Old 01-1-2006, 07:51 AM   #21
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People Now are just becoming like drones and shutting off their Minds. If something that seems unreal to people is announced, everyone will quickly shut off their minds and says it is impossible. But then when whatever happens, everyone is just saying Wow! I never thought they could do it!
Example 1:Hurricane Katrina: Bush was alerted back in 2001 that a Hurricane Like Katrina would hit New Orleans. He didn't Believe them, therfore when we got slammed by katrina in september, he was surprised so much he failed to get people their quickly
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Old 01-1-2006, 11:35 AM   #22
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I believe that we are degrading because we are all so damn lazy. If we weren't so lazy we could probably have flying cars right now. And the school deal with the IQ tests. There is this girl in all of the accelerated classes, along with me, who the stupidest person I have ever met. And she cheats off of people to get good grades. She has this really smart kid, smarter than me, do all of her homework in exchange for some food at lunch. What a freaking idiot. Meh, when I passed that IQ test to get into accelerated classes, I was like 5. I believe that since we humans are sentient beings, we all have the same ability to utilize our brain. The "stupid" or SPEDS, just dont utilize their brains functions properly. Anyways, about SPEDS, In my school the get to sit there, play video games, eat, and watch TV, when us NORMAL students are taking some hard ass test. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU BE GOING EASY ON THEM. YOU WOULD THINK TO GO HARDER JUST SO THEY DO GET SMARTER. Humans are sofa king retarded. I am going to enjoy the mass genocide of the human race. I think many of you here will too. Hurray 2012!

Back to the topic......
Its like the Grim Reaper show says on Newgrounds, eventually we will achieve perfect society, not in our life time, but then It will be too late. There will be no more animals that aren't in captivity, the aliens would have us for bed slaves, schools would just be a place to go for 8 hours and have fun, and then comes the Apocolypse. Since we are so perfect we would have a million clones of the President incase one dies. And then they will realize what humanity had done to Mother Earth and Russia, and we will all go to hell to server 2 eternities of Damnation. The human race is screwed.

EDIT: Now we are really screwed
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Standardized tests, standardized books, standardized industry, standardized living.

School is like the military, from the beginning they keep you busy. They give you a task, tell you how to do it, tell you when to do it, and tell you to do it. There is no room for intellectual development and creativity is stifled. They teach you how to be "good members of society," tell you not to question things. You are basically sheep in training until you either:

1. Realize it's all a ploy to make you all the same
2. Accept your fate

There are ways to play the system however. These people usually succeed and go on to challenge the system.

Teachers are the system. Teachers are part of business. They teach the same old non-offensive standardized material.

Take columbus for example. At an early age you are taught that this was a good man that discovered America. Obviously wrong if you know anything.

Textbooks too, they print their text with the least offensive, least challenging materials in order to get them approved faster/sold faster/accepted more widely.

It's all a system.

P.S.- You are a moron to blame that on the president. It was the city's responsibility to responsibly use their budget or request more of a budget from the state and the government to fix such a problem. Plus New Orleans has known of the potential problem for years before Bush was ever president, so stop spitting out what you hear your mommy and daddy talk about and get your own opinion you retarded twat.

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People Now are just becoming like drones and shutting off their Minds. If something that seems unreal to people is announced, everyone will quickly shut off their minds and says it is impossible. But then when whatever happens, everyone is just saying Wow! I never thought they could do it!
Example 1:Hurricane Katrina: Bush was alerted back in 2001 that a Hurricane Like Katrina would hit New Orleans. He didn't Believe them, therfore when we got slammed by katrina in september, he was surprised so much he failed to get people their quickly
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Righty... this sounds awfully like the lies to children that Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen were talking about...

Apparently, in the "Science of Discworld" I, II, and III, they mentioned that sometimes humans teach others knowledge that is simplified into a manner so that they don't confuse them. Hence the name, because we usually tell children a part of the fact, but never the whole thing in fear of totally confusing them. So we change the facts around slightly to make it sound right. In fact, a lot of the information you hear is probably lies to children.

