass.
To conclude, the earth is, in some manner, hollow. Possibly the best variant
of this is the variant likened to Jules Verne’s book. It is able to support
most all of the scientific evidence while still fitting the criteria for being a
hollow earth. Hopefully, now that you have been armed with more informatioin, next time someone tells you about Africa, you'll have the sense of mind to doubt them.
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Wow, interesting paper.
Much of that made me think.
...I think I have to journey to Africa now just to make sure it's there! Heh heh.
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Robby, you seriously couldn't have focused on one topic? From that post I can see religion, creation, conspiracy, space travel, moon landing, colinization, and the government discussions spawning, with everybody talking about different things at once. But since its already started, and the creationism is being discussed in 'Interesting Indeed', I'll go with the conspiracy theme.

Obviously the government isn't as innocent as they claim. They have black ops agents, 'splinter cells' if you will, to carry out assassinations and do their dirty work. The US is the most hyprocritical nation in the world, in that we claim to be high and mighty, yet we use the same tactics as terrorrists. We have nuclear weapons, we have biochemical weapons, but the government doesn't want the general public to know (you can probably deduce why).

Also, freedom of speech is a lost trend, which is obvious. But sometimes I wonder if the newspapers arn't totally controlled by the government. I mean, maybe we've committed hate crimes and cruel and unusual punishments on other countries, and what Iraq and all those countries say about us are true. Maybe we just don't know about it becase the government is keeping the newspapers to hush-hush. WE DON'T KNOW, DAMMIT!!!

*Gets gagged and dragged away by 10 Splinter Cells*
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hate to break it to you, Robby, but your friend didn't "come up" with that theory
Oh I know but he also never heard of it...he had thought of it one day and then found out only later that it has already been talked about..this friend of mine is quite strange...only if we were still talking to this day...he'd freak you out so bad with what he knows and thinks.....
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yay my turn.... just had to say it. ok well here my spin on the world.

1. i do believe in aliens and all that crap. because it seems like way too much space for just us. But, if the big bang theory is right, and the chemicals that started life HAD just coincedentally mixed together, then matbe we are the only ones.Think about it, what are the odds of that shit happening. just the right amount of just the right chemicals, and poof, life. plus, then you think about, how a living creature was created, like a plant. no single element nor compund does waht a lifeform does.How did it start. how did awarness start, when did it begin. then you think about the basic elements, thake carbon for example, we are mostly carbon. yet carbon is best known for its gasious state, but are bodies are hotter than the air. so why doesnt the carbon sublime? if it is bonded with something else, the bond would break and it would evaporate.

All of life requires the macroelements C, H, O, N, P, etc., as well as a set of trace elements including Fe, Mg, and others (Fig. 1.1). These provide for a diverse set of functions including structure (such as C, H, and O in cellulose fibers), oxidation-reduction (such as Fe as a cofactor in enzymes), and others. Take humans as an example. The concentrations of at least 22 elements in humans have been determined; these range in total amount in a typical live individual from 35 kg to 1 mg. From information on the quantities of individual elements, we can calculate the stoichiometric formula for a living human being to be

H375,000,000 O132,000,000 C85,700,000 N6,430,000 Ca1,500,000 P1,020,000 S206,000
Na183,000 K177,000 Cl127,000Mg40,000 Si38,600 Fe2,680 Zn2,110 Cu76I14 Mn13

F13 Cr7 Se4 Mo3 Co1

(sorry, the formula doesn't fit well in this).

That is, there are about 375 million H atoms for every Co atom in your body.This formula combines all compounds in a human being into a single abstract "molecule." This formula sets the value of the scarcest substance (cobalt, mass in humans 3 1 mg) equal to a stoichiometric coefficient of 1 and shows relative amounts, not absolute ones.

so, with all of the above, soesn't it seem really odd that it just "happened"? But then again, so does an "ultimate being" the odds of that are just as scarce.

2.yeah, we all know that the gov'y does some really shady stuff, i too believe in splinter cells, but every gov't has them(in most 2nd,1st world countries).

3.releasing viruses into the world is the easiest way to create a demand for your software. it's sneakiy and wrong, but it is dine by many companies.

4. Africa does not exist, neither does the middle east. i walked for 15 min and couldn't find either of them, thus they don't exist.

