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Old 05-30-2006, 09:03 PM   #21
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Sert: That is why I suggested Artificial Intelligence replace cops, and how it would compliment Tass's idea much more.
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Old 05-30-2006, 09:17 PM   #22
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First of all, let's establish, are we talking about the United States here?

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Regardless, nothing we say here makes any different... so "constitution" and "human rights" are meaningless. BESIDES... does the constitution list penalties for crimes? Is it not inhuman to kill or rape someone? Why should they be given rights that they have already abused.
Uh, I fail to see how "constitution" and "human rights" are meaningless simply because we are not actually making policy. Isn't the point of this to talk about the hypothetical advantages and disadvantages of such a method IN PRACTICE? If it's not in practice then none of your advantages matter either >_> Furthermore, no, it is not inhuman to rape or murder someone. It's just highly counterproductive in a civilized society. Nothing that anyone does should make them a pariah of the species. And what's worse is that there are tons of people convicted of crimes for which they are innocent. Are those people inhuman too?

People need to get off their high horses and realize that everyone is human, even criminals, and that in a desperate situation, EVERY ONE OF US might easily choose to commit a crime. Don't judge people, try to help them instead. I'm amazed at how people are pissing on the Declaration of Independence. Isn't America supposed to be a "free country"? wtf is this? (again I assume we're talking about America here)

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Old 05-30-2006, 09:25 PM   #23
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See: appeal process. You also have to break a few eggs to make a good omelet, or so the expression goes.

And, as I said... the constitution says nothing of punishment. So what makes my suggested punishment wrong and yours right? No where did I say to get rid of the legal system that convicts criminals.
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Old 05-30-2006, 09:42 PM   #24
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There's another far more famous expression that goes "Love thy neighbor as thyself".

What I'm saying is that without leniency in the legal system you may get a decrease in crime (which, note, is a statistic innately defined by the government) but you also get an increase in chilling effects, which is simply not acceptable for a country that purports itself to be founded on principles of freedom and democracy.

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Old 05-30-2006, 10:24 PM   #25
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Obviously it will never happen in the USA. It already is in place in other countries (as stated). The whole point is that WOULD this be a better way to have things, not WILL it be put into place.
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:32 PM   #26
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True, I'm arguing under the assumption that the concept of individual freedom is sacrosanct. This is not always the case. For example - Singapore, where I'll be moving this fall. Weird stuff o.o
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:32 PM   #27
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So we just beat the living snot out of anyone who commits a crime? From teenage music downloaders to assaults by people who grew up in an abusive home and don't know any better? From underage drinkers to rapists?

You act like prison is a cakewalk. Do me a favor and go out and rent the movie "Scared Straight" and tell me if you think that prison is easy.
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