Mind you, I can't think of any off the top of my head... read the Science of Discworld... it saves me so much time.
I feel so slow now... =(
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It's dreaming of the impossible that makes the impossible possible. The idea of a Space Elevator, an elevator stretching from the earth to a space station, or the moon seems very farfetched and very impossible. Is it though? It could be achieved. I'm sure the idea of a car seemed impossible to our primape age.

Or, Like I've read before somewhere around here. We could go down undersea. Where much of our rescources remain. Water, plants, and as a dangerous factor; unknown animals. Only problem is pressure, except that's not unsolvable. So either way. We have many options.

Think of that though, maybe in time we will have cities like New York and Moscow on the moon. "So, where do you work Phil?" "Oh I work on in the Future Tech Department. On the Moon!"

You could wake up every morning, hop onto an elevator.....and whoosh through space. Silly, but awesome if it became a reality.
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Recently in a wired magazine, I saw a think about LOSING IQ points.

One of the things was drop out of high school. You started with 100 IQ Points.
First of all, techinically, with IQ, it should not really be learned, so that idea of losing an IQ point that was is rediculous. Then, if that is true, why do you start with 100. If you started with 100, wouldn't going to high shcool make you go over 100? So shouldn't most of our literate society be above average?

Good job inconsistancy.
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Recently in a wired magazine, I saw a think about LOSING IQ points.

One of the things was drop out of high school. You started with 100 IQ Points.
First of all, techinically, with IQ, it should not really be learned, so that idea of losing an IQ point that was is rediculous. Then, if that is true, why do you start with 100. If you started with 100, wouldn't going to high shcool make you go over 100? So shouldn't most of our literate society be above average?

Good job inconsistancy.
Lol. Schooling does make your IQ go up *gasp*. It's not as genetic as we would like to think. As I recall the average person gains 2-3 IQ points for each year of schooling! Why do you think the japanese and koreans average IQ's around 110?

The whole "flynn" effect which has caused some controversy isn't that complicated of an issue in my eyes. We arn't that much smarter. We're better at taking the flawed IQ test due to environmental factors. I do think the test is a good predictor of mental ability to a point. It predicts the lower end of the spectra better than the higher end. There is no real data to support the fact IQ's of over 115-130 mean anything as the tests were not designed to judge people above that area. Some people have *tried* to develop super hard IQ tests to measure high intelligence, but they are just as flawed.
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Recently in a wired magazine, I saw a think about LOSING IQ points.

One of the things was drop out of high school. You started with 100 IQ Points.
First of all, techinically, with IQ, it should not really be learned, so that idea of losing an IQ point that was is rediculous. Then, if that is true, why do you start with 100. If you started with 100, wouldn't going to high shcool make you go over 100? So shouldn't most of our literate society be above average?

Good job inconsistancy.

..... the older you are the better you have to score on IQ tests to keep the same number. IE. at 16 you get 150? If you don't do any work in school you'll probably drop by the age of 18 even if you answer everything exactly the same.

After reading half of these posts and people side tracking people who were already side tracked off the topic I felt sorry for you all. I stopped at the post I quoted above.

As for the space lift I don't think it is possible. Media esp. Internet has been known for it's bull**** content and without delving deep into the situation (since I'm a lazy ass mf, and I couldn't careless) I wouldn't put any weight into it.

If it does happen good for you. You can sit in an elevator for a few days while you slowly climb up through the atmosphere. (Or if they decide that is too long then you could just get training from NASA and go up in the elevator pulling 20gs)

As for IQ I think it's done wrong. It should be a measurement of logic. Not inteligent. Ie. you goto school and you work hard you get smarter? But has your logic increased? Nope. I think that is static from when you are born. Logic.. hard to explain but say if you weren't given the formula for an equation and you had to figure it out, how easily you figured it out just from your own intuition would be logic (probably the best example I've seen -and done- of these are in Vector Equations).

At the moment I'm cruising through school (exept English damn you!) pretty easily without doing work. But I've always been a really quick learner. (And no I don't cheat).


PS: Just FYI I scored 158 on my IQ test >.>;.
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I personally do not believe that mankind is degrading and it is simply that the majority of people will always think the same way. The majority of people will always say what looks impossible is impossible. It is just how things are.

As for IQ, you've mentioned all kinds of reasons why it can't be adequately measured, I agree. For the Flynn Effect, another factor could be increased nutrition as an infant.

