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Old 02-19-2006, 03:52 AM   #1
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do u think the government has a cure for aids but isnt giving it out.i do.
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Old 02-19-2006, 09:35 AM   #2
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Do I think you are retarded? Yes I do.
Do you even understand how hard it would be to make a cure for aids? Aids is a virus, and there has never been a cure for a virus, not even the common cold.
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Old 02-19-2006, 01:15 PM   #3
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Interestingly enough there are some studies currently being conducted that have successfully killed HIV cells in rats without doing damage to the rats themselves.

The information isn't well known because the study hasn't been concluded and had the research written up and published.
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silly benny... did you forget polio? What about smallpox?

But no... I don't think there is a cure for AIDS that the government knows about and isn't releasing.
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There would be no reason not to release it. Think of how much money you could make? The only reason I would see is if they "diverted" funds for Aids research into something else (because they had the cure)

But I still think more money could be made if the cure was found.
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Heh, this reminds me of the Dave Chapelle skit where he is the president. Heh.

Well, I don't think that they have a cure. As they said, if they can't cure something like a cold, they aren't going to be able to cure a virus that directly attacks your cells and manipulates them. But, it might come in time. They cured polio and all those other things so AIDS/HIV might have a cure in the future. I think they have treatments for it.
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I, like most people in this forum, do not normally respect an argument or a point that has no evidence mentioned to back it up. Please add some before we consider you a total moron.

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the reason for them not to release the cure is because the goverment is racist and they want to kill off all the black people.
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There's no proof of that. There's plenty of proof against it though.
Where is the government racist? Where does the government try to kill of black people?
The government helps black people to an extent where they are given advantages in some places.

P.S. You suck at arguing. Please use EVIDENCE. When Q said use evidence, he did not say "Make up a reason". He said use Evidence.
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were do they get advantages.look at huricane katrina.if there was a black person on the street they were looting but if u were white u were helping ur family.look how the cops treat black people.
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Too bad that the photographs and captions that started the controversy you're talking about were taken by two different photographers and captioned by two different media services, therefore it's damn farfetched to say that the words were specially chosen to imply racism, so gj researching that.

Of course, even if this was proven true, it still wouldn't explain how the government is witholding a cure for AIDS to kill all the black people.

By the way, it took me one minute to find that info through google.

ps this topic is awesome
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Where did race come from? Last I checked, AIDS had an effect on more than just Black people. If you say it was created to destroy GAY people, well, that'd actually make some sense. They can trace the roots of AIDS back to a bisexual man, IIRC, and before hand, it was pretty much found in the homosexual community only.

Are you black yourself, H03? I'm merely curious.
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Let's take a more-serious-than-should-be-possible look at the possible motives for withholding the hypothetical AIDS vaccine, and refute them on a contemporary logical level, i. e. without looking to any sort of precedent, largely because I'm too lazy to look up history, and also because you guys have already covered some of it anyway (This, all under the assumption that the government is evil, becuase if "they" "weren't", then any known AIDS vaccine would be released because it would save millions of lives).

1. Racism (withholding an AIDS vaccine would kill off the minorities): I'm not going to bother to explain this argument further, I'll just go ahead and refute it. AIDS doesn't affect only minorities; I won't bother to find statistics, but I can see no reason why it would cause deaths even disproportionately in minorities such as blacks. If you think for some reason that black people are more promiscuous or less concerned with use of protection, than you're just not well-versed in society.

2. Classism (This is the racism argument, sans the presumption that the lower class is all blacks): The idea here is that poor people are more affected by AIDS, perhaps because they live in poorer communities with poorer sex-ed programs, or generally poorer communites that inevitably place more emphasis on social relations than on school. And by social relations, I mean lots of banging, at earlier ages, and maybe in extreme cases people can be so poor that they can't afford to keep some rubbers on hand. This is plausible, though again I won't bother to give more examples except that AIDS is a big problem in third-world countries. One might propose that, because the government is made up entirely of the elite, they would seek to eliminate as much of the lower class as possible, so as to make the concerns of their own interest group more plentiful, thereby gaining access to additional political clout within the democracy. I guess the only reason I can think of why this isn't true is that, even though it may have a greater effect upon the lower classes, the upper class can't completely escape AIDS, and therefore they would release any vaccine as soon as possible out of pure self-preservation. Somebody come up with something better.