5. oh yeah, ever since the creation of fort nox(forgot how it is spelled), EVERY call is monitored, if one of the numerous "trigger words" is spoken, the call is saved in the files, departments revue it, and the n they decide wether or not it is a threat.

ok, this is an awsome thread ^_^
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damn it logged me out again before i finished thinking/typing. FUCK!!!! i hate that!!!
all well, atleast i know it was me.(see above quote it's mine!!!) ^_^
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ok, this is an awsome thread ^_^
Why thank you very much,Thanks for your imput...Even though I dont quite understand your formula and compounds and molecules cause im simply dumb with that type of stuff I still know what your getting at...
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omg i just typed a shit load and it got deleted.....here i go again.

If you think the lunar landing was fake, your a retard. go learn something about astrophysics.

''OMFG IT WAS FAKE OLOLO I WAS AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER AND I SAW THE LUNAR LANDER AND EVERYTHING BUT ITS FAKE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LIVE AND PEOpLE SAW THE WHOLE THING HAPPEN AND YEARS OF PREP WENT INTO IT LOL THEY FAKED IT OLO THEY WENT UP INTO SPACE AND LIKE FLOATED AROUND WITH ALL THE SHIT THEY NEEDED CUZ THEY WUZ CHICKEN!!!! I AM SMRT''

Their claims are retarded. The stuff in the pictures IS SUPOST TO HAPPEN IN SPACE, they're just stupid.

As for aliens....maybe. Well, yea, i'd say yes. The universe is so big i can't even imagine.

As for them coming here......MAYBE. If we take a look at something like.....the pyramids. They moved all those stones? We can't even lift them with our biggest equiptment? How'd they get one 700 feet up? You forced a million people to pull it up there for some guy thats gonna die like way before it will be done? You can pull those through the sand? You got them up over other blocks....er.......with those 1337 log skills ololo and big huge muscles eh.

Possibly aliens? Considering the inside of the pyramids are full of weird pictures of people worshiping these weird dudes.

So yea....the only thing that makes me think, is how they would have got here. Considering traveling at aprox. 300x the speed of light, it would take almost a lifetime just to EXIT THE GALIXY....unless of course the aliens live alot closer than that.
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i think people did land on the moon.....but tey were the pizza peope from planet Hugo......they look like pizza and have incredibly large left biceps

They landed on their nd were taping them all...."whoa they look like pizza"

So we edited the video to neil armstrong after he payed us 87 dollars canadian

Im telling you thats the truth
No Im kidding

i think it is a load of crap
the thing that he guy did in Apollo 13 with his thumb gave it away

it was so stupid

if they did land on the moon.....they would be like exploring it now ad have trips there for incredibly rich people
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If you think the lunar landing was fake, your a retard. go learn something about astrophysics
Ya well your pretty retarded if you havn't seen all those documentaries this one man had on T.V a while back. He examined the video footage and the moon landing and everything and is 100% positive that they faked the whole thing...Except for the real launch of course which was probably real but he said at that time and they're technology the only chance of getting to the moon was the russians...he even said at that time that those white "spacesuits" were bullshit and not good enough to keep you alive in space.

So ya try reviewing some of his work on the net you might say otherwise afterwards.
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Ok... this is gonna take a while, i have an opionion on all of these.

The moon:
I do belive it was real, it was a big thing in history and i feel hard to fake, i mean they came back with rocks and samples, what did they do while they were in space if they didnt go to the moon, kinda hard to fake.

Creators:
I have a combination of a few theroys, about how the right chemicals at the right time? I think that happened, but to another civilization before ours, i think they are still out there, and by chance came to earth and left behind stuff that eventually evolved into what we are today.

Viruses:
I dont think they make them intentionally, and if they did, why dont they have cures for all of them, and then you dont know which they do have them for. Then what if one of them evolves too fast and becomes dangerous? Well i know we have chemical and biological weapons, but that is a different story for another day.

Goverment:
I dont think that is true, however, the reason you dont hear of anyone being sick or dieing from common dieses(sp?) is because they have vacines for them, the GOV might have given all of them to them to keep the country going, but they might be in short suppliy

ok, im done, i know its long, too bad!

any aditional thoughts?
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I dont think they make them intentionally, and if they did, why dont they have cures for all of them, and then you dont know which they do have them for. Then what if one of them evolves too fast and becomes dangerous? Well i know we have chemical and biological weapons, but that is a different story for another day.
Yes but that's the thing you need to think about...

They deliberately send them out and around the world to see if the world can coop with it. Forcing newer technology and further studies and further research. They are basically fucking with everyone. It's hard to believe but if you just keep thinking about it and inserting different scenarios and stuff you'll realise it's weird but possibly true.
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The lunar landing was real. I don't feel like explaining it... just take my word for it, eh?
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