As for being able to determine your intelligence through "Working hard" I disagree with completely. Will you be less intelligent if you don't work, yes. Will you be smarter if you do, yes. Can you become a genius by setting your mind to it? No. Some people are genetically predisposed. I remember reading an article about a baroque composer who composed over 5000 fugues, yet none of them were good even though he worked very hard on composing. This proves that genius musical composition is genetic, and is obviously not just a practice thing. I believe this would be true for many things, including logic and general intelligence.

As for standardized tests, I think they are a FAR better measure than school performance but not comprehensive by any means. I used to do very well in school, but lately I have been doing very poorly. It isn't even for lack of understanding or work, I have simply been doing worse. School grades are a combination of 4 factors, in this order

Work + Memory + Intelligence + Obedience

You need to work hard in school to get good grades, simple as that. Many things in school are exercises in memory (yay mine is subpar), and having a photographic memory guarantees you good grades. Intelligence is a supplement to grades for those who are in advanced courses. Obedience and doing what the teacher wants is another thing, especially in English classes. Sometimes you have to lie about your true views for a grade on an essay, but thats how it goes.

I just hope getting grades slightly below what I normally get doesn't hurt my college prospects.

I know that they say learning is physically your brain forming links with neurons. Therefore, some people must be born with a brain that forms these links faster, or simply more links at a time. We can see this with other physical processes in our body, such as metabolism. I for example, rarely gain weight.

I think that everything is related to genetics, but people who believe genetic factors are set in stone are wrong (well obviously not gentic disorders and such, but intelligence, weight, things like that) because you CAN force your body to change.
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I made a similar idea. Don't you see how racism is starting up again? I'm sorry, it's just that I have a thing about racism. In the past, the constant "whites and blacks" were a problem, but it is fixed. But now, its "all against Asians", and it seems the government is not checking up on it. In most Southern schools, racism is a big thing, for, not to be racist myself, Mexicans are going like ching-ching and Jackie Chan on us Asians. What did Asians do wrong? What we did was work hard and build parts for video games, HDTVS, and stuff like that. Asians are leaders of Nintendo and Sony, which is big stuff in the gaming industry. Many of us in America become rich and smart so that we can go to Ivy-League colleges (my parents are trying to send me to MIT for summer school). Tihs is leads me up to the point, it seems that over the past years, in the beginning, the Southern USA didn't follow the creed "All men were created equal." And over the years they changed that. Now, people in the Southern USA are falling back to the same problem, but with a different target. Can we just all shut the **** up and just follow the creed "All men were created equal"?
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''Can you become a genius by setting your mind to it? No.''

HAH. False.

If you take a real good look at most genius in the world, these people have pushed themselves to the absolute limit of sanity before acheiving what they believe in.

I agree, some people are born superior to others, obviously. Some people have more talent and abilities than other people; it's an undeniable fact. However, genius is rarely something that just happens. People that do something truely great in this world dedicate their lives to doing it. Mozart didn't just sit down and write 500 masterpieces. He was ****ing beaten as a child and practiced day in and day out until he was absolutely flawless. It would have NEVER happened if he didn't put his mind to it. A self fullfilling prophecy; something I strongly believe in.

It's pretty amazing what the mind can do if you really do truely put your mind to it. It helps to have a mental advantage over other people, and how you were raised is a big KEY factor too...but you ultimately control your destiny. People talk about how famous composers can hear what they write in his head before he wrote it. A gift? I couldn't hear anything until I started music lessons. Now I write my own music and can indeed, hear what I what to play in my head. It doesn't just come to you. You bring it out of yourself.

Gelsamel...lol. You would get up into space just as fast as the space shuttle with the elevator. You wouldn't be standing like a traditional elevator. G-force is created by acceleration. Contrary to popular belief - you only experience about 4 g's on the space shuttle; the equilivant of the launch on the hulk roller coaster in orlando flordia.

It's not really a question of wether it is possible or not...because it is possible. The real question is will there be enough funding and such put into it. It would be beneficial - that way all real launches could be from the moon which...well, if you know anything about the cost of launching something into space, it would cut it down dramatically.