3. Cost (the cost of bringing a vaccine to market prevents release, so they stopped development): There are a lot of expenses in the development of a vaccine. Assuming that the hypothetical AIDS vaccine is discovered but only in, say, the stages of animal testing, then you still have the obstacle of getting FDA clearance for human clinical trials, and then later having the FDA clear that. There are so many reasons why this is wrong, here are a couple: First, the government isn't what develops vaccines, private corporations do that. The government wouldn't pour its resources into secretly researching and developing a vaccine that it planned to withhold from the public, that would be a retarded allocation of a large chunk of budget. Second, hypothetical case that the government sponsored the vaccine once research progressed to the point of plausibility and made it top-secret, they would still have released it out of self-preservation. (Perhaps the only argument that can't be refuted with the self-preservation argument is the conspiracy theory. This is the idea that the government developed the vaccine and only gave it to trusted inner-circle members of the federal government.)

4. Greed (The US government doesn't like to share): Pretty much, if we assume that the US govt is evil, then we can assume it's greedy. If it let the people know of the existence of an AIDS vaccine, they would find a way to get it, or at least be outraged, so it keeps the people in the dark. If the people of the US got the vaccine, it would instantly become available to other countries. So in order to keep its Precious to itself, it has to keep the vaccine a secret. This is wrong not only because keeping it secret would mean nobody else knows or cares about your superiority, but also because in fact, the government would benefit greatly from the release of an AIDS vaccine. There is an incredible market for an AIDS vaccine both in the United States and elsewhere, so a vaccine would instantly become an incredibly hot product. The high demand and low production capacity would mean an incredible price, yet anyone with enough money would buy it, because it's such a common and such a deadly disease. So any possible greed for having a vaccine would be greatly outweighed by the greed for the incedible influx of money into the US, into our economy, and into the pockets of the government, from taxes and/or direct sales.

Again, I'm not gonna find you any evidence, I'm working off of pure logic here. Feel free to poke holes in my concepts for the sake of debate.
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hey monkeyfoo r u russian
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hey monkeyfoo r u russian
Wow, what a well-informed and valid argument. Bonus hypocrisy points for saying such a thing after complaining about racism.
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wat r u talking about tokzic he had somthing written in russina under his post so i wanted to know if he is russian cu si am
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I have russian friends, and I might take russian as a language next year just to learn the cyrillic alphabet, but alas, I don't know russian. I know a few phrases and a few words in russian, but I don't know how to write them in russian. Maybe you know what I'm trying to say if I just spell it phonetically: Ya galodni dlya siski. Galodni galodni bigimoti. Siski siski siski. That's all I can say. And pyccknñ (close enough). I used a translator for the stuff in my sig, I dunno if it translated correctly.

But enough of this! AIDS AIDS AIDS! Black people have aids!
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Man, this is funnier than some of the threads that get started over at debatepolitics.com XD

Anyway, the government isn't hiding a cure from the public, silly fool. They don't have a cure. The governmnet created AIDS to get rid of all the black people.

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Yeah, this is pretty stupid. I'm sure if the government had a cure, they'd be making a lot of money off it. Not like taxes would be cut no matter how much money they made, greedy little politicians.
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4. Greed (The US government doesn't like to share): Pretty much, if we assume that the US govt is evil, then we can assume it's greedy. If it let the people know of the existence of an AIDS vaccine, they would find a way to get it, or at least be outraged, so it keeps the people in the dark. If the people of the US got the vaccine, it would instantly become available to other countries. So in order to keep its Precious to itself, it has to keep the vaccine a secret. This is wrong not only because keeping it secret would mean nobody else knows or cares about your superiority, but also because in fact, the government would benefit greatly from the release of an AIDS vaccine. There is an incredible market for an AIDS vaccine both in the United States and elsewhere, so a vaccine would instantly become an incredibly hot product. The high demand and low production capacity would mean an incredible price, yet anyone with enough money would buy it, because it's such a common and such a deadly disease. So any possible greed for having a vaccine would be greatly outweighed by the greed for the incedible influx of money into the US, into our economy, and into the pockets of the government, from taxes and/or direct sales.
I think this really says it all. (even though I said it in not so many words)
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