"I personally do not believe that mankind is degrading and it is simply that the majority of people will always think the same way. The majority of people will always say what looks impossible is impossible. It is just how things are."

Just because it's the way things are doesn't mean it's not degrading. Geeze...back in the day it wasn't out of the normal to hang people under accusations for being a witch. It's official - man kind is degrading and probably always will be...atleast on some scale.

PS: it's official that the SAT is a piece of ****. It just is a crock of ass.
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I just noticed this thread and read Benny's post. Benny, you're at that formative phase in life with an interesting duality: You're at the point where you feel that you're above society, but that age is the same time where societal-minded thinking and group-need starts to develop. Your new experiences and changed mental outlook are causing you to feel this way, but really, you'll grow out of it:

Mankind isn't any different, your perception is just changing. Congratulations, you're on the path to wisdom like everyone else. In a few years you'll become aware of how sparse, arbitrary, and dalliant your perception is and learn to laugh at things like this.

I figured Reach would be smart enough to not get so riled up over this though
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I remember a smart quote: "Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens"

I think intelligence isn't as much of an ideal amount or number, but more as a rate at which one gains knowledge. The more intelligence you have just means you'll take in things faster. That doesn't mean someone is smarter than you are. Thats why people achieve great things in life. It's because they work hard and that overcomes intelligence.

Mindset leads to working harder, working harder leads to better results. that's confidence.

Mindset leads to arrogance, arrogance leads to lazyness and failure.
that's overconfidence.

What i like best though is that, all people are created different, and people are always going to be people. No one is ever more right than the other. People just have different opinions, and those opinions are either more widely or less accepted by society.
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Oh, and I think people say things are impossible is because they're used to that kind of reality. People have abandoned those cinderella movies and other disney movies, where there are always happy endings.

More accepted genres are those of reality: depicting that the world really is f*cked up, and that you don't get everything you want. Cuz, thats the way most of the world is. People try to hide it, but its there. There are people starving every day. Those pair of jeans your wearing are made for like half a cent in Taiwan or India, and sold for 12 dollars here in america. Because of this kind of stuff, people are used to bad news, people are used to put downs. It's a habit, so its hard to accept news that deviates from what they're used to hearing. Like if you heard you just won a million dollars, wouldn't you be skeptical?
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''Can you become a genius by setting your mind to it? No.''

HAH. False.

If you take a real good look at most genius in the world, these people have pushed themselves to the absolute limit of sanity before acheiving what they believe in.

I agree, some people are born superior to others, obviously. Some people have more talent and abilities than other people; it's an undeniable fact. However, genius is rarely something that just happens. People that do something truely great in this world dedicate their lives to doing it. Mozart didn't just sit down and write 500 masterpieces. He was ****ing beaten as a child and practiced day in and day out until he was absolutely flawless. It would have NEVER happened if he didn't put his mind to it. A self fullfilling prophecy; something I strongly believe in.
I think you've totally missed his point there. He means that if you don't have the natural skill in you to become a genius then you can't become one no matter how much you try. He didn't say that if you have to natural skill to become a genius then you don't have to work at all.

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Gelsamel...lol. You would get up into space just as fast as the space shuttle with the elevator. You wouldn't be standing like a traditional elevator.
I didn't say it would be either way.

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No ****.

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Contrary to popular belief - you only experience about 4 g's on the space shuttle; the equilivant of the launch on the hulk roller coaster in orlando flordia.
Actually it's about 6gs. I've never been on a hulk roller coaster - but most roller coasters only go to about 3g. But considering it's "The Hulk" rollercoaster I would expect it to be a bit faster.

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It's not really a question of wether it is possible or not...because it is possible. The real question is will there be enough funding and such put into it. It would be beneficial - that way all real launches could be from the moon which...well, if you know anything about the cost of launching something into space, it would cut it down dramatically.
Ah but it is a question about whether it is possible. There are still many unanswered questions. Like collisions? How are they going to get it up there? Think about weather or corrosion? What about terrorism? And for those who've done advanced physics ever though about vibrational harmonics

Btw; Just food for Thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ says

"An intelligence quotient or IQ is a score derived from a set of standardized tests developed to measure a person's cognitive abilities ("intelligence") in relation to their age group. An IQ test does not measure intelligence the way a ruler measures height (absolutely), but rather the way a race measures speed (relatively)."

Actually after reading the article a bit more it seems like alot of people in this thread have just been requoting it as their own words. Well at least the first half of the thread where I read upto xD.

Oh well this is getting extremely boring now.

Cya later.

~Gelsamel

Edit: Actually on a last note; Yes it is possible, in a perfect world. But in a perfect world you ignore friction. In a perfect world all mechanical collisions are local. Etc. Otherwise no, not untill they come up with ways to circumvent the imperfections.

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Ok, where the hell is the quick quote button?????

''I didn't say it would be either way.''

Ok

"As for the space lift I don't think it is possible. Media esp. Internet has been known for it's bull**** content and without delving deep into the situation (since I'm a lazy ass mf, and I couldn't careless) I wouldn't put any weight into it.

If it does happen good for you. You can sit in an elevator for a few days while you slowly climb up through the atmosphere. (Or if they decide that is too long then you could just get training from NASA and go up in the elevator pulling 20gs"

You did say it. Indirectly, since it's obvious it's not like a building elevator. oh...you were exaggerating. Doesn't change the fact you said it. XD

And I'm not getting riled up over anything ap. I just like the discussion. I also put in " 's anything I directly ripped (that big thing).


Oh and I didn't miss the point. It doesn't matter either way. Regardless of your ability you CAN bring genius out of you. It's in everyone. You just don't have it or you don't. Everyone has it to various degrees in various areas. The hard part is really bringing it out, and for many they never get a chance (poor upbringing ect.) I will not deny the fact that genetics will determine the degree of your genius, since that is fact.



And for the last thought...there are some things on wikipedia on those space elevator issues I just looked up. Or I assume you simply looked up those problems there. I'll paste them here so people can read them.

Corrosion
Corrosion is a major risk to any thinly built tether (which most designs call for). In the upper atmosphere, atomic oxygen steadily eats away at most materials. A tether will consequently need to either be made from a corrosion-resistant material or have a corrosion-resistant coating, adding to weight. Gold and platinum have been shown to be practically immune to atomic oxygen; several far more common materials such as aluminum are damaged very slowly and could be repaired as needed.


Weather
In the atmosphere, the risk factors of wind and lightning come into play. The basic mitigation is location. As long as the tether's anchor remains within two degrees of the equator, it will remain in the quiet zone between the Earth's Hadley cells, where there is relatively little violent weather. Remaining storms could be avoided by moving a floating anchor platform. The lightning risk can be minimized by using a nonconductive fiber with a water-resistant coating to help prevent a conductive buildup from forming. The wind risk can be minimized by use of a fiber with a small cross-sectional area that can rotate with the wind to reduce resistance. Ice forming on the cable also presents a potential problem. It could add significantly to the cable's weight and affect the passage of elevator cars. Also, ice falling from the cable could damage elevator cars or possibly the cable itself.

One reasonably recent result is that high wind speeds can flatten the elevator cable horizontally across the surface of the Earth perhaps a hundred kilometers. Surprisingly, the stress on the cable is not significantly increased (since the elevator is tens of thousands of kilometers long the percentage increase is tiny) and no major damage is predicted.

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Sabotage
Sabotage is a relatively unquantifiable problem. A space elevator might prove an attractive target for a terrorist or other politically motivated attack. Concern over sabotage may have an effect on location, adding the constraint of avoiding unstable territories to the existing requirement of an equatorial site.


Vibrational harmonics
A final risk of structural failure comes from the possibility of vibrational harmonics within the cable. Like the shorter and more familiar strings of stringed musical instruments, the cable of a space elevator has a natural resonant frequency. If the cable is excited at this frequency, for example by the travel of elevators up and down it, the vibrational energy could build up to dangerous levels and exceed the cable's tensile strength. This can be avoided by the use of suitable damping systems within the cable, and by scheduling travel up and down the cable keeping its resonant frequency in mind. It may even be possible to do damping against Earth's magnetosphere.

A perfect world now will not be the same as a perfect world in the future ;o (hopefully XD)

I would assume the easiest way to avoid terrorism would be isolation (area 51 type deal) without clearance. Anything entering without clearance is shot down